Quote from: Omega;1033758Just because you missed it does not invalidate it being a rule. Theres a couple I've missed over the decades. That doesnt mean those rules arent there.

You're right, it doesn't.  But the issue still remains that it's not universally allowed, because in the case of 2e, most of the rules were optional (Or so it seemed, I mean, there effectively two 'skill' systems, three initiative mechanics, that I remember off the top of my head.)  And if it was in a magazine, it could easily be considered unofficial, and thus for SOME players (not me, I willingly used Combat and Tactics from 2e's end, remember?  I like optional rules!) might not consider it a 'real' rule.

Here's the thing, I am not arguing that these don't exist, they clearly do.  What I am saying is that they're not 'officially' part of the class, which could confuse some people into thinking that the rule doesn't exist, or is now optional.  It's perception versus reality.  And one thing I've learned, is that if people don't see it (and if you don't have the 2e DMG, or the various Strategic Review Magazines) they often assume it cannot be done.

You know, they do do that, way too often, I have to admit. However, we haven't had many visits to "cities." For awhile (before it got destroyed in a magical cataclysm), we had one city, called "Mageswell," where your arms/armament was magically whisked away unless you were considered a "citizen" (i.e., possessed a special signet ring). This led to black market trade of such things, which the PCs engaged in, as buyers. They were able to complete a service,eventually, and earn their citizenship. Still, most of the citizens were unarmed, so, them walking around with their shit should've drawn more ire.  I don't think I played that right, at all. It's not an issue currently, because the new group is in an area that is still relatively loose, when it comes to law enforcement.

Quote from: EOTB;1033217Look, if you really want to blow your mind consider how in 1st edition, the overbearing rules allow a half-dozen 0-level grunts to routinely take down and kill high level characters.  And then think about how few ever consider using them in play to their own benefit, instead methodically standing there rolling a d20 round after round after round...

Gang-tackling has always been part of my games in part because so many of the people I gamed with were on the football team, and in part because the first time we played The Village of Hommlet, no one could hit the evil cleric in platemail. Finally someone said "Fuck this -I'm going to tackle him!" and another PC joined in, taking him down promptly.

Aside from the 1E grappling rules (before UA) being a mess, one reason so many people didn't use gang-tackling is that it's not featured very often in movies, TV shows or fiction and when it is, it's usually something the villains' dastardly henchmen use. Otherwise, the mooks attack the hero one at a time and wait patiently for their turn to get their asses kicked.

Quote from: Elfdart;1034192Gang-tackling has always been part of my games in part because so many of the people I gamed with were on the football team, and in part because the first time we played The Village of Hommlet, no one could hit the evil cleric in platemail. Finally someone said "Fuck this -I'm going to tackle him!" and another PC joined in, taking him down promptly.

Gang-grapples are one of the big reasons we fought shoulder-to-shoulder.

Quote from: Elfdart;1034192Aside from the 1E grappling rules (before UA) being a mess, one reason so many people didn't use gang-tackling is that it's not featured very often in movies, TV shows or fiction and when it is, it's usually something the villains' dastardly henchmen use. Otherwise, the mooks attack the hero one at a time and wait patiently for their turn to get their asses kicked.

That is the premise of Terry Pratchett's "Guards, Guards."