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GenCon enables Sexual ass**lt?

Started by GeekyBugle, August 11, 2022, 06:14:32 PM

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S'mon

I see this on Google from the perpetrator - account now deleted:

Dais🌼 (@AWiseArtist) · Twitter
https://twitter.com/AWiseArtist
I'm sorry, I messed up, made people uncomfortable, and behaved poorly.

I centered the situation on myself when I genuinely hurt people. I'm stepping away from Twitter and getting professional help.

I'm genuinely sorry for what happened.
Twitter · 3 days ago

wmarshal

Quote from: S'mon on August 12, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on August 12, 2022, 06:44:32 AM
How did GenCon enable the alleged events? Serious question.

The enabling was by whoever put the trans in with the real woman, and whoever pressured or fooled the real woman into thinking this was safe and right. I doubt that Gencon did anything.
She fooled herself with Woke "thinking". Doesn't excuse the trans that assaulted her, but unless she leaves the Woke cult there's a decent chance it'll happen to her again, unfortunately.

GhostNinja

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 11, 2022, 06:14:32 PM
I was told that GenCon was run by very Progressive people and it was a SafeSpace and for it to be so, people to the right of Mao had to be excluded so to make it more Inclusive! I'm sorry for the victim, I fear this will keep on happening until the WokeCult is expelled.

I went to GenCon in 2010 and while I had fun, I thought it was overpriced and overrated.  For me I could see everything I wanted to see in a day, though I was there Late Thursday Night until Sunday.

Sounds like it's really gone down hill since then.
Ghostninja

Skullking

Quote from: S'mon on August 12, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on August 12, 2022, 06:44:32 AM
How did GenCon enable the alleged events? Serious question.

The enabling was by whoever put the trans in with the real woman, and whoever pressured or fooled the real woman into thinking this was safe and right. I doubt that Gencon did anything.

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Quote from: S'mon on August 12, 2022, 08:03:52 AM
I see this on Google from the perpetrator - account now deleted:

Dais🌼 (@AWiseArtist) · Twitter
https://twitter.com/AWiseArtist
I'm sorry, I messed up, made people uncomfortable, and behaved poorly.

I centered the situation on myself when I genuinely hurt people. I'm stepping away from Twitter and getting professional help.

I'm genuinely sorry for what happened.
Twitter · 3 days ago


He will be back, they cannot leave their hugbox. This will be swept under the rug and everyone who spoke out against a man dressed as a woman sharing a room with a real woman will be labeled as every single *phobe and *ist under the sun.

Gencon is clearly at fault here for putting a man and a woman in the same hotel room.  This is under their watch and they deserve all the fault for it.

Then again they will issue an apology, state they are "going to do better" and next year this will happen when a transexual is put in the room with another woman and it happens again.

GC is backed into a corner as they will not, for whatever reason, put down for room share: "Are you a biological male or female?"

Other's can go share rooms together. That would be a true joy.


Also, let's not forget the SafeSpace that GC offered for BiPOC's. I would've loved to have seen a report on how empty this room was and setup for pure pandering.
NKL4Lyfe

GeekyBugle

Quote from: S'mon on August 12, 2022, 07:58:46 AM
Quote from: FingerRod on August 12, 2022, 06:44:32 AM
How did GenCon enable the alleged events? Serious question.

The enabling was by whoever put the trans in with the real woman, and whoever pressured or fooled the real woman into thinking this was safe and right. I doubt that Gencon did anything.

Well, since both were working for GenCon, guess who put them together? GenCon! Thus, by doing so SOME might say (because my lawyer tells me I must not assert anything) they enabled the situation. Furthermore, when she told some higher up they didn't call the police, expell the culprit, changed room arrangements or anything. The woman was forced to sleep in a conference room (IIRC) away from her would be rapist.

Given all of that some people MIGHT be of the OPINION that it's at least partly GenCon's fault.
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"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

hoshisabi

I never expected this site to become misandrist. Are y'all saying that only men are ever abusers, that this couldn't have happened if it were two ciswomen? Shame, you guys, men are not the only gender capable of abuse.

Or have you turned over a new leaf and want to speak out about protecting victims and ensuring consequences for abusers?

I mean, in the past we've seen unwanted physical contact by a dude in a the bar/restaurant of the hotel hosting a convention get forgiven with a simple teary "I messed up, I had too much to drink." Those folks end up on a list of publishers as "green" because, y'know, they are a-ok.

So, here, we also have a person who had too much to drink, and after the incident, the victim got a new room and the abuser is ... Well, pretty much cancelled. For a person making their living online, complete erasure from all social media is pretty much the end of a career.

If that's "not enough" then I'm looking forward to this new leaf you've turned around, where you'll be huge advocates for the women speaking out against unwanted physical contact.

