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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #15 on: January 21, 2022, 05:07:39 PM »
Oh fuck Off you disingenuous SJW twats.

Your allowed to be stereotypical SJW Wokescolds and tell everyone and anyone what yo say and think, whether they want to hear it or not. Even if they did nothing wrong, sometimes just for having a difference of opinion. While also crafting carefully constructed personal narratives where if it includes anything that goes against to be summarily ignored and cancelled.

So take your Normie victim narrative virtue signalling pearl clutching bullshit  and shove it as far up your anal retentive asses.


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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #16 on: January 21, 2022, 05:18:44 PM »
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #17 on: January 21, 2022, 05:45:47 PM »
The gist of the thread, is that the person who will be running Hasbro really soon; is the same person who was leading WOTC as they undertook the wokification of D&D 5E, the rewrite of their past content, and the demonization of traditional D&D lore.

Almost everything they did involved MTG.

I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

Spoiler: They don't keep track, and they also don't care if they're correct or not, they just want a place to put their own special brand of incel virtue signalling and this place offers it for them.

Whatever you think of the crowd here, "incel" has never struck me in any way as an accurate representation of the people who frequent this board.  They are on average, 1) not young, 2) consider themselves plenty able to attract sexual partners (and are often married), and 3) are in no way hostile toward people who are sexually active.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #18 on: January 21, 2022, 07:05:08 PM »
The gist of the thread, is that the person who will be running Hasbro really soon; is the same person who was leading WOTC as they undertook the wokification of D&D 5E, the rewrite of their past content, and the demonization of traditional D&D lore.

Almost everything they did involved MTG.

I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

Spoiler: They don't keep track, and they also don't care if they're correct or not, they just want a place to put their own special brand of incel virtue signalling and this place offers it for them.

Whatever you think of the crowd here, "incel" has never struck me in any way as an accurate representation of the people who frequent this board.  They are on average, 1) not young, 2) consider themselves plenty able to attract sexual partners (and are often married), and 3) are in no way hostile toward people who are sexually active.

Greetings!

Yeah, Mistwell! That's right. Come to think of it--I can't think of anyone here who isn't married or has a girlfriend. Maybe a bare few don't. Everyone else though seems to be doing just fine with women.

"Incel". *Laughing* What a moron.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #19 on: January 21, 2022, 07:35:24 PM »
The gist of the thread, is that the person who will be running Hasbro really soon; is the same person who was leading WOTC as they undertook the wokification of D&D 5E, the rewrite of their past content, and the demonization of traditional D&D lore.

Almost everything they did involved MTG.

I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

Spoiler: They don't keep track, and they also don't care if they're correct or not, they just want a place to put their own special brand of incel virtue signalling and this place offers it for them.

I routinely come here to get a full bore view of what is being said in unmoderated disussion groups and I am frequenly entertained by the dumbest fucking takes in the world by doing so such as all the bitching and crying over how things are going woke and how they somehow think that their insular reactionary bubble clearly MUST represent the majority opinion even in the face of proof that WotC and D&D is doing better as a gaming brand than literally any other gaming IP in history with the sole exception of Pokemon... which WotC is also responsible for kickstarting.

To speak of the dumbest fucking takes you should be careful not to be one of the dumbest fucking morons ever to grace this forum. And I'll prove you are, because assertions aren't enough:

Reactionary is a person that's part of the establishment and is reacting against changes in the status quo.

WotC is the status quo, and it's totally woke. Like most of the megacorporations, media and politicians. Therefore those who oppose the woke can't be reactionaries, we're the revolution, you are the establishment; and you're deadly affraid because you know your hold in the society is tenuous and slipping through your fingers every minute.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #20 on: January 21, 2022, 08:36:46 PM »
Cocks is the guy spearheading the "D&D as Lifestyle" for casual gamers.

I think he's doing really well. Given the fact that neutering what D&D was to being the McDonalds of TTRPGs is no small feat. But it also speaks precisely to what D&D is and will be going forward.

It should surprise *no one* here.

Thing is. So far all WOTC's "lifestyle" gig has been nothing but chirping a buzzword and essentially monetizing fan works. You know. Those things that have been around pretty much forever and well before RPG? Yeah, those.

So far WOTC has done less than TSR ever did.
At least two action figure lines.
At least one candy brand.
A few toys like Colorforms.
Colouringbooks.
Childrens books.
Mugs, pencils, and a few oddities.

And I am not counting actual game products like dice, minis, novels, wargames, board games or PC games.

WOTC has so far produced surprisingly little.
Colouring books (but only as obscure PDFs as of last check?)
Childrens books (also only as obscure PDFs only?)
Mugs, Pencils and alot of oddieties like plushes. A large majority of which turns out to be essentially fan crafting that WOTC is licensing somehow.

