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Author Topic: From WOTC to Hasbro...  (Read 12845 times)

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #45 on: January 25, 2022, 07:54:14 AM »
I know that I'm opening up a can of worms here, but do we know what percentage of WotC's  D&D  sales are coming from 5E and what percentage has been coming from the sale of their back catalog as PDFs?
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #46 on: January 25, 2022, 09:37:59 AM »
Mistwell isn't a SJW.

At the very least he does a rather credible imitation of some of their more notable behaviors...
Do you like it when someone calls you alt-right, and when someone points out you're not, they backpedal and say you just do a rather credible imitation of some of their noteworthy behaviors?

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #47 on: January 25, 2022, 10:47:59 AM »
Mistwell isn't a SJW.

At the very least he does a rather credible imitation of some of their more notable behaviors...
Do you like it when someone calls you alt-right, and when someone points out you're not, they backpedal and say you just do a rather credible imitation of some of their noteworthy behaviors?
Feel free to compare Mistwell's ranting in this thread to the deranged screeds he's leveled at you in the Covid threads, Pat.

Then tell us he's not an SJW, or at least a reasonable facsimile.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #48 on: January 25, 2022, 01:17:29 PM »
Mistwell isn't a SJW.

At the very least he does a rather credible imitation of some of their more notable behaviors...
Do you like it when someone calls you alt-right, and when someone points out you're not, they backpedal and say you just do a rather credible imitation of some of their noteworthy behaviors?

My argument isn't with you, so I soft-pedaled my response. Obviously I made an error in doing so. My Bad.

(And if we are now trying to score rhetorical points off of one another; do note that I never outright called him an SJW - I simply said he provided a textbook case of SJW behavior...) ;)

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Re: Mistwell. My only interaction with him is largely through this forum, so it is all I have to make a judgment on.

Many of his talking points, and the way he responds are straight out of the SJW playbook. Especially the way he openly lies and misrepresents the positions of the people he is arguing against. And I am far from the only one to note his disingenuous responses...

Whatever he may say about not agreeing with certain SJW behaviors; he is most certainly in lock-step as a fellow traveler on others.

IMHO, the oft attributed quote to Lenin of: "The useful idiot." describes much of what he does to a 'T'...

So SJW, not SJW, whatever. Call him whatever you want.

I'll continue to call him out on his disingenuous BS towards me the same way I always have.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #49 on: January 25, 2022, 01:31:43 PM »

This pattern is similar to what Disney is doing with Marvel and Marvel Comics. Comics are utter trash but the IP and licensing profits are where the money is so Disney is just fine with letting SJW brigade run comics into the ground as long as the movies, tv shows, and other forms of media continue to generate net positive cash flow.

Then they ran it into the dirt and sales are starting to drop and reviews are starting to be increasingly less flattering.

They literally just had the second biggest movie ever, and that in the midst of an epic meltdown in that movie industry otherwise. I mean, I know people love to bloviant bullshit here but you're so astronomically full of shit on this topic.

Sony just had the second biggest movie ever. Don't be fooled by their association with Marvel: it is Sony who dictates what happens in the Spiderverse. See also Venom (I'm baffled by the success of the second movie, BTW. I like Tom Hardy, but it was a waste of Woody Harrelson and the plot was nonexistent).

I don't know what is happening to Sony, but they released the unwoke Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which was fine even if it was a copy of the original; most importantly, it obliterated the terrible 2016 movie from the continuity. They had a big success with the unwoke Venom 1 & 2. They are a key contributor to the gigantor success of the unwoke Spiderman series with Tom Holland.

Also, BBC lost the rights to Doctor Who (!) They now belong to the returning showrunner Russel T. Davies's company, which Davies promptly sold to... Sony. First rumor out of the gate: David Tennant could return as the Doctor (first return ever) for a period, to help to bridge the passage from woke-Who to normality.

Meanwhile, Disney's Marvel is dire. Wandavision started wonderfully and then sabotaged itself. Loki was terrible and a waste of Tom Hiddleston. Hawkeye was the usual bait-and-switch where you pimp a male lead for a female-centric story (see also the recent He Man). Shang-chi did fine (I didn't like it but it was not terrible). The uber-woke Eternals was a boring dumpster fire that fiascoed hard (I actually think that watching a real dumpster fire would have been more fun). And Disney even managed to do a mess with Black Widow - something that I didn't even know was possible - ending up losing half a billion on that movie alone (the only thing I remember from BW was that it had a really great prologue, with me writing in my head, in real time, a better story starting from that prologue alone).