(and as far as how they ended up in a room together, read the tweets you posted. They were collaborating, and had been working together online for some time, and had arranged to work together at GenCon. This was not GenCon that placed them together. I'm pretty sure that were the abuser a ciswoman, you guys wouldn't have said a peep, and the victim and everyone else involved would have felt the same, so I suspect you're inserting yourself for a reason that no one else brought up, and no one else felt was a factor.)

jeff37923

"Come to GenCon where we offer both physical and sexual abuse!"
- GenCon's new advertising slogan
"Meh."

GeekyBugle

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 12, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
I never expected this site to become misandrist. Are y'all saying that only men are ever abusers, that this couldn't have happened if it were two ciswomen? Shame, you guys, men are not the only gender capable of abuse.

Or have you turned over a new leaf and want to speak out about protecting victims and ensuring consequences for abusers?

I mean, in the past we've seen unwanted physical contact by a dude in a the bar/restaurant of the hotel hosting a convention get forgiven with a simple teary "I messed up, I had too much to drink." Those folks end up on a list of publishers as "green" because, y'know, they are a-ok.

So, here, we also have a person who had too much to drink, and after the incident, the victim got a new room and the abuser is ... Well, pretty much cancelled. For a person making their living online, complete erasure from all social media is pretty much the end of a career.

If that's "not enough" then I'm looking forward to this new leaf you've turned around, where you'll be huge advocates for the women speaking out against unwanted physical contact.

(and as far as how they ended up in a room together, read the tweets you posted. They were collaborating, and had been working together online for some time, and had arranged to work together at GenCon. This was not GenCon that placed them together. I'm pretty sure that were the abuser a ciswoman, you guys wouldn't have said a peep, and the victim and everyone else involved would have felt the same, so I suspect you're inserting yourself for a reason that no one else brought up, and no one else felt was a factor.)

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...

As for the rest of your drivel it's not relevant to the thread (except maybe the vague reference to a teary eyed guy but you would need to clarify who, where, when so we can talk about it), and what your mind reading powers tell you of me are even less relevant, here and anywhere.
Quote from: Rhedyn

Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

"During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act."

― George Orwell

S'mon

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 12, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
I never expected this site to become misandrist. Are y'all saying that only men are ever abusers, that this couldn't have happened if it were two ciswomen? Shame, you guys, men are not the only gender capable of abuse.

Or have you turned over a new leaf and want to speak out about protecting victims and ensuring consequences for abusers?

I mean, in the past we've seen unwanted physical contact by a dude in a the bar/restaurant of the hotel hosting a convention get forgiven with a simple teary "I messed up, I had too much to drink." Those folks end up on a list of publishers as "green" because, y'know, they are a-ok.

So, here, we also have a person who had too much to drink, and after the incident, the victim got a new room and the abuser is ... Well, pretty much cancelled. For a person making their living online, complete erasure from all social media is pretty much the end of a career.

If that's "not enough" then I'm looking forward to this new leaf you've turned around, where you'll be huge advocates for the women speaking out against unwanted physical contact.

(and as far as how they ended up in a room together, read the tweets you posted. They were collaborating, and had been working together online for some time, and had arranged to work together at GenCon. This was not GenCon that placed them together. I'm pretty sure that were the abuser a ciswoman, you guys wouldn't have said a peep, and the victim and everyone else involved would have felt the same, so I suspect you're inserting yourself for a reason that no one else brought up, and no one else felt was a factor.)

I think putting a woman in with a man is a lot more dangerous than putting a woman in with a woman, even a lesbian woman, yes. I'm less sure whether trans autogynephiles are more or less dangerous to women than are regular "cis' men, and going into that would probably be off topic. I certainly think the modern Left downplays the threat from trans to women, as it doesn't fit the Narrative, and this combines with the US corporate culture of rooming employees together to create a particular danger. (My spellchecker kept changing rooming to grooming, heh)

S'mon

I noticed the victim's Twitter profile describes herself as bisexual. That is probably not a good idea since it is the kind of thing that can make guys like this think they might be in with a chance if they come on to her.

THE_Leopold

Quote from: hoshisabi on August 12, 2022, 12:01:00 PM
I never expected this site to become misandrist. Are y'all saying that only men are ever abusers, that this couldn't have happened if it were two ciswomen? Shame, you guys, men are not the only gender capable of abuse.

Or have you turned over a new leaf and want to speak out about protecting victims and ensuring consequences for abusers?

I mean, in the past we've seen unwanted physical contact by a dude in a the bar/restaurant of the hotel hosting a convention get forgiven with a simple teary "I messed up, I had too much to drink." Those folks end up on a list of publishers as "green" because, y'know, they are a-ok.

So, here, we also have a person who had too much to drink, and after the incident, the victim got a new room and the abuser is ... Well, pretty much cancelled. For a person making their living online, complete erasure from all social media is pretty much the end of a career.

