TheRPGSite

Pen & Paper Roleplaying Central => Pen and Paper Roleplaying Games (RPGs) Discussion => Topic started by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 02:31:45 PM

Title: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 02:31:45 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here. I just went by the booth for Coyote and Crow. Absolutely no product at the booth or promotional material. All the creator (who looks about as 1/64 American Indian as I do, so looks white as any other white person) had in the booth were buttons that said “Pro-Choice or No Dice”, and he was holding court with about 4 fans. So no product. No gaming material. Only politics to be found at the booth.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: jeff37923 on August 04, 2022, 02:39:27 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here. I just went by the booth for Coyote and Crow. Absolutely no product at the booth or promotional material. All the creator (who looks about as 1/64 American Indian as I do, so looks white as any other white person) had in the booth were buttons that said “Pro-Choice or No Dice”, and he was holding court with about 4 fans. So no product. No gaming material. Only politics to be found at the booth.

Take a picture so we can spread it around for truth purposes.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 02:54:42 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here. I just went by the booth for Coyote and Crow. Absolutely no product at the booth or promotional material. All the creator (who looks about as 1/64 American Indian as I do, so looks white as any other white person) had in the booth were buttons that said “Pro-Choice or No Dice”, and he was holding court with about 4 fans. So no product. No gaming material. Only politics to be found at the booth.

Take a picture so we can spread it around for truth purposes.
I’d need to figure out how to strip the image of the metadata.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2022, 03:17:24 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here. I just went by the booth for Coyote and Crow. Absolutely no product at the booth or promotional material. All the creator (who looks about as 1/64 American Indian as I do, so looks white as any other white person) had in the booth were buttons that said “Pro-Choice or No Dice”, and he was holding court with about 4 fans. So no product. No gaming material. Only politics to be found at the booth.

Take a picture so we can spread it around for truth purposes.
I’d need to figure out how to strip the image of the metadata.
Use your burner phone.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Batjon on August 04, 2022, 03:23:04 PM
This is the biggest pandering gimmick of a game in RPG history.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: HappyDaze on August 04, 2022, 03:53:40 PM
This is the biggest pandering gimmick of a game in RPG history.
By next year, you're likely to be asked to hold a lot of beers.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thornhammer on August 04, 2022, 04:03:22 PM
Where is the giant inflatable UrbanMech located?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 05:17:36 PM
Where is the giant inflatable UrbanMech located?
I saw them inflating it yesterday on the east side of the convention center towards the food truck area.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 05:20:52 PM
This is the biggest pandering gimmick of a game in RPG history.
By next year, you're likely to be asked to hold a lot of beers.
Given that he blew at least 20 grand on the booth space alone with no product to sell I doubt that highly. Not with that kind of business savvy. That kind of performance also scares away potential business partners if he was looking for any.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thornhammer on August 04, 2022, 05:46:14 PM
Where is the giant inflatable UrbanMech located?
I saw them inflating it yesterday on the east side of the convention center towards the food truck area.

Kick ass. Thanks!
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Svenhelgrim on August 04, 2022, 06:35:53 PM
This is the biggest pandering gimmick of a game in RPG history.
By next year, you're likely to be asked to hold a lot of beers.
Given that he blew at least 20 grand on the booth space alone with no product to sell I doubt that highly. Not with that kind of business savvy. That kind of performance also scares away potential business partners if he was looking for any.

This guy will be sucking up to all the big gaming publishers with a chest full of “Pro choice or no dice” buttons, and they will all smile to his face and never call him.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 04, 2022, 06:36:21 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: The Spaniard on August 04, 2022, 06:41:49 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here. I just went by the booth for Coyote and Crow. Absolutely no product at the booth or promotional material. All the creator (who looks about as 1/64 American Indian as I do, so looks white as any other white person) had in the booth were buttons that said “Pro-Choice or No Dice”, and he was holding court with about 4 fans. So no product. No gaming material. Only politics to be found at the booth.
One of the GMs in our group bought the game thinking it was a great idea.  It only took a read of the first few pages for us to determine what a load of crap it was, so we bailed on it.  I'm sure the mope at the booth was enjoying preaching to the choir.  Not sure on their sales, but I'll bet they aren't great.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: rytrasmi on August 04, 2022, 06:55:53 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!
Your links says no booth. OP said booth. Further detecting is required.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 04, 2022, 08:18:41 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 04, 2022, 08:26:49 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Bro you forgot to strip the metadata from your post
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: jeff37923 on August 04, 2022, 08:53:42 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Bro you forgot to strip the metadata from your post

There you have it folks, more proof that Tubesock Amy is only here to troll.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2022, 10:52:59 AM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Batjon on August 05, 2022, 10:56:58 AM
Yeah, not for me.  He can keep his wokeness to himself.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GhostNinja on August 05, 2022, 10:59:29 AM

He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

It's been said that gamers can make very poor business people.  Woke ones are even worse.   Remember that comic book/Game store I think that was in Ca then was ultra woke and then went under?  I believe that was discussed here.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GhostNinja on August 05, 2022, 11:01:45 AM
Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Probably.  I mean printing and shipping is expensive and probably after he shipped to all his backers he probably didnt have any money left because he probably underestimated how much the project would cost with art, layout, writing and everything else.

