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FYI: D&D 5E will have it's Dragon Splat on October 19th.

Started by Jam The MF, July 16, 2021, 10:52:18 PM

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Zelen

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July 20, 2021, 12:29:07 AM Last Edit: July 20, 2021, 12:31:34 AM by Zelen
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 19, 2021, 04:53:27 PM
But honestly?  TTRPG gamers are often jaded and unimaginative enough that the idea of "just" an old chromatic dragon is boring to them.  Blame it on the GM if you'd rather, for not sparking some life in the encounter and its description.  So publishers churn out books of pre-imagined stuff, and people gobble it up to read (and maybe, just maybe, actually put in a game).  The idea that "variety equals interesting" is a lazy fallacy.

I do think this is largely a failure of GMing. If the GM tells you, "A red dragon appears!" then, yeah, that gets lame past the first few times. If all you have is the name that's on the tin then you need a new name on the tin to differentiate one creature for another. It's not a red dragon, it's a "LAVA dragon!"

It's really no different from describing a character. You can describe, "The shopkeeper is a human," versus, "The shopkeeper is one of these WACKY races" versus, "The shopkeeper eyes you with wariness, his body language tensing up as you approach. His moustache twitches as he lets out a gruff utterance you take as a greeting...""

Obviously stuff like Dragonlance is a different case.

Ghostmaker

#16
July 21, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I fully expect it to suck and have no plans to buy it.

3E's Draconomicon was gorgeous -- I really dig Todd Lockwood's art, to be honest -- and it had some neat ideas and seeds for adventures. So no, I don't expect the 5E splat to be any better than expensive toilet paper. If I need to, I can probably convert any concepts or ideas from the Draconomicon into 5E crunch with minimal fuss.

Jam The MF

#17
July 21, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 21, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I fully expect it to suck and have no plans to buy it.

3E's Draconomicon was gorgeous -- I really dig Todd Lockwood's art, to be honest -- and it had some neat ideas and seeds for adventures. So no, I don't expect the 5E splat to be any better than expensive toilet paper. If I need to, I can probably convert any concepts or ideas from the Draconomicon into 5E crunch with minimal fuss.


Come on now, tell us how you really feel.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

Habitual Gamer

#18
July 21, 2021, 04:54:14 PM
Quote from: Zelen on July 20, 2021, 12:29:07 AM
Quote from: Habitual Gamer on July 19, 2021, 04:53:27 PM
But honestly?  TTRPG gamers are often jaded and unimaginative enough that the idea of "just" an old chromatic dragon is boring to them.  Blame it on the GM if you'd rather, for not sparking some life in the encounter and its description.  So publishers churn out books of pre-imagined stuff, and people gobble it up to read (and maybe, just maybe, actually put in a game).  The idea that "variety equals interesting" is a lazy fallacy.

I do think this is largely a failure of GMing. If the GM tells you, "A red dragon appears!" then, yeah, that gets lame past the first few times. If all you have is the name that's on the tin then you need a new name on the tin to differentiate one creature for another. It's not a red dragon, it's a "LAVA dragon!"

It's really no different from describing a character. You can describe, "The shopkeeper is a human," versus, "The shopkeeper is one of these WACKY races" versus, "The shopkeeper eyes you with wariness, his body language tensing up as you approach. His moustache twitches as he lets out a gruff utterance you take as a greeting...""

Makes sense, given that most of those "200 Ways To Redescribe A Dragon" type books are geared towards GM's.

I mean, there's stuff that's meant to be more Player-facing, but even that tends to get double-bought (or only-bought) by the GM as well.

Ah hell, maybe I'm just still bitter at all the lazy people playing World of Darkness games and insisting that they be allowed to play some asinine character build.  "You're playing Werewolf the Apocalypse?  Cool!  Here's my Vampire-Weretiger build.  What do you mean 'it's just a werewolf game'?!?!  Why are you trying to deprotagonize me?!?!"

