Quote from: GameDaddy;992327Ayup. Have to say I'm with Mike on this. DF has been, in my opinion, very disrespectful of the folks from TSR these last few years that posted on their message Forums with Gary, and even after Gary was gone. The former TSR folks and old guard have went out of their way to make themselves available to answer every legit and stupid question posted over there, although admittedly, not always being polite with their responses. I'm not always polite in my responses, and have no trouble outing retards who really want to be retarded, and do retarded stuff like, on purpose like. Being older, I don't even want to make time for such folks anymore.

If your whole shtick is pretending to be more Gygaxian than Gygax himself and his most loyal retainers, you're eventually going to paint yourself into a corner when time and time again it's shown that the old hands weren't so anal retentive. Every time an old timer like Mentzer, Kask or others won't follow the K&K Klan party line, and show annoyance with the more fucktarded Alehouse Assholes, they can expect to be attacked and trolled by these miscreants.

I still don't condone the response from "exTSR" though.

i can't believe there's a bunch of bullshit drama on the internet
that usually doesn't happen

Quote from: Elfdart;992475Kask.

A source of endless wisdom Indeed.

http://lordofthegreendragons.blogspot.it/2010/07/guest-editorial-by-timothy-kask.html?m=1

Quote from: Elfdart;992366That's quite rich, coming from a K&K Klansman who is also a mod on DF. See, when I mocked one of your fellow Alehouse Assholes on DF in a very similar way, I was treated to a temp-ban for a "personal attack", followed by a cringing e-mail from the head honcho admitting that he lied and there was no "personal attack". Maybe you should temp-ban yourself for this "personal attack".

I don't condone Mentzer's PM (and have already ridiculed him for it), but while it's commendable DF didn't just roll over for him, it's not commendable if you and other mods roll over for the K&K Klan.

To bad you didn't save the email.

Quote from: Warboss Squee;992558To bad you didn't save the email.

Don't be silly! Of course I saved it.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;992522i can't believe there's a bunch of bullshit drama on the internet
that usually doesn't happen

;)

So we done here? All the feces thrown and penises measured?


Ulairi, are you going to post again when additional information regarding the setting/Kickstarter is forthcoming?

I remember seeing the map of Empyrea in Egg of the Phoenix as a teenager in the 80s and thinking it was quite evocative. And Frank Mentzer deserves a lot of credit, along with Holmes, for writing a version of D&D that was playable as written.

But shitting the proverbial forum bed in the very community that would be interested in his products is not the way to launch a kickstarter....

I think Frank's responses have been mild.  But I think he's mostly fucked in the head for even dealing with gamers.  I left the hobby for 15 years after five years of dealing with assholes like DF, and you would have to pay me SERIOUS money -- as in, $200 per hour or more -- to get me to do any sort of work in the game industry again.

Long gone but just had to stick up for Frank, even if he sent that PM which paints him as a real a**hat and justifiably would support a ban, I suspect it was not un-provoked and would not be surprised if he was piled on by mods, mod-pets and sock-puppets; or even if there was a call to arms from the bunker like in the days of old.   Wouldn't be surprised if there was a sociopath in the DF fold who framed Frank, it seems a ripe environment for such a person.  

Just a long way of saying, don't know Frank but people who do seem to speak for his character that even if he did this, it wasn't out of no where and based on nothing, even though it is whiny, but heck ETOB sounds like even more of a whiny bitch.  Frank may be a has-been but EOTB is a never-was.
 
Do know the history of DF, the "onetrueway" crowd there, and the double standards of behavior applied to those who follow the party line and those who do not.   So doubt they have clean hands in this.

Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;992660I think Frank's responses have been mild.  But I think he's mostly fucked in the head for even dealing with gamers.  I left the hobby for 15 years after five years of dealing with assholes like DF, and you would have to pay me SERIOUS money -- as in, $200 per hour or more -- to get me to do any sort of work in the game industry again.

I'm sure you've turned down many offer of $199/hour.

Quote from: Dumarest;992677I'm sure you've turned down many offer of $199/hour.

Yep.  Have to use squadrons of pikemen to keep them away.

Banning someone from the TSR era is a rite of passage for RPG forums. It's too bad Dave Trampier died young; I'm sure he could have scored some really high-quality bans.

Quote from: fearsomepirate;992687Banning someone from the TSR era is a rite of passage for RPG forums. It's too bad Dave Trampier died young; I'm sure he could have scored some really high-quality bans.

I keep petitioning them to ban Gronan just for being associated with olden days of RPGs but they keep telling me his pee-hole hasn't been tongued enough times yet.

"Tastes good, and so good for you!"