Not to mention he is woke, so he probably isn't very bright.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 11:40:54 AM
Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Oh, he had the money. Just not the business savvy.  ;D

According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2022, 11:54:31 AM
Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Oh, he had the money. Just not the business savvy.  ;D

According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!

That he would be unable and or unwilling to take responsability is a given, he's woke after all.

That he would be as mind numblingly STUPID as to not know where his inventory is, and THEN fire the guy who knows BEFORE getting his product back? Now that's a new level of stupid. Assuming it's all true.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 12:16:29 PM
Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Oh, he had the money. Just not the business savvy.  ;D

According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!

That he would be unable and or unwilling to take responsability is a given, he's woke after all.

That he would be as mind numblingly STUPID as to not know where his inventory is, and THEN fire the guy who knows BEFORE getting his product back? Now that's a new level of stupid. Assuming it's all true.

Good thing he had those pins laying around.  ::)
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Mistwell on August 05, 2022, 12:27:06 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?

How do you not even have a copy of your own game to at least show people and run a sample of though at your table?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Mistwell on August 05, 2022, 12:28:51 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Seriously, in the very least SOMETHING about your game to show to people. Not even a poster? A laptop with images up on it? ANYTHING?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Mistwell on August 05, 2022, 12:30:19 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here.

Tell us about any cool stuff you see there. Or any games you play.

Wish I were there this year.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: HappyDaze on August 05, 2022, 12:55:54 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here.

Tell us about any cool stuff you see there. Or any games you play.

Wish I were there this year.
I wanted to be there too, but I'm on my (twice-delayed) 2020 European vacation, and I wanted that more.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 05, 2022, 01:08:04 PM

Oh, he had the money. Just not the business savvy.  ;D

According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!


OOOHhhhh I'll have to track this blog post down. Juicy

EDIT: Oh wow, this dude's game is going in the tank. Sounds like they can't get any shite together.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 01:29:48 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Seriously, in the very least SOMETHING about your game to show to people. Not even a poster? A laptop with images up on it? ANYTHING?

This was precisely my thoughts on this.

According to the blog post, the former Event Coordinator knows where some inventory is (whatever that means), but how or why that never made it to the booth is a mystery. I can understand having issues with printed books arriving on time (if that was the case), but not having any t-shirts, stickers, or posters? He had time to order "I only game with baby murderers" pins, so I see no excuse he couldn't have pins that... oh, I dunno... PROMOTED HIS FUKKEN GAME!
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 01:32:19 PM

Oh, he had the money. Just not the business savvy.  ;D

According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!


OOOHhhhh I'll have to track this blog post down. Juicy

EDIT: Oh wow, this dude's game is going in the tank. Sounds like they can't get any shite together.

It was linked above. Here it is
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 05, 2022, 01:33:50 PM
s linked above. Here it is
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Thanks man!
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: rytrasmi on August 05, 2022, 01:52:03 PM
Even if he had to buy a few copies of his own game retail, it's better than showing up empty handed and whining about it. But, really, what designer doesn't have a few copies of their work sitting around?

Or how about you print off some concept art and early design notes and show that off? Or sell shirts, stickers, whatever. All this stuff can be quickly and easily printed if you happen to lack a copy of your own book.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Koltar on August 05, 2022, 02:05:59 PM
Aside from picking on one booth or vendor.....

I really, REALLY wish I could have gone to it this year.

Around 4 to 5 months ago I chose a local friend or local situation over "...going to Gen Con".

Last time I went was in 2019 - 6 to 7 months before the pandemic and all the lockdown situations happened.
Now I see almost half of my friends posting picture to Facebook and I wish I was there. Several of them I have asked to purchase miniatures for me that I think are only available 'there'

So, I am living vicariously via pictures that people are posting.

What happened to the guy on here that used to post pictures mostly 'live' while he was there or daily?
 Those threads were fun.

- Ed C.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Ghostmaker on August 05, 2022, 02:07:16 PM
Free quickstart guides. Pins, posters, dice. T-shirts. What the heck is this guy doing? Set aside his crappy socjus politics: this guy is terrible at marketing a game.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2022, 02:11:01 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Seriously, in the very least SOMETHING about your game to show to people. Not even a poster? A laptop with images up on it? ANYTHING?