So, no, Disney's MCU is flatlining and Disney+ is creaking. Interestingly enough, the New Year message from their CEO - about their moving forward strategy - announced that the public is their first investor or such, and so they must first keep in mind the happiness of the public. One can only wonder what their strategy was before...
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #50 on: January 25, 2022, 04:47:18 PM »
I don't know what is happening to Sony, but they released the unwoke Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which was fine even if it was a copy of the original; most importantly, it obliterated the terrible 2016 movie from the continuity. They had a big success with the unwoke Venom 1 & 2. They are a key contributor to the gigantor success of the unwoke Spiderman series with Tom Holland.
So, no, Disney's MCU is flatlining and Disney+ is creaking. Interestingly enough, the New Year message from their CEO - about their moving forward strategy - announced that the public is their first investor or such, and so they must first keep in mind the happiness of the public. One can only wonder what their strategy was before...

I'd say the recent Sony Spider-Man movies have been roughly as woke or un-woke as the Marvel-only MCU movies. Sony's "Into the Spider-verse" starred a black Spider-Man and had Spider-Gwen and a female Doc Ock  -- and the live-action films cast non-white actors Zendaya as MJ, Jacob Batoyon as Ned, and Tony Revolori as Flash. I haven't seen "No Way Home" yet, but the first two Tom Holland movies are seamless in continuity with the rest of the MCU films. I enjoyed them - they're in the top quarter of the MCU for me.

Monetarily, Disney stock has trended down recently - but that's after record-breaking profits and successes in recent years. It's unrealistic to expect ​that they continue the success of Endgame year over year, particularly in the pandemic era. In the U.S. box office, the top six films of 2021 were:

$573M   Spider-Man: No Way Home
$225M   Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
$213M   Venom: Let There Be Carnage
$184M   Black Widow
$173M   F9: The Fast Saga
$165M   Eternals

So Marvel-only had 3 of the top 6, plus they are involved in Spider-Man. In streaming, Disney Plus just launched at the end of 2019, and it already has 120 million subscribers. I haven't been impressed by their mini-series, but it's hard to call it a financial failure.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #51 on: January 25, 2022, 05:12:26 PM »
I don't know what is happening to Sony, but they released the unwoke Ghostbusters: Afterlife, which was fine even if it was a copy of the original; most importantly, it obliterated the terrible 2016 movie from the continuity. They had a big success with the unwoke Venom 1 & 2. They are a key contributor to the gigantor success of the unwoke Spiderman series with Tom Holland.
So, no, Disney's MCU is flatlining and Disney+ is creaking. Interestingly enough, the New Year message from their CEO - about their moving forward strategy - announced that the public is their first investor or such, and so they must first keep in mind the happiness of the public. One can only wonder what their strategy was before...

I'd say the recent Sony Spider-Man movies have been roughly as woke or un-woke as the Marvel-only MCU movies. Sony's "Into the Spider-verse" starred a black Spider-Man and had Spider-Gwen and a female Doc Ock  -- and the live-action films cast non-white actors Zendaya as MJ, Jacob Batoyon as Ned, and Tony Revolori as Flash. I haven't seen "No Way Home" yet, but the first two Tom Holland movies are seamless in continuity with the rest of the MCU films. I enjoyed them - they're in the top quarter of the MCU for me.

Monetarily, Disney stock has trended down recently - but that's after record-breaking profits and successes in recent years. It's unrealistic to expect ​that they continue the success of Endgame year over year, particularly in the pandemic era. In the U.S. box office, the top six films of 2021 were:

$573M   Spider-Man: No Way Home
$225M   Shang-Chi and the Legend of the Ten Rings
$213M   Venom: Let There Be Carnage
$184M   Black Widow
$173M   F9: The Fast Saga
$165M   Eternals

So Marvel-only had 3 of the top 6, plus they are involved in Spider-Man. In streaming, Disney Plus just launched at the end of 2019, and it already has 120 million subscribers. I haven't been impressed by their mini-series, but it's hard to call it a financial failure.