I am honestly surprised at the lack of action figures and toys.

They talk the talk but dont walk the walk.

Which is weird because they have access to Hasbro. Then again the longer they posture but dont act. The better.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #21 on: January 21, 2022, 08:48:59 PM »
I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

1: But are they doing as well now that they have started fucking with everything as they did on 5e's release?

No.

Sales of new books are not as grand as prior. And theres been a small, but notable drop off with each new and more woke proclaimed product. Which often turns out to be not as woke as they crow. Sometimes very not.

WOTC is still riding the wave of 5e's ealy success and goodwill. But that wave is losing momentum and WOTC is hellbent on making it lose momentum faster. Perhaps they think they can leech off the licensing deals. But how long can they suck the life from that before it gives up the ghost.

2: More than a few here have near pavlovian rabid reactions to anything WOTC does and tend to blow even the slightest rumor out of proportion.
Whats really hilarious is that these woke companies are playing them like puppets. They toss out just enough buzzwords to get em frothing a the mouth. Then the actual product barely has the things claimed would be there.

Marketing banks on this.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #22 on: January 21, 2022, 09:39:31 PM »
I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

1: But are they doing as well now that they have started fucking with everything as they did on 5e's release?

No.

Sales of new books are not as grand as prior. And theres been a small, but notable drop off with each new and more woke proclaimed product.

I don't have any sales figures, but from what I've read of industry professionals, *every* RPG has a drop off as the edition continues. There's always far less interest in the 17th supplement for an edition than in the core books. This is known as the "Supplement Treadmill" in RPG publishing.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/2846/roleplaying-games/thought-of-the-day-supplement-treadmill

The fundamental problem is that an RPG's market saturates fairly quickly. After people have bought the core books, they don't tend to buy at the same rate. Even successful new supplement lines only appeal to a fraction of the player base - and the base tends to get more and more fragmented into different settings or variants, which means smaller and smaller sales.

The big question is - how does the 5e dropoff compare to other edition dropoffs? I don't know that directly. The WotC stockholder profit reports sound quite positive. Do you have other information sources on sales, Omega?

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #23 on: January 21, 2022, 09:57:34 PM »
I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

1: But are they doing as well now that they have started fucking with everything as they did on 5e's release?

No.

Sales of new books are not as grand as prior. And theres been a small, but notable drop off with each new and more woke proclaimed product.

I don't have any sales figures, but from what I've read of industry professionals, *every* RPG has a drop off as the edition continues. There's always far less interest in the 17th supplement for an edition than in the core books. This is known as the "Supplement Treadmill" in RPG publishing.

https://thealexandrian.net/wordpress/2846/roleplaying-games/thought-of-the-day-supplement-treadmill

The fundamental problem is that an RPG's market saturates fairly quickly. After people have bought the core books, they don't tend to buy at the same rate. Even successful new supplement lines only appeal to a fraction of the player base - and the base tends to get more and more fragmented into different settings or variants, which means smaller and smaller sales.

The big question is - how does the 5e dropoff compare to other edition dropoffs? I don't know that directly. The WotC stockholder profit reports sound quite positive. Do you have other information sources on sales, Omega?

Off course you're going to ignore or pretend to not know WotC's bread and butter is MtG and not D&D.

Marvel Comics sell like shit, and yet Marvel IS making money hand over fists thanks to the movies, toys, etc. One division under Disney is going broke but kept afloat by all the other divisions; therefore Marvel Comics isn't going broke according to you.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #24 on: January 21, 2022, 10:00:30 PM »
The gist of the thread, is that the person who will be running Hasbro really soon; is the same person who was leading WOTC as they undertook the wokification of D&D 5E, the rewrite of their past content, and the demonization of traditional D&D lore.

Almost everything they did involved MTG.

I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

Care to provide any quote qhere someone is saying what you claim we're saying?

As far as I know nobody here has said WotC is going broke, because we know they make more money from MtG AND licensing than from D&D. What people here HAVE said is that new D&D books (settings, etc.) are not selling that good. Because everything woke turns into shit.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #25 on: January 21, 2022, 10:14:38 PM »
The gist of the thread, is that the person who will be running Hasbro really soon; is the same person who was leading WOTC as they undertook the wokification of D&D 5E, the rewrite of their past content, and the demonization of traditional D&D lore.

Almost everything they did involved MTG.

I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

Spoiler: They don't keep track, and they also don't care if they're correct or not, they just want a place to put their own special brand of incel virtue signalling and this place offers it for them.

I routinely come here to get a full bore view of what is being said in unmoderated disussion groups and I am frequenly entertained by the dumbest fucking takes in the world by doing so such as all the bitching and crying over how things are going woke and how they somehow think that their insular reactionary bubble clearly MUST represent the majority opinion even in the face of proof that WotC and D&D is doing better as a gaming brand than literally any other gaming IP in history with the sole exception of Pokemon... which WotC is also responsible for kickstarting.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #26 on: January 21, 2022, 10:21:58 PM »
I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

1: But are they doing as well now that they have started fucking with everything as they did on 5e's release?