A tablet with the pdf, some pregen characters, hell you could sell the pdf for 5 bucks.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 05, 2022, 02:13:37 PM
Free quickstart guides. Pins, posters, dice. T-shirts. What the heck is this guy doing? Set aside his crappy socjus politics: this guy is terrible at marketing a game.

Just go read his "White people you're racist give me money" post over the C&C thread. (link in the OP)
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 02:26:17 PM
So I tried finding out what made their presentation at Origins such a "sloppy mess", but couldn't find anything useful. I was curious to see if this was a repeat occurrance, signifying that the guy just does not learn from his mistakes. To me, it sounds like he simply does not know how to manage a business (which includes managing your employees), and instead scapegoats them for what is ultimately his own failures.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 05, 2022, 02:32:55 PM
Free quickstart guides. Pins, posters, dice. T-shirts. What the heck is this guy doing? Set aside his crappy socjus politics: this guy is terrible at marketing a game.

Just go read his "White people you're racist give me money" post over the C&C thread. (link in the OP)

The link was actually in the OTHER thread. ;)
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/04/23/an-important-message-from-connor/#more-510

Edit - To be honest, a lot of what he said in that post wasn't all that bad. He was mostly calling out all the white guilt idiots who are too afraid of the cancel mob to just have a little fun. Of course, this whole white guilt mentality was fostered by SJWs who kept screaming "cultural appropriation" at everything from dreadlocks to noserings, so who's really to blame? Ironically, the book perpetuates white guilt by telling white people not to insert any real world Indian cultures, but Indian poeple can if they want. It doesn't matter if your anthropologist in Native American studies, if you don't have magic blood, you can't possibly do it with any amount of sensitivity.

Even though some of the messaging is actually helpful, it's obviously hypocritical. He's shaming people for their white guilt, but then berates and bullies them for being "racist" hoping they buy his product. He's literally banking on their white guilt while criticising them for it. Unbelievable.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 05, 2022, 06:00:28 PM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

Congratulations, detective!

Also, lollin @ not being able to switch off metadata on your cel phone pics. Fuckin' Google, how does it work?
He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

Pretending Bull made about 1 cool million from his KS, you mean to tell me he has no money to print some books to sell at the convention?

LOL.

Seriously, in the very least SOMETHING about your game to show to people. Not even a poster? A laptop with images up on it? ANYTHING?

This was precisely my thoughts on this.

According to the blog post, the former Event Coordinator knows where some inventory is (whatever that means), but how or why that never made it to the booth is a mystery. I can understand having issues with printed books arriving on time (if that was the case), but not having any t-shirts, stickers, or posters? He had time to order "I only game with baby murderers" pins, so I see no excuse he couldn't have pins that... oh, I dunno... PROMOTED HIS FUKKEN GAME!
In the current mindset of the Woke, being pro-abortion (Bill Clinton may have been the last major Democrat leader who was pro-choice instead of pro-abortion) is worth more Woke points than his game. He is terrible at managing a business, but he’s magnificent at playing by the Woke game.

I wonder if he has an issue where the product isn’t being held hostage by the ex-employee, but he didn’t actually order as much as originally intended. He had enough for the backers, and for some stores, but part of his plea for whites to buy his game out of guilt is to generate additional orders to justify more production. Honestly I’m surprised he was actually able to produce the game. So many funded rpg kickstarters fail to deliver. So I must at least acknowledge he delivered on the Kickstarter.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Koltar on August 05, 2022, 06:11:19 PM
Damnit..

The 'Infinity Mirror' quote boxes have started up again.

There has got to be a better way to do the quoting...

- Ed C.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 05, 2022, 06:26:11 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here.

Tell us about any cool stuff you see there. Or any games you play.

Wish I were there this year.
Not that much I saw that I’d call cool other than the inflatable mech, which is certainly cool. More encouraged by the higher number of attendees and vendors in the dealer hall as a reflection of returning health to the industry.

Nothing struck me as being a big launch that I was interested in, though I’m sure there were some that would interest others. The LotFP booth was less busy than prior years. I wish someone could convince Raggi to do more generally useful gaming material that was only somewhat weird. Flipping through his books and seeing outright fucked up disturbing things set in the late renaissance over and over and over again is a very, very narrow niche. Some of  the books are are almost works of art in their construction and production values, but the content is so damned out there weird/disturbing/grotesque since his early products I lose interest. More Grinding Gear, and less sexual cannibalism and bestiality in powdered wigs, please, for the love of God, please.