Of those top 6 which ones lost money? Let me give you a hint: They were made by Disney.

As fot the Tom Holland movies: I fucking hate them, I'm done with the gender bending/race swaping, fuck them.

Into the Spiderverse, tokenized Spider-Man... Hard Pass.

Is Disney about to fill for bankrupcy? NOPE

Are the American Comics being kept alive by their parent corporations due to low sales? YES

Is Disney/WB loosing money from merchandize? Nope, not yet, they don't produce the merchandize, they charge others for the privilege of producing it.

Will they have to lower the price of the merchandize licenses? Probably, if they manage to alienate enough customers.

Is WotC costing Hasbro money? Yes, but not enough for they to care and now with the new CEO being a woketard from WotC they will probably never care unless stock owners force them to.

Remember every alienated customer is sales you loose, plus his friends if they follow his advice. One happy customer recomends you with 3 people, and unhappy one with 10. Those are lost sales. But again, when you have megadollar megacorporations behind you you have the luxury to not care for a while, maybe forever if you constrain yourself and manage to not alienate that many customers.

Will WotC course correct? I doubt it and honestly I hope they don't.

BUT, IF Disney does course correct as some seem to think is to be expected due to recent discourses well all bets are off. IF Disney course corrects then I expect ALL entertainment companies to follow suit.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #52 on: January 25, 2022, 05:16:23 PM »
  If all of Hasboro now goes to promoting sodomy prom, wtf do I care?   I checked out of WOTC some time ago, and if pushing  gay prom rolls up their sales, good for them.   

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #53 on: January 25, 2022, 05:23:08 PM »
Mistwell isn't a SJW.

At the very least he does a rather credible imitation of some of their more notable behaviors...
Do you like it when someone calls you alt-right, and when someone points out you're not, they backpedal and say you just do a rather credible imitation of some of their noteworthy behaviors?
Feel free to compare Mistwell's ranting in this thread to the deranged screeds he's leveled at you in the Covid threads, Pat.

Then tell us he's not an SJW, or at least a reasonable facsimile.
You know what SJW warriors do? They call everyone who disagrees with them alt-right, or Nazis, or fascists. They assign them all the negative traits of whoever they consider to be their worst enemy.

Jaeger's doing the same thing, except using SJWs as the universal enemy.

I obviously am not a fan of Mistwell, who seems to have become unhinged lately, and has been targeting me. But painting everyone who disagrees with you as a fascist or a SJW doesn't help. Criticize people's arguments, or even their behavior. But don't put on the partisan blinders.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #54 on: January 25, 2022, 07:27:16 PM »
Mistwell isn't a SJW.

At the very least he does a rather credible imitation of some of their more notable behaviors...
Do you like it when someone calls you alt-right, and when someone points out you're not, they backpedal and say you just do a rather credible imitation of some of their noteworthy behaviors?
Feel free to compare Mistwell's ranting in this thread to the deranged screeds he's leveled at you in the Covid threads, Pat.

Then tell us he's not an SJW, or at least a reasonable facsimile.
You know what SJW warriors do? They call everyone who disagrees with them alt-right, or Nazis, or fascists. They assign them all the negative traits of whoever they consider to be their worst enemy.

Jaeger's doing the same thing, except using SJWs as the universal enemy.

I obviously am not a fan of Mistwell, who seems to have become unhinged lately, and has been targeting me. But painting everyone who disagrees with you as a fascist or a SJW doesn't help. Criticize people's arguments, or even their behavior. But don't put on the partisan blinders.
It's great that you're trying to offer him the benefit of the doubt. I actually admire you for that.

I think you're wrong, but I can't fault someone for sticking on principles.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #55 on: January 26, 2022, 02:28:51 AM »
I haven't seen "No Way Home" yet

You should see it, it's great! Definitely celebrates the past, celebrates heroism - straight white male heroism in this instance, but that's ok right?  ;D Even MJ, who previously seemed like an alien from Third Rock from the Sun, acts like a normal decent human being this time around.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #56 on: January 26, 2022, 05:00:11 AM »
As fot the Tom Holland movies: I fucking hate them, I'm done with the gender bending/race swaping, fuck them.

