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"Gaming Saves the World" Seminar--Doesn't Sound Like a Good Idea ...

Started by Armchair Gamer, April 08, 2017, 09:15:22 PM

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Ratman_tf

#30
April 10, 2017, 12:33:14 PM
Quote from: Willie the Duck;956413I really think this identity politics in RPGs (and/or resistance there-to) is really only omnipresent if one is actively seeking it.

I wish that were so. I'd be happy as a clam if I could put all this activism nonsense behind me, and just talk about gaming. But it crept up and now it's fucking everywhere. If you're finding places on the internet where you can get away from this stuff, more power to you.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

cranebump

#31
April 10, 2017, 04:28:01 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;956353This is the problem with the colonialheteronormativecapitalisticpatriarchy. Such seminars should be mandatory for participation in GenCon. /s (half slash s. The next step is making this stuff mandatory.)

So, you can't join the group until you attend the groupthink session?
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Ratman_tf

#32
April 10, 2017, 04:31:04 PM
Quote from: cranebump;956475So, you can't join the group until you attend the groupthink session?

Of course! We prefer to call it goodthink though.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

cranebump

#33
April 10, 2017, 04:32:27 PM
Quote from: The Butcher;956359Yeah, that's why the Dems lost the election, not nearly enough elfgaming going on.

If you think something's off with the world, go out and fight it. Vote, proselitize, write, protest. This is not a fucking game.

But as cranebump said, free speech and all.

Maybe, though I think gerrymandering has a LOT to do with Republican success these days. You have states where 40-45%% of the population voted for a DEM, but then you'll have 12 of 16 districts with a 'pub. It's especially bad in Texas, where they carve up the minority vote. As for the Presidency, well, Electoral college, right?

Anyway, that stuff is neither here not there, because, as you said, "Elfgame!" It's just fruitless to politicize everything. You end up casting well-meaning folks as ogres, whether you intended to or not.
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

cranebump

#34
April 10, 2017, 04:32:58 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;956477Of course! We prefer to call it goodthink though.

Ha! Nice...:)
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Charon's Little Helper

#35
April 10, 2017, 07:25:25 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;956477Of course! We prefer to call it goodthink though.

Be extra careful once it's called doublethink. :(

cranebump

#36
April 10, 2017, 07:46:27 PM
Quote from: Charon's Little Helper;956505Be extra careful once it's called doublethink. :(

Ratman does doublegoodthink...with a twist of lemon...
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

cranebump

#37
April 10, 2017, 07:50:13 PM
It's ironic they want to wear their ideology on their sleeve 24/7. We all have our views and beliefs. But guess what? We could all sit down, put away our self-righteousness, play our silly elfgame, and find out there's more to us than our political views, maybe leading us to find what we have in common.

I suppose, though, that that's not worthy of a panel discussion...
"When devils will the blackest sins put on, they do suggest at first with heavenly shows..."

Alderaan Crumbs

#38
April 11, 2017, 12:22:24 AM
Quote from: cranebump;956514It's ironic they want to wear their ideology on their sleeve 24/7. We all have our views and beliefs. But guess what? We could all sit down, put away our self-righteousness, play our silly elfgame, and find out there's more to us than our political views, maybe leading us to find what we have in common.

I suppose, though, that that's not worthy of a panel discussion...

Brilliantly put, sir.
Playing: With myself.
Running: Away from bees.
Reading: My signature.

Voros

#39
April 11, 2017, 03:17:26 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;956434...But it crept up and now it's fucking everywhere. If you're finding places on the internet where you can get away from this stuff, more power to you.

That's your problem right there, interact and game in 'meatspace' more and you'll find most of the drama and angst of the net notably absent.

Baeraad

#40
April 11, 2017, 04:32:14 AM
Quote from: Voros;956558That's your problem right there, interact and game in 'meatspace' more and you'll find most of the drama and angst of the net notably absent.

Oh, the actual gaming isn't a problem, in my experience - once people sit down to play they tend to be able to put their personal crap aside, even online.

No, it's reading about and talking about gaming that's turned into a minefield. And since that's the sort of thing that I like to do as personal relaxation in my own time, blowing a ton of my limited time and energy to go somewhere and talk to people in person (even assuming that I could find somewhere to do that) isn't a valid substitute.
Add me to the ranks of people who have stopped posting here because they can\'t stand the RPGPundit. It\'s not even his actual opinions, though I strongly disagree with just about all of them. It\'s the psychotic frothing rage with which he holds them. If he ever goes postal and beats someone to death with a dice bag, I don\'t want to be listed among his known associates, is what I\'m saying.

Ratman_tf

#41
April 11, 2017, 06:53:59 AM
Quote from: Voros;956558That's your problem right there, interact and game in 'meatspace' more and you'll find most of the drama and angst of the net notably absent.

How much? I play X-Wing Miniatures competitively, and I have the occasional RPG session with friends.

Last time I played Dark Sun at my local gaming pub, the table next to us was chatting about polititcs. I had to intentionally tune them out in order to enjoy my game. I live in the Pacific Northwest, and while I will grant you that it's usually not a problem, there is this kind of general tone underlying most of my interactions at work and in the public. Especially at work. I've had to stay silent as co-workers espounded about male privilige, colonialism and all the usual feminist activist type stuff.
It's mostly not a problem because I swallow my thoughts and keep them to myself. Not because it doesn't come up.
The notion of an exclusionary and hostile RPG community is a fever dream of zealots who view all social dynamics through a narrow keyhole of structural oppression.
-Haffrung

Tod13

#42
April 11, 2017, 10:42:29 AM
Quote from: Voros;956200Shouldn't this be in Pundit's forum?

I agree. All the political crap should go there.

Omega

#43
April 12, 2017, 04:26:23 AM
The thing that bugs me about just about every one of these stunts is that it increasingly tends to not really be about equality. (And some of these jokers idea of equality is anything but.) It is about turning someone into a status trophy.

S'mon

#44
April 12, 2017, 05:36:12 PM
Quote from: Baeraad;956414I would be most grateful for links to such apolitical sites. :)

But personally I can think of, hmm... five all-purpose (as in, not devoted solely to a specific game) RPG sites all in all, and four of them seem to be based on regular competitions about who can be the most righteously outraged that we don't live in the United Federation of Planets yet. (the fifth, as you noted, is based on regular competitions on who can be the most annoyed at the outrage. :p )

Dragonsfoot is good. SJWs and anti-SJWs both get shut down. Occasionally they let clever SJWs who can posit a good frame (as to why their particular bit of SJWing is a legitimate topic) run on for a bit, but mostly they catch it fast.
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