Sorry, you wanted what was cool, and I think I failed in that. I guess what’s cool is that is seems the industry is resetting to be in a position to offer genuinely cool gaming material next year. (Last year was sad, and I’ll leave it at that.)
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thornhammer on August 05, 2022, 07:58:44 PM
I’m gonna see what dregs of BattleTech I can snarf up on Sunday. They had some of the new Alpha Strike boxes for sale, but those went in like two hours on day one.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Klytus on August 05, 2022, 08:26:13 PM
I’m gonna see what dregs of BattleTech I can snarf up on Sunday. They had some of the new Alpha Strike boxes for sale, but those went in like two hours on day one.

Might wanna hold off on that. Catalyst recently fired an author for the sin of being a proud conservative and writing a conservative novel.

https://amgreatness.com/2022/07/29/my-publisher-canceled-me-in-favor-of-an-activist-who-threatened-my-life/

I'd recently been getting back into battletech too...
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 07, 2022, 10:17:28 AM
I walked by the Coyote and Crow booth today. It was being manned by another vendor for Robotech and Valiant Wars. I suppose someone decided it’d be better to let another vendor into the empty space than have a bare booth with the Coyote and Crow label on it. Ought to have been done sooner, but at least it happened at some point.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Mistwell on August 07, 2022, 01:33:43 PM
Is True Dungeon at Gencon this year?

Is GameScience still at Gencon despite the death of Rick Loomis?

Is that gaming table company at Gencon with people ooing and awwing the table?

Any interesting new dice designs?

Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 08, 2022, 08:45:39 AM
Is True Dungeon at Gencon this year?

Is GameScience still at Gencon despite the death of Rick Loomis?

Is that gaming table company at Gencon with people ooing and awwing the table?

Any interesting new dice designs?
True Dungeon was there, running 3 separate dungeons, which are exhausting when you are in them back-to-back-to-back.

Game Science had a booth there. Rather small and lost compared to the other dice booths. Regarding some of the other dice booths many were selling high-end dice, but I’ve never understood the point of paying $35 for a single die. It’s going to get banged up over time as it gets rolled, stuffed in a dice bag, etc. Are people putting them on their mantle as display pieces?

I do recall seeing a gaming table booth, but don’t recall the name. It seemed to have decent traffic. So people are still paying $2k+ for a customized table.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Valatar on August 08, 2022, 11:54:19 AM
There've always been people who were suckers for exotic dice, but with the recent performative bent for a lot of the mercer effect posers, I can absolutely see them shelling out for dice forged from metal salvaged from the Titanic and blessed by a Tibetan monk, in a box that illuminates with a fog generator when you open the lid, with each die named something 'quirky' like Mister Rollington the Third.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Tubesock Army on August 08, 2022, 12:23:29 PM
Damnit..

The 'Infinity Mirror' quote boxes have started up again.

There has got to be a better way to do the quoting...

- Ed C.

There appear to be a couple of modules for this forum software that will minimize, but not eliminate, that issue. It would require the mod team to locate, download. and install them, though.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: DocJones on August 08, 2022, 01:21:01 PM
According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!
Pale face break treaty, come and steal inventory.

Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: HappyDaze on August 08, 2022, 01:23:44 PM
According to the blog post, it was all someone elses fault. Because of course he can't take responsibility for what people do on his company's behalf (assuming it's even true, which I have doubts about). He CLAIMS that this person knows where some inventory is, but alludes to them withholding that info from him. Like, WTF? How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?! This guy is either lying or he's mind-numbingly incompetent. Let's just assume it is true though... why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to? As Tony Stark would say: Not a great plan!
Pale face break treaty, come and steal inventory.
How does this compare to KS's Palladium great betrayal crap from > a decade ago?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: DocJones on August 08, 2022, 01:27:36 PM
Is GameScience still at Gencon despite the death of Rick Loomis?
Rick Loomis was Flying Buffalo.  Game Science is a dice company.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: DocJones on August 08, 2022, 01:31:01 PM
How does this compare to KS's Palladium great betrayal crap from > a decade ago?
I don't know anything about Palladium.
I didn't attend GenCon this year because this animal didn't have its shots.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: HappyDaze on August 08, 2022, 01:36:57 PM
How does this compare to KS's Palladium great betrayal crap from > a decade ago?
I don't know anything about Palladium.
I didn't attend GenCon this year because this animal didn't have its shots.
I understand.  I got mine to go on a Baltic cruise...except St. Petersburg was canceled because Russia is bring naughty.

But really, you've never heard about Palladium and the Great Betryal? The first one, not the Robote ch Tactics betrayal...or any subsequent berayals...damn, KS has rhe whole world against him. Term to double down on his persecution delusions...
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2022, 03:14:10 PM

He definitely has a booth at GenCon, and definitely blew $20k plus on a fiasco. I think he only stayed at his booth for an hour before he bailed. Can’t say that I blame him for hiding his face.

