Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:00:42 PM
Can anyone find the past threads here of similar claims made against a semi-D&D-celebrities at GenCon, PaizoCon, Dragonsfoot, GaryCon, etc.?

GenCon, Origins and GaryCon have no problems allowing convicted pedophiles and rapists attending their conventions.
They do not do any background checks on attendees whatsoever.  Not even a search on the National Sex Offender Public website.
However I am banned from GenCon, Origins and GaryCon for a far far worse offense. /sarc
There are threads about it here.

Quote from: DocJones on August 13, 2022, 12:35:16 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:00:42 PM
Can anyone find the past threads here of similar claims made against a semi-D&D-celebrities at GenCon, PaizoCon, Dragonsfoot, GaryCon, etc.?

GenCon, Origins and GaryCon have no problems allowing convicted pedophiles and rapists attending their conventions.
They do not do any background checks on attendees whatsoever.  Not even a search on the National Sex Offender Public website.
However I am banned from GenCon, Origins and GaryCon for a far far worse offense. /sarc
There are threads about it here.

Running background checks on people attending a convention, rather than participating as guests of honor, would be way too burdensome on a business. I've never been involved with running a gaming convention but I was at least in the orbit of someone running a comic convention and there would be no way to reasonably run background checks on attendees. It's not that you'd have "no problem" with letting people with convictions attend, it's that there's no practical way to screen for that in just attendees.

I guess if someone were reported in advance of the convention to be a convict, you could look into it then and ban someone. But just screen everyone? Not a practical requirement. It's not like there is a commonly available, "Never convicted of being a podophile or rapist" card you can check at the door.

Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:40:34 PM
I guess if someone were reported in advance of the convention to be a convict, you could look into it then and ban someone. But just screen everyone? Not a practical requirement. It's not like there is a commonly available, "Never convicted of being a podophile or rapist" card you can check at the door.

heh, I had a roommate for one of the GenCons that I volunteered for that never showed up.

Apparently he had an arrest warrant out on him if he crossed the border, but despite that... he crossed the border. So he was detained by police and wouldn't be showing up.

But dayum, it was one of those "Uh, what did I agree to?" when you realize you agreed to share a room with three strangers. So, yeah, might be tough to do a background check, but on the other hand, it made me think "You know what, I can probably afford my own hotel room next year."

Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:40:34 PM

Quote from: DocJones on August 13, 2022, 12:35:16 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:00:42 PM
Can anyone find the past threads here of similar claims made against a semi-D&D-celebrities at GenCon, PaizoCon, Dragonsfoot, GaryCon, etc.?

GenCon, Origins and GaryCon have no problems allowing convicted pedophiles and rapists attending their conventions.
They do not do any background checks on attendees whatsoever.  Not even a search on the National Sex Offender Public website.
However I am banned from GenCon, Origins and GaryCon for a far far worse offense. /sarc
There are threads about it here.

Running background checks on people attending a convention, rather than participating as guests of honor, would be way too burdensome on a business. I've never been involved with running a gaming convention but I was at least in the orbit of someone running a comic convention and there would be no way to reasonably run background checks on attendees. It's not that you'd have "no problem" with letting people with convictions attend, it's that there's no practical way to screen for that in just attendees.

I guess if someone were reported in advance of the convention to be a convict, you could look into it then and ban someone. But just screen everyone? Not a practical requirement. It's not like there is a commonly available, "Never convicted of being a podophile or rapist" card you can check at the door.

I've had to run criminal background checks on potential employees. It's neither fast nor cheap, and that's why it's typically not done until after a good first (sometimes second) interview. Trying to run checks on convention attendees would be madness.

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 13, 2022, 12:50:48 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on August 13, 2022, 12:40:34 PM
I guess if someone were reported in advance of the convention to be a convict, you could look into it then and ban someone. But just screen everyone? Not a practical requirement. It's not like there is a commonly available, "Never convicted of being a podophile or rapist" card you can check at the door.

heh, I had a roommate for one of the GenCons that I volunteered for that never showed up.