Ghostmaker

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July 22, 2021, 08:15:20 AM
Quote from: Jam The MF on July 21, 2021, 04:50:19 PM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on July 21, 2021, 03:53:36 PM
I fully expect it to suck and have no plans to buy it.

3E's Draconomicon was gorgeous -- I really dig Todd Lockwood's art, to be honest -- and it had some neat ideas and seeds for adventures. So no, I don't expect the 5E splat to be any better than expensive toilet paper. If I need to, I can probably convert any concepts or ideas from the Draconomicon into 5E crunch with minimal fuss.


Come on now, tell us how you really feel.
Seeing as how Hasbro is running diversity training that states toddlers are racist, I have no real reason to assume it will NOT suck.

tenbones

#20
July 22, 2021, 08:48:08 AM
How is a Black Dragon inherently being evil in 5e not racist?

I mean c'mon!

And there is no representation of Yellow Dragons. My people are totally offended.

Chris24601

#21
July 22, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: tenbones on July 22, 2021, 08:48:08 AM
How is a Black Dragon inherently being evil in 5e not racist?

I mean c'mon!

And there is no representation of Yellow Dragons. My people are totally offended.
Red Dragons also need to be renamed Indigenous American Dragons so they won't be offensive... and 4/5 of the chromatic dragons aren't evil, they're just misunderstood.

Only White Dragons are actually evil... from birth.

Personally, I'm expecting this thing to include Rainbow Dragons (reproduce by magic because they're all homosexual) and Transdragons (ex. a Blue who identifies as a Bronze) so they can say they're properly inclusive.

Armchair Gamer

#22
July 22, 2021, 11:59:41 AM
Quote from: Chris24601 on July 22, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
Only White Dragons are actually evil... from birth.

Personally, I'm expecting this thing to include Rainbow Dragons (reproduce by magic because they're all homosexual) and Transdragons (ex. a Blue who identifies as a Bronze) so they can say they're properly inclusive.

  Rainbow Dragons have precedent:

https://www.amazon.com/Revenge-Rainbow-Dragons-Endless-Adventure/dp/0880380217

tenbones

#23
July 22, 2021, 04:08:53 PM
And of course they want revenge...

it was right there in front of us all these decades.

HappyDaze

#24
July 22, 2021, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: tenbones on July 22, 2021, 08:48:08 AM
How is a Black Dragon inherently being evil in 5e not racist?

I mean c'mon!

And there is no representation of Yellow Dragons. My people are totally offended.
Perhaps Gold = Yellow?

Shasarak

#25
July 22, 2021, 05:28:36 PM
Quote from: HappyDaze on July 22, 2021, 04:30:19 PM
Quote from: tenbones on July 22, 2021, 08:48:08 AM
How is a Black Dragon inherently being evil in 5e not racist?

I mean c'mon!

And there is no representation of Yellow Dragons. My people are totally offended.
Perhaps Gold = Yellow?

The Bling Dragon?
Who da Drow?  U da drow! - hedgehobbit

There will be poor always,
pathetically struggling,
look at the good things you've got! -  Jesus

Jam The MF

#26
July 23, 2021, 01:58:09 PM
Quote from: Chris24601 on July 22, 2021, 11:14:07 AM
Quote from: tenbones on July 22, 2021, 08:48:08 AM
How is a Black Dragon inherently being evil in 5e not racist?

I mean c'mon!

And there is no representation of Yellow Dragons. My people are totally offended.
Red Dragons also need to be renamed Indigenous American Dragons so they won't be offensive... and 4/5 of the chromatic dragons aren't evil, they're just misunderstood.

Only White Dragons are actually evil... from birth.

Personally, I'm expecting this thing to include Rainbow Dragons (reproduce by magic because they're all homosexual) and Transdragons (ex. a Blue who identifies as a Bronze) so they can say they're properly inclusive.


"Only White Dragons Are Evil"

Well played!!!
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.
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