As for investigating, I never claimed I found out a deep secret. It can’t be secret with the company’s name on the booth. I am pointing out this Woke jerk’s failure, and whatever sob story he puts on his website for an assumed friendly audience he still failed to deliver on his plans on being at GenCon with product to sell and promote his game. The excuses are just that, and don’t contradict his failure. It’s also telling that instead of even coming up with some posters or flyers to help promote the game all he could do was make up some buttons to virtue-signal, as if that would cover his failure as a game developer and producer.

It's been said that gamers can make very poor business people.  Woke ones are even worse.   Remember that comic book/Game store I think that was in Ca then was ultra woke and then went under?  I believe that was discussed here.

Wokists have a problem: every book they produce is a make-work project for totally untalented people, by default. Ones with racial or sexual elements to them even moreso, because then they will have to take on like 50 "cultural advisors". And because wokists are all deeply unstable human beings, many of which with malignant narcissism or psychopathy, they will inevitably end up creating issues.

But hey, this is the guy who said "you should buy this book and not play it, white people". So fuck him.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: RPGPundit on August 08, 2022, 03:20:12 PM
I thought I’d start a topic on what people are seeing at GenCon, thinking I might not be the only member here.

Tell us about any cool stuff you see there. Or any games you play.

Wish I were there this year.
Not that much I saw that I’d call cool other than the inflatable mech, which is certainly cool. More encouraged by the higher number of attendees and vendors in the dealer hall as a reflection of returning health to the industry.

Nothing struck me as being a big launch that I was interested in, though I’m sure there were some that would interest others. The LotFP booth was less busy than prior years. I wish someone could convince Raggi to do more generally useful gaming material that was only somewhat weird. Flipping through his books and seeing outright fucked up disturbing things set in the late renaissance over and over and over again is a very, very narrow niche. Some of  the books are are almost works of art in their construction and production values, but the content is so damned out there weird/disturbing/grotesque since his early products I lose interest. More Grinding Gear, and less sexual cannibalism and bestiality in powdered wigs, please, for the love of God, please.

Sorry, you wanted what was cool, and I think I failed in that. I guess what’s cool is that is seems the industry is resetting to be in a position to offer genuinely cool gaming material next year. (Last year was sad, and I’ll leave it at that.)

Sounds like you should check out the Old School Companion 2.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Mistwell on August 08, 2022, 04:40:47 PM
Is GameScience still at Gencon despite the death of Rick Loomis?
Rick Loomis was Flying Buffalo.  Game Science is a dice company.

Yeah I realized that later. I meant to ask if FBI is there.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Thornhammer on August 08, 2022, 11:08:49 PM
There was some dice company there that had a booth I couldn't believe. Like a damn jewelry store, and poor little Game Science with that stubby little booth.

The UrbanMech nearly made me weep. BattleTech is one of my favorite IPs ever, has been ever since I was a wee gamer. I have seen plenty of big-ass Space Marine statues, but nothing like the giant Urbie.

I saw some really cool shit, got waved into the Catalyst booth by Michael fucking Stackpole (and I just barely, barely avoided freaking out like a teen girl but did not soil nor embarrass myself), and had a great time with my son and his scout group.

Completely positive experience, and even if I catch covid it was worth it.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Anon Adderlan on August 14, 2022, 12:36:51 AM
Coyote & Crow themselves announced a few days ago that they would be unable to sell product at Gen Con this year:
https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/08/01/gen-con-2022/

And wooboy what a reason it is! (https://archive.ph/woaHG#selection-309.0-309.419)

Quote
I'm sorry to say that the person I hired for the Event and Outreach position left us in a bit of a spot as well. While the initial work from them seemed promising, I had to let them go last month and when I did, they took a scorched earth attitude and did not forward me any details or contacts regarding projects they were working on.

They're not just implying incompetence but outright malice.

How the hell, as a business owner, do you NOT KNOW, where your product is held?!

To be fair this is often the case when using third party event/fulfillment services.

why tf you gonna fire the guy before getting your product back? Or the records for all this "information" the guy was supposedly privvy to?

Or right before the event you hired them to manage.

The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses.

With allies like these...

The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner.

This doesn't mean they aren't sorry for both, and this practice of reading apologies in pedantically bad faith is easily one of the most toxic traits of the Woke, so let's not emulate it.

Anyway, for those curious about Wulf James-Roby, the Event & Outreach Coordinator in question, all I can say is you will be shocked at your complete lack of surprise (https://web.archive.org/web/20220814041107/https://wjr.taplink.ws/).
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: The Spaniard on August 14, 2022, 08:41:25 AM

Lol!  This guy looks like a real prize...
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: jeff37923 on August 14, 2022, 03:23:17 PM
"A fool and his Kickstarter money are soon parted."
- Ken Whitman
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Omega on August 15, 2022, 11:53:28 AM
The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!