If that's "not enough" then I'm looking forward to this new leaf you've turned around, where you'll be huge advocates for the women speaking out against unwanted physical contact.

(and as far as how they ended up in a room together, read the tweets you posted. They were collaborating, and had been working together online for some time, and had arranged to work together at GenCon. This was not GenCon that placed them together. I'm pretty sure that were the abuser a ciswoman, you guys wouldn't have said a peep, and the victim and everyone else involved would have felt the same, so I suspect you're inserting yourself for a reason that no one else brought up, and no one else felt was a factor.)

You should post this on the gencon forums or in their twitter thread. I'm sure you'll get more of what you are seeking that way than on here for those who have absolutely little tolerance for "Bad Touch Behavior" regardless of sex .
NKL4Lyfe

hoshisabi

Quote from: GeekyBugle on August 12, 2022, 12:05:53 PM

Because working together REQUIRES you to share a room...

As for the rest of your drivel it's not relevant to the thread (except maybe the vague reference to a teary eyed guy but you would need to clarify who, where, when so we can talk about it), and what your mind reading powers tell you of me are even less relevant, here and anywhere.

Working together doesn't require it, they both were coming together for the event after working together in the past.

I've shared a room with three other men when I've gone to GenCon, I hadn't met them. If men are so rampantly abusive, and I'm sure you are aware of the fact that some men are attracted to other men, what is it about housing them with me that would have protected me from assault? Obviously this is a bit of a hyperbolic example, but it's just ...

It's just that this particular incident, you're criticizing GenCon for housing people together when they didn't have an issue with it, the abuser and victim weren't forcibly placed together out of the blue, they knew ahead of time and were in communication beforehand.

And when the incident happened, everything happened as expected. Let's save some outrage for the times where it isn't handled correctly.

As far as the "teary eyed guy" I can type "apologizes for sexual assault at gaming convention" and see at least four separate incidents that are STILL not the one I was suggesting, but it's such a common thing that ... Well, let's just say I wouldn't expect you guys to speak up for them. Heck, I even saw a brand new one I didn't know. (Weather Factory, the dude that makes the game Cultist Simulator had a few people speak out, which ... disappointing.)

But anyhow, I had several folks in mind, but the one that is most clear is the following, and since the apology is still available online, and at least Mr. Webb admitted to this much:
https://www.froggodgames.com/statement-by-bill-webb/#:~:text=Bill%20Webb%20here.,principals%20of%20Frog%20God%20Games.

While the details between multiple accounts don't entirely match up, the fact is that SOMETHING happened for which he apologized, then his company at least made sure to acknowledge the complaints, they've left the apology up all this time later, but otherwise... Everything is back to normal. They didn't face any other long term consequences.

And even despite my reputation amongst y'all for SJWness, I still buy Frog God Games books. I can accept that a CEO might be flawed, even a really flawed dude, but otherwise, at least they did what they did. So I'm not calling out for worse consequences from ya'll, I'm just saying "I really didn't think that this NEW incident would be this noteworthy."

Abuser does abuse, victim seeks remediation, gets a new room, abuser faces consequences, victim is given support by the community.  So, good news at least.

hoshisabi

Quote from: THE_Leopold on August 12, 2022, 12:26:57 PM
You should post this on the gencon forums or in their twitter thread. I'm sure you'll get more of what you are seeking that way than on here for those who have absolutely little tolerance for "Bad Touch Behavior" regardless of sex .

Nah, as far as I can tell, the gencon and twitter threads are focused on the victim getting her chance to speak out and the abuser facing consequences for what she's done.

Everything is happening as they should, as far as I can tell.

Quote from: S'mon on August 12, 2022, 12:22:59 PM
I noticed the victim's Twitter profile describes herself as bisexual. That is probably not a good idea since it is the kind of thing that can make guys like this think they might be in with a chance if they come on to her.

As far as that, or the mention about transwomen vs ciswomen.

nah, I really doubt that factors into it in the least. I've been groped by a gay man before, and pretty much shrugged it off because I have no past trauma that makes it any more painful than just taking an extra step away. Heck, I've been groped by women that I really did not want anything to do with. (including one that was a fair bit larger and stronger than my teenage self at the time)

This crap happens to you regardless of preferences or your gender or your attackers gender. And a lot of the time "I was drunk" is a BS excuse, because I'm pretty sure the girl in my case was just expecting me to be a "typical dude" and jump at the opportunity roll in the hay. (whereas I was focused on the fact she was totally sloshed, I knew her boyfriend, and my girlfriend was also at the same party.)

Being drunk just means that the stupid ideas that pop into their head aren't necessarily examined for being stupid, but drunk or not, that idea popped into their head.

That same level of stupid that makes you act on ill conceived plans doesn't really make you think "Oh, this person isn't attracted to me" it just ... removes the inhibition against acting on it entirely.