Apparently he had an arrest warrant out on him if he crossed the border, but despite that... he crossed the border. So he was detained by police and wouldn't be showing up.

But dayum, it was one of those "Uh, what did I agree to?" when you realize you agreed to share a room with three strangers. So, yeah, might be tough to do a background check, but on the other hand, it made me think "You know what, I can probably afford my own hotel room next year."

Or you can do a quick cost/benefit analysis and then just choose not to go. That is the route that I have chosen. GenCon has demonstrated that they do not like my kind (and will not provide a worthwhile environment for the price), so I feel no need to give them money.

Quote from: HappyDaze on August 13, 2022, 12:51:42 PM
I've had to run criminal background checks on potential employees. It's neither fast nor cheap, and that's why it's typically not done until after a good first (sometimes second) interview. Trying to run checks on convention attendees would be madness.

Nah, it takes like 20 seconds and no charge to query the NSOPW. 
Hell they could do it anytime after ordering and before printing the badge or check it on arrival when their staff checks whether your other papers are in order.
WoTC says the are doing background checks on judges since that Jeremy Hambly exposed the MtG pedo judges.
I highly suspect that's why GenCon really banned him when he was the victim of an attack offsite two years later. 

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2022, 12:05:53 PM

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...

Well hang on now, because it's not clear to me either, which is the real situation. There's two very different scenarios.
Its clear that the two people involved already knew each other, had worked together before, were both invited in some way to be there by GENCON and were both put in the same hotel room.
But which of the two is the case:
1) GENCON required that volunteers or whatever share hotel rooms, and these two people who already knew each other both CHOSE to share a room together?

or

2) GENCON requires that volunteers share hotel rooms, and these two people were ASSIGNED to share a room together, and both just happened to know each other?


Because in fact those are two very different scenarios as per GENCON's policy/responsibility.

Quote from: jeff37923 on August 13, 2022, 04:18:00 PM

Or you can do a quick cost/benefit analysis and then just choose not to go. That is the route that I have chosen. GenCon has demonstrated that they do not like my kind (and will not provide a worthwhile environment for the price), so I feel no need to give them money.

In my case I have only been able to 'afford' it the last 4 or 5 times I went because a friend lets me stay in her room. There are also 3 or 4 other friends of hers sharing the room(s) - but I've grown to trust them. The small irony is that she and I first met when we were both in costume way back in 2000, and for three years we had no idea what each other looked like as a 'Human'.

If I didn't have that option of an almost free room space and roommates I trust - then I would not go.

- Ed C.

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 12, 2022, 07:23:32 PM


As for sincerity, yes, I do believe that trans women are not statistically more likely than others to be attackers, but it's kind of irrelevant at this point. I could give a number of stats and try and make that argument, but I haven't and won't try.  (And if it seems like I have, I apologize. I know better, it's not going to convince anyone so... I'll try and avoid it.)

I'm curious... do you think that men are statistically more likely to commit sexual assault than women are?

Quote from: FingerRod on August 13, 2022, 10:17:16 AM


And Pundit very clearly said that talking about hypocracy was off-topic for this thread. Here are three times, from different posts, you claimed the site was being hypocritical:

What I stated was about "leftist sexual assault hypocrisy in general". What I do NOT want this thread to turn into is a general discussion, as it was threatening to become earlier on, about all the long list of leftist celebrities and political figures etc who assaulted women, often after making woke statements, etc etc.

The topic is specifically about the Sexual Assault at GENCON. I don't want it splitting off to talk about other cases or about "how bad leftists suck" in general or something like that.

I haven't found that hoshisabi has broken that rule yet, though some of his bringing up other examples of men assaulting women might, if they had become a topic of themselves, have done so, but he was bringing those up as a specific example in his argument about the GENCON assault now. So it's well within bounds.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 13, 2022, 06:50:12 PM
I'm curious... do you think that men are statistically more likely to commit sexual assault than women are?