Actually it reads alot like various scam publishers excuses. This one just more stupid than usual.

Theres always some excuse like "the shipment is being held hostage by chinese officials!" which can be all too true. But of course the game never ships. Or conveniently only ships to stores. The rest "got lost!".

Or maybe they pulled a SuperDudes, Chevalier or Golden Bell maneuver and spent the money on something else. Starting their own financing company, buying a house and equipment to make indie films, or making and selling... plushes... No really. All 3 of those are ones that really happened.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 15, 2022, 01:42:30 PM
The whole post reads like a hit piece on a former employee rather than what it should be, an apology letter to the fans. But as typical with these narcissists, it's all deflection and excuses. The only time he even mentioned being sorry it was for having "to bring you all this news with such short notice." He's not sorry there won't be product, he's only sorry he didn't break the news sooner. What a stand up guy!

Actually it reads alot like various scam publishers excuses. This one just more stupid than usual.

Theres always some excuse like "the shipment is being held hostage by chinese officials!" which can be all too true. But of course the game never ships. Or conveniently only ships to stores. The rest "got lost!".

Or maybe they pulled a SuperDudes, Chevalier or Golden Bell maneuver and spent the money on something else. Starting their own financing company, buying a house and equipment to make indie films, or making and selling... plushes... No really. All 3 of those are ones that really happened.

All very real possibilities.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: hoshisabi on August 15, 2022, 02:35:24 PM
So, he said he had no booth in the link that you provided earlier, but at the bottom of that page there is a "previous story" button, and if you look it talks about Conventions and Gencon.

Click it and you see the explanation for why he had "no booth" but he still had "a booth."

https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/07/21/conventions-and-cc/

But the gist is:
Quote
Currently, Gen Con 2022 is the only show we’re scheduled to attend with a consumer booth and product sales. And the truth is, if I were given the opportunity to cancel our Gen Con appearance without serious financial repercussions, I would do it. There are simply too many downsides, costs and dangers. But, at this point, it’s too late to back out, so all we can do is move forward and do the best we can.

To reconcile this "no booth" vs "booth" (without going into weird metaphysical explanations a la hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where you have both "no tea" and "tea.")

And given that folks mentioned seeing someone else selling products out of that same booth:

They had already made commitment to have a booth, so in order to recoup money they permitted another vendor to sell out of their booth, but they were still responsible for the space, so they were there as well to make sure everything was ok.

I can't speak for what was said in any of those posts, but I figured that there most likely is a simple explanation for stuff.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 15, 2022, 03:42:21 PM
So, he said he had no booth in the link that you provided earlier, but at the bottom of that page there is a "previous story" button, and if you look it talks about Conventions and Gencon.

Click it and you see the explanation for why he had "no booth" but he still had "a booth."

https://coyoteandcrow.net/2022/07/21/conventions-and-cc/

But the gist is:
Quote
Currently, Gen Con 2022 is the only show we’re scheduled to attend with a consumer booth and product sales. And the truth is, if I were given the opportunity to cancel our Gen Con appearance without serious financial repercussions, I would do it. There are simply too many downsides, costs and dangers. But, at this point, it’s too late to back out, so all we can do is move forward and do the best we can.

To reconcile this "no booth" vs "booth" (without going into weird metaphysical explanations a la hitchhiker's guide to the galaxy where you have both "no tea" and "tea.")

And given that folks mentioned seeing someone else selling products out of that same booth:

They had already made commitment to have a booth, so in order to recoup money they permitted another vendor to sell out of their booth, but they were still responsible for the space, so they were there as well to make sure everything was ok.

I can't speak for what was said in any of those posts, but I figured that there most likely is a simple explanation for stuff.
The simple explanation is that the xenophobe fucked up the delivery of his product in multiple aspects. I saw another vendor at his booth on the last day of the con. I didn’t see anybody there on Thursday or Friday. I have no idea about Saturday. He may have made some of his money back, but highly doubtful it was more than a small proportion.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: hoshisabi on August 15, 2022, 03:51:19 PM
The simple explanation is that the xenophobe fucked up the delivery of his product in multiple aspects. I saw another vendor at his booth on the last day of the con. I didn’t see anybody there on Thursday or Friday. I have no idea about Saturday. He may have made some of his money back, but highly doubtful it was more than a small proportion.

Some is better than none. Regardless, dude decided to cut his losses, can't blame a business owner for that.