No.

Yes. UNQUESTIONABLY yes. We know this, with certainty. It's doing WAY WAY WAY better than when 5e was released. We have solid quarterly reports on that, which are covered by FTC truth in statement reports. Their total D&D sales per year have gone WAY up over time. They JUST had their biggest year ever, and the year prior to that was also a biggest year ever to date.

That you think it's doing worse now than at the beginning of 5e just shows once again the people who post here have no fucking idea what's actually going on in the RPG world. It would be pretty fucking impossible to be under the belief it's doing worse now than at the beginning of 5e if you were doing anything other than living under a metaphorical RPG rock.

I also think the people who post here just don't even think about digital sales anymore. Which is ironic since for indie games digital sales are the gold standard and indie games are discussed a ton here. But when it comes to WOTC, I think that thought just goes right out of people's minds.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #27 on: January 21, 2022, 10:52:02 PM »
The big question is - how does the 5e dropoff compare to other edition dropoffs? I don't know that directly. The WotC stockholder profit reports sound quite positive. Do you have other information sources on sales, Omega?

Off course you're going to ignore or pretend to not know WotC's bread and butter is MtG and not D&D.

As I said, I don't have direct evidence. However, it sounds like your premise is that WotC are completely incompetent and losing tons of money stupidly in their D&D business, while making huge profits in the MtG business. That seems less likely to me than their being at least reasonably competent in their D&D marketing.

This has nothing to do with personal taste or moral judgements. There are tons of corporations whose products and/or business practices I hate - but I still acknowledge that they are successful at making money.

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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #28 on: January 21, 2022, 11:10:27 PM »
I mean what is so fucking hilarious about this thread is people who routinely claim, "Get Woke Go Broke" is a real thing are simultaneously trying to argue that WOTC - which has done INCREDIBLY well in recent years, far better than Hasbro itself - is also too woke and going broke because of it.

I don't even think you fuckers keep track of which positions you take anymore.

1: But are they doing as well now that they have started fucking with everything as they did on 5e's release?

No.

Yes. UNQUESTIONABLY yes. We know this, with certainty. It's doing WAY WAY WAY better than when 5e was released. We have solid quarterly reports on that, which are covered by FTC truth in statement reports. Their total D&D sales per year have gone WAY up over time. They JUST had their biggest year ever, and the year prior to that was also a biggest year ever to date.

That you think it's doing worse now than at the beginning of 5e just shows once again the people who post here have no fucking idea what's actually going on in the RPG world. It would be pretty fucking impossible to be under the belief it's doing worse now than at the beginning of 5e if you were doing anything other than living under a metaphorical RPG rock.

I also think the people who post here just don't even think about digital sales anymore. Which is ironic since for indie games digital sales are the gold standard and indie games are discussed a ton here. But when it comes to WOTC, I think that thought just goes right out of people's minds.

At the launch of D&D 5E; there were 3 core books, a 2 volume adventure, and the Starter Set to drive numbers.  Many other adventure books have released in the numerous years since; plus 2 additional monster manuals, a handful of setting books, a handful of rules expansion books, a new boxed adventure for new players, multiple DM Screens, and more.  Just looking at print sales alone, there is now an entire catalog of offerings on the market.  I'm sure "total" book sales numbers might be higher right now, than they were at the first launch of 5E; but what about comparing just the sales numbers of the core 3 books over time?  That's a better indicator of the growth of the player base.

The PHB, MM, and DMG sales numbers indicate the growth of the player base.  At least the serious players, anyway.
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Re: From WOTC to Hasbro...
« Reply #29 on: January 22, 2022, 01:15:08 AM »
The big question is - how does the 5e dropoff compare to other edition dropoffs? I don't know that directly. The WotC stockholder profit reports sound quite positive. Do you have other information sources on sales, Omega?

Off course you're going to ignore or pretend to not know WotC's bread and butter is MtG and not D&D.

As I said, I don't have direct evidence. However, it sounds like your premise is that WotC are completely incompetent and losing tons of money stupidly in their D&D business, while making huge profits in the MtG business. That seems less likely to me than their being at least reasonably competent in their D&D marketing.

This has nothing to do with personal taste or moral judgements. There are tons of corporations whose products and/or business practices I hate - but I still acknowledge that they are successful at making money.

Care to point exactly where I say they are loosing money on D&D let alone stupidly loosing tons of it?

I just pointed to the fact that WotC makes lots more money from MtG, ergo it's their bread and butter. Everything else you pulled out of your ass to build a strawman. And you can't even do that right...
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