Yes, however, I did make a point of saying "I don't wish to try and convince anyone of it." Statistics rarely convince anyone, you can always slice and dice a statistic to say what you want.

Honestly, you made the main point I was trying to make a few posts ago, we don't yet know if GenCon was the source of them having to room together or if this was something that they agreed to ahead of time.

My thought is that it's far more a prevention of problems to not force strangers to bunk together than anything to do with gender identity.

Heck, last time I was given a free room for being a DM at GenCon I was expected to not just share the room, but also a bed.  (two beds, four occupants, and one of the beds was actually a pull out couch.)

Luckily two of my roommates didn't show and I knew the other. So I was fine. But, one of my roommates couldn't make it because he had been arrested.

That was one of those moments where I wondered if perhaps sharing the room blindly with someone else isn't a bit of an issue.

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 13, 2022, 06:58:35 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 13, 2022, 06:50:12 PM
I'm curious... do you think that men are statistically more likely to commit sexual assault than women are?

Yes, however, I did make a point of saying "I don't wish to try and convince anyone of it." Statistics rarely convince anyone, you can always slice and dice a statistic to say what you want.

Honestly, you made the main point I was trying to make a few posts ago, we don't yet know if GenCon was the source of them having to room together or if this was something that they agreed to ahead of time.

My thought is that it's far more a prevention of problems to not force strangers to bunk together than anything to do with gender identity.

Heck, last time I was given a free room I was expected to not just share the room, but also a bed.  (two beds, four occupants, and one of the beds was actually a pull out couch.)

Luckily two of my roommates didn't show and I knew the other. So I was fine. But, one of my roommates couldn't make it because he had been arrested.

That was one of those moments where I wondered if perhaps sharing the room blindly with someone else isn't a bit of an issue.

Ok, but you do believe there are statistical differences. So you must also believe that statistics matter to some degree.
Here's a curious statistic for you, which has been noted in multiple studies; for some reason, the number of cases of women charged with sexual crimes has been going up over the last few years. Why would that be?  All of a sudden, these last few years?

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 13, 2022, 07:05:50 PM
Ok, but you do believe there are statistical differences. So you must also believe that statistics matter to some degree.
Here's a curious statistic for you, which has been noted in multiple studies; for some reason, the number of cases of women charged with sexual crimes has been going up over the last few years. Why would that be?  All of a sudden, these last few years?

I'm sure you're going to insinuate a reason that I will disagree with, but I also think we'd be veering off-topic if I presented a counter-argument and I'd rather not do that, correct?

Quote from: SHARK on August 13, 2022, 11:35:27 AM
This seems to be a very clear case of a man sexually harassing a woman, perhaps even sexual assault. He acted horribly towards this woman. As DocJones keenly observed, as per Gen Con's usual response to incidents such as this, why didn't Gen Con immediately ban him from the convention, and release a public statement about how deplorable and terrible the man is?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

It's a trans person, so gen con is probably trying to figure out how to approach this. Wokists eating themselves. They hit on a situation where they have to see who is more of a victim. I mean, they need to check their charts about who is most oppressed. I think, in a way, they're in a jam.

Quote from: RPGPundit on August 13, 2022, 05:41:48 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2022, 12:05:53 PM

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...

Well hang on now, because it's not clear to me either, which is the real situation. There's two very different scenarios.
Its clear that the two people involved already knew each other, had worked together before, were both invited in some way to be there by GENCON and were both put in the same hotel room.
But which of the two is the case:
1) GENCON required that volunteers or whatever share hotel rooms, and these two people who already knew each other both CHOSE to share a room together?

or

2) GENCON requires that volunteers share hotel rooms, and these two people were ASSIGNED to share a room together, and both just happened to know each other?


Because in fact those are two very different scenarios as per GENCON's policy/responsibility.

From what I understood the rooms were assigned by GenCon. If they REQUIRE the room sharing is beyond what I know and what was shared about this issue.

I don't KNOW which one of those is true, have you read the link? Can you elucidate from that what case it was?