You can have whatever opinion you want of him for other things, but the idea that scaling back through laying people off and cutting back in promotion/advertisement will help prevent some but not all of your losses isn't too surprising.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 15, 2022, 05:05:50 PM
The simple explanation is that the xenophobe fucked up the delivery of his product in multiple aspects. I saw another vendor at his booth on the last day of the con. I didn’t see anybody there on Thursday or Friday. I have no idea about Saturday. He may have made some of his money back, but highly doubtful it was more than a small proportion.

Some is better than none. Regardless, dude decided to cut his losses, can't blame a business owner for that.

You can have whatever opinion you want of him for other things, but the idea that scaling back through laying people off and cutting back in promotion/advertisement will help prevent some but not all of your losses isn't too surprising.
Sure I (or anyone else) can “blame” him for the cutbacks when they’re a consequence of poor business management on his part. His currents actions can be rational in trying to limit the damage of the screwups. Still warms my heart to see a Woke xenophobe start to spiral down the drain.

Why anyone of good intent would want to white knight for a xenophobe is beyond me. I imagine in your case you can’t help caping for a fellow Woke co-religionist.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: hoshisabi on August 15, 2022, 05:21:29 PM
Sure I (or anyone else) can “blame” him for the cutbacks when they’re a consequence of poor business management on his part. His currents actions can be rational in trying to limit the damage of the screwups. Still warms my heart to see a Woke xenophobe start to spiral down the drain.

Why anyone of good intent would want to white knight for a xenophobe is beyond me. I imagine in your case you can’t help caping for a fellow Woke co-religionist.

I made a point to say that I couldn't speak for anything he said. I don't defend him because I don't know his product, haven't read anything about him prior to now.

I just tend to think in Occam's Razor terms, folks tend to get a tiny bit conspiratorial, but I tend to think simpler answers tend to be a little closer to the truth.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: wmarshal on August 15, 2022, 05:55:42 PM
Sure I (or anyone else) can “blame” him for the cutbacks when they’re a consequence of poor business management on his part. His currents actions can be rational in trying to limit the damage of the screwups. Still warms my heart to see a Woke xenophobe start to spiral down the drain.

Why anyone of good intent would want to white knight for a xenophobe is beyond me. I imagine in your case you can’t help caping for a fellow Woke co-religionist.

I made a point to say that I couldn't speak for anything he said. I don't defend him because I don't know his product, haven't read anything about him prior to now.

I just tend to think in Occam's Razor terms, folks tend to get a tiny bit conspiratorial, but I tend to think simpler answers tend to be a little closer to the truth.
You’ve been defending him by deflection. That seems to be your entire participation in this thread.

You didn’t just say “I couldn’t speak for anything he said.” You also aimed to make him immune to blame by trying to prohibit others from blaming him. To be blameworthy implies guilt, and everyone knows that to be truly Woke you have to be guilt free, especially if one is a member of a favored category of victim. To imagine this guy is blameworthy is probably anethema to the Woke. Thus, the caping.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: DocJones on August 15, 2022, 05:57:26 PM
Maybe he will have to take those 5000 donations of books back and sell them.
But that would make him a .....a...
What's that phrase for when someone want to take a gift back?
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: SHARK on August 15, 2022, 06:21:02 PM
Sure I (or anyone else) can “blame” him for the cutbacks when they’re a consequence of poor business management on his part. His currents actions can be rational in trying to limit the damage of the screwups. Still warms my heart to see a Woke xenophobe start to spiral down the drain.

Why anyone of good intent would want to white knight for a xenophobe is beyond me. I imagine in your case you can’t help caping for a fellow Woke co-religionist.

I made a point to say that I couldn't speak for anything he said. I don't defend him because I don't know his product, haven't read anything about him prior to now.

I just tend to think in Occam's Razor terms, folks tend to get a tiny bit conspiratorial, but I tend to think simpler answers tend to be a little closer to the truth.
You’ve been defending him by deflection. That seems to be your entire participation in this thread.

You didn’t just say “I couldn’t speak for anything he said.” You also aimed to make him immune to blame by trying to prohibit others from blaming him. To be blameworthy implies guilt, and everyone knows that to be truly Woke you have to be guilt free, especially if one is a member of a favored category of victim. To imagine this guy is blameworthy is probably anethema to the Woke. Thus, the caping.

Greetings!

Excellent points, wmarshal!

If Hoshisabi "Isn't defending him"--then what is the argument about?

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: moonsweeper on August 15, 2022, 07:08:19 PM
Maybe he will have to take those 5000 donations of books back and sell them.
But that would make him a .....a...
What's that phrase for when someone want to take a gift back?

 ;D ;D

Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Effete on August 15, 2022, 07:47:38 PM
Maybe he will have to take those 5000 donations of books back and sell them.
But that would make him a .....a...
What's that phrase for when someone want to take a gift back?