Into the Spiderverse, tokenized Spider-Man... Hard Pass.

In my book Into the Spiderverse was great. Wokeness has nothing to do with simple race/gender swapping, as these can be interesting variations to a trope. That movie explored the idea that there are infinite realities and each reality can express the concept of Spiderman in a different way. It was a rush, with great pacing and something new every minute.

I'm curious to see Denzel Washington's Macbeth even if a Scottish King was hardly black, because I'm interested in the actor's approach to the subject (the trailer looks really interesting). Fans of Doctor Who clamored for a female Doctor for decades. What destroyed it was not the gender swapping but how it launched a campaign of gender/identity politics that never belonged to Doctor Who (along with some truly dire writing).

To be clear, I also hated the gender/race swapping in Dune, Foundation, The Wheel of Time... The last two were absolute trash. I also have very bad feelings about Amazon's Lord of the Rings (where "Maori Hobbits" have already be rumbled about).
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #57 on: January 26, 2022, 12:05:01 PM »
I haven't seen "No Way Home" yet

You should see it, it's great! Definitely celebrates the past, celebrates heroism - straight white male heroism in this instance, but that's ok right?  ;D Even MJ, who previously seemed like an alien from Third Rock from the Sun, acts like a normal decent human being this time around.

Thanks. I intend to see it - I just don't usually see any movie right when it comes out. I'll probably see it next week in the theaters. (With television, I'll often wait years until after a series is over before I start watching it.)

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #58 on: January 26, 2022, 01:11:22 PM »
As fot the Tom Holland movies: I fucking hate them, I'm done with the gender bending/race swaping, fuck them.

Into the Spiderverse, tokenized Spider-Man... Hard Pass.

In my book Into the Spiderverse was great. Wokeness has nothing to do with simple race/gender swapping, as these can be interesting variations to a trope. That movie explored the idea that there are infinite realities and each reality can express the concept of Spiderman in a different way. It was a rush, with great pacing and something new every minute.

I'm curious to see Denzel Washington's Macbeth even if a Scottish King was hardly black, because I'm interested in the actor's approach to the subject (the trailer looks really interesting). Fans of Doctor Who clamored for a female Doctor for decades. What destroyed it was not the gender swapping but how it launched a campaign of gender/identity politics that never belonged to Doctor Who (along with some truly dire writing).

To be clear, I also hated the gender/race swapping in Dune, Foundation, The Wheel of Time... The last two were absolute trash. I also have very bad feelings about Amazon's Lord of the Rings (where "Maori Hobbits" have already be rumbled about).
Amazon did know that Arda also includes equivalents of Africa, Asia, and Australia, right? Did they just not care to have characters from those places show up? Numenor is supposed to be the capital of an empire, so it would make sense they'd have embassies from those places and colonies in those places. It's an easy way to include characters from non-white races and cultures, including Maori, and tie them into politics.

(It's strange. They didn't racebend Shadow & Bone very much, and when they did they typically noted it. The heroine is mixed race and suffers from racism... the execution was not great and wrecked the escapism.)

The problem with the eastern and southern kingdoms is that canonically they worshiped Morgoth and that will not go over well in today's market. It's one of the few things I'm okay with adaptations being flexible with. You could make a series of movies, or tv shows, about the Blue Wizards helping the people of the true faith overthrow the wicked Morgoth cult.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #59 on: January 26, 2022, 02:44:57 PM »
5e actually has been holding up very well AFAICT - it has great 'legs', which seems to have been part of the (Mearls-led) plan 2012-14. While I don't think Crawford's recent messing around with 5e has helped sales, I doubt it has impacted sales much either. I don't think his more Woke recent material has sold particularly well, but I don't think that has harmed the overall bottom line very much yet either.

Crawfords been messing with 5e since practically the get-go. If you ask him and Mearls a question about the rules. Odds are very high that Crawford will answer the near diametric opposite of Mearls. This was apparent early on in 5es release. After that he seemed to settle down for a while, with brief flare-ups. Then recently hes been pushing more and more stuff thats impacting the bottom line one way or another.

Why? Who knows. Some of his answers remind me a bit of that woman who for a time ran the Q&A section of Dragon and deliberately gave bad answers because she wanted to discourage kids staying inside playing RPGs when they should be outside.