Someone just won the internet.  ;D
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: hoshisabi on August 15, 2022, 08:52:42 PM
You’ve been defending him by deflection. That seems to be your entire participation in this thread.

You didn’t just say “I couldn’t speak for anything he said.” You also aimed to make him immune to blame by trying to prohibit others from blaming him. To be blameworthy implies guilt, and everyone knows that to be truly Woke you have to be guilt free, especially if one is a member of a favored category of victim. To imagine this guy is blameworthy is probably anethema to the Woke. Thus, the caping.

Defense is a value judgement. You're saying "he has no explanation for why he said he had no booth but he had a presence in a booth."

I merely presented a possibility that would make sense. I didn't say it definitely WAS the explanation, merely that it was a possibility.

You make the same mistake that many on this forum do: you homogenize everyone who disagrees with you.

Not everyone who disagrees with you is the same, the "Woke" is not some monolithic group, and many folks that consider themselves woke would group me in with you.

When in fact, I presented nothing about my opinion about the game, which I said that I don't have. I've never played it, I've never read his words, I cannot provide a defense or attack them. I reserve my judgement for what I've actually had experience with.

So, if saying "Perhaps he tried to recoup a little bit of the cost of his booth by sharing it with others" is somehow a defense, yes, perhaps I did defend it. Only in that most miniscule of fashion. Saying that sometimes easy explanations exist for things isn't much of a stretch.

I'm also cautioning you to not fall into that mental trap where you become tribal, everyone who doesn't agree with you is against you. I've seen folks in the board start attacking each other calling each other woke and it's kind of silly. Some of y'all use the word like a kid who learned a new swear word and wants to use it as often as possible.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: DocJones on August 15, 2022, 09:42:25 PM
I'm also cautioning you to not fall into that mental trap where you become tribal, everyone who doesn't agree with you is against you. I've seen folks in the board start attacking each other calling each other woke and it's kind of silly. Some of y'all use the word like a kid who learned a new swear word and wants to use it as often as possible.
Careful there.  You are using "tribal" in a context as it's a bad thing.
I don't think our Coyote & Crow creators would appreciate that,
Although the C&C creator and the guy he fired are from different tribes.
Perhaps they went "tribal" and it was indeed a bad thing/.


Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: hoshisabi on August 16, 2022, 12:06:31 AM
Careful there.  You are using "tribal" in a context as it's a bad thing.
I don't think our Coyote & Crow creators would appreciate that,
Although the C&C creator and the guy he fired are from different tribes.
Perhaps they went "tribal" and it was indeed a bad thing/.

haha.

Good point, though I'm pretty sure no one who actually would call me out will see it, I should probably find a replacement word regardless.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Tantavalist on August 17, 2022, 01:25:48 AM
I just tend to think in Occam's Razor terms, folks tend to get a tiny bit conspiratorial, but I tend to think simpler answers tend to be a little closer to the truth.


In cases like this I find that one of Churchill's maxims is the most useful one.

"Never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by incompetence."

The publisher is obviously very skilled in motivating online mobs and getting them fired up to support something that ticks all the right boxes. But it's becoming increasingly clear that he doesn't have any idea how to deal with real world issues existing beyond social media like finances, logistics and legal contracts.

There's actually a dangerous middle ground for small businesses where they get successful enough that the guy(s) who started them can't handle the volume any more but not successful enough to expand without outside investment. Wildly successful crowdfunded projects often go that way. Even if he was acting in good faith (and few here will assume that) he probably won't be able to deliver on what he promised given the way the scale expanded beyond his expectations and costs have shot up this last year.

He also doesn't seem to grasp that the reason the kickstarter was so successful was that Social (Justice) Media got the news to every single person who thought it was a good idea during the fundraising stage. People who had no intention of playing this or any other RPG funded it because they liked the sound of it. Now he's finding that this was it- anyone who is willing to pay money for C&C has already done so and any further sales are going to be negligable in comparison.

In the real world we have these things called Costs, Debts and Deadlines and they don't change or go away because you can motivate a bunch of people on twitter to being outraged on your behalf. The most recent posts from C&C's creator suggest he's meeting these Real World problems and trying to fight them using the only skillset he's ever developed. It's not going to work and I have zero sympathy for that. I'll save that for all the RPGs actually worth playing that have met or will meet the same fate at the hand of these same factors.
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: tenbones on August 17, 2022, 10:57:00 AM
Plot Twist: He's really the alter-ego of Gareth Michael Skarka!
Title: Re: GenCon 2022 topic
Post by: Anon Adderlan on September 25, 2022, 03:37:02 AM
Plot Twist: He's really the alter-ego of Gareth Michael Skarka!

Fake Gareth Michael Skarka will not be happy with this.