Quote from: Gronan of Simmerya;1002686Moving away from this specifically, to a more general case.

Speaking as somebody who's now 62... it's a fucking hell of a shock to wake up one morning and realize you're not the apex predator any more.  This is exacerbated by our society's idolization of youth, which, ironically, the Baby Boomers started.  And there's really no established way of dealing with it.  The "wise ancient sage" image is no longer part of our cultural heritage.

It's been especially blatant when I spend any time at church events with a significant number of Dakota/Lakota/Nakota people; they treat their eldest members with the greatest of respect.

So, I'd summarize as "I used to be large and in charge and I'm not ready to be thrown on the dung heap, dammit!"

But that's just one fat old white guy's personal opinion, not worth the electrons it's written on.

A Generation or Three ago us white folk treated our elders with respect as well. I suspect the same fate will befall the Lakota elders in a a few more generations. We're just a few gen ahead of most other cultures on that trend.

Quote from: Gwarh;1002958A Generation or Three ago us white folk treated our elders with respect as well. I suspect the same fate will befall the Lakota elders in a a few more generations. We're just a few gen ahead of most other cultures on that trend.

Latinos are not far behind you.

Guys if you want to talk about stuff relevant to Empyrea go ahead, but keep the political stuff out of the main forum please.

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1002961Guys if you want to talk about stuff relevant to Empyrea go ahead, but keep the political stuff out of the main forum please.

Should probably move the topic as Frank Mentzer/Empyrea has become politicized.

As with any of these industry posts, a certain amount of rumor and discussion is going to occur. We are generally pretty flexible on that point. But this is rapidly becoming about peripheral political topics. If you can't restrain yourself from talking about that in thread, then post elsewhere. The main forum is for talking about RPGs and for industry discussion. Not for general political discussions.

Quote from: sureshot;1002906After being banned from Paizo a few months back it was nice to see them hoisted by is own petard.

http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uokq?I-am-very-disturbed-to-hear-the-allegations

The Revolution always eats its own.

Yeah, after the harm they've done it's hard not to feel some schadenfreude as the Red Guards come for them too, now. This is why smart publishers (& sites) maintain a strict 'no politics' rule. Once you start down the slippery slope, you end up in the maw of the Sarlacc.

Edit: I think this thread should be moved over to Pundit's Forum. With the Kickstarter dead there's only politics left to discuss.

Quote from: S'mon;1002977http://paizo.com/threads/rzs2uokq?I-am-very-disturbed-to-hear-the-allegations

The Revolution always eats its own.

#METOO comes to the Paizo forums it seems.

Quote from: Gwarh;1002980#METOO comes to the Paizo forums it seems.

Frog God offers apology:
http://www.talesofthefroggod.com/forum/response-frog-god-games-events-social-media

Quote from: BedrockBrendan;1002969As with any of these industry posts, a certain amount of rumor and discussion is going to occur. We are generally pretty flexible on that point. But this is rapidly becoming about peripheral political topics. If you can't restrain yourself from talking about that in thread, then post elsewhere. The main forum is for talking about RPGs and for industry discussion. Not for general political discussions.

I sympathise, but if you don't want political discussion, then stop giving free passes to instigators. There's some outrageous claims being made in this thread  which are basically being allowed to stand because of "no politics". Show some principle.

Quote from: John Scott;1002922That's exactly what happens when you have a totalitarian mindset. In Stalin's Russia if you didn't agree you where taken care of with a bullet in the head. In rpgnet they insta ban you, no questions asked, and please note that both where supposedly fighting for "the good of minorities". That was the marketing trick they used. The same that sjw use today.

In the sexual harassment thread you mention, according to one of the rpg.net members one of the mods there is actually a child rapist?!

Anyway back to game discussions the reason I joined the site in the first place.

Yep, I got thread banned by a mod who 5 hours later was accused of rape. Good times.

IMO the Tao of D&D nailed it with his call on Mentzer and his ilk:

"Mentzer just happens to be one of these that is still alive: but looking at his recent failed attempt at a kickstarter, it is clear it was just going to be more of the same, more derivative re-tellings of two-dimensional settings and stories, plastered with the same artwork available everywhere on Google.  In a computer age, when bookstores are dying and the tablet rules, it was Mentzer's idea to build his new Empyrea kickstarter and really well made 200-page tomes fashioned of good, high quality paper.

These were not bright guys.  They were lucky guys.  And in a way, they were very unlucky guys, depending on one's perspective and what they might have done if they had not sold their souls to stay in the game, whatever the cost.  These are not guys who went to the cons thinking of how they were building their careers towards a greater future.  These were guys going to the cons because they had nothing else.  The adulation they got from the budgies (fans with bobbling, piercing, darting eyes) was the only thing that made these guys feel alive.

Some, like Mentzer, let it convince them that they were somehow important to the industry; that their word could make or break the careers of other people ~ and they made that threat to hundreds of people, in the hubris of feeling self-righteous.  It was the budgies that made them feel that way; who tricked them, with their adoration, into feeling that they deserved that adoration ... but in fact, most of these guys are just lazy, dull, repulsive old men, sitting on cheap chairs and pretending they are thrones.

Quote from: Fiasco;1003025Some, like Mentzer, let it convince them that they were somehow important to the industry; that their word could make or break the careers of other people...

Which is true, and ironic, since Jessica Price has enormous power in the RPG industry - she can stretch forth her hand and destroy pretty much any life she chooses - and Frank Mentzer has none.

Quote from: S'mon;1003032Which is true, and ironic, since Jessica Price has enormous power in the RPG industry - she can stretch forth her hand and destroy pretty much any life she chooses - and Frank Mentzer has none.

I never heard of her before this debacle.  What RPG did she write?

Quote from: Dumarest;1003034I never heard of her before this debacle.  What RPG did she write?

She doesn't need to write RPGs.

Until recently she was a Paizo employee for quite a few years. I believe she contributed to a setting book on Qadira (a country in Paizo's in-house setting) but mostly she was known as the most active and committed SJW on their forums.

Quote from: S'mon;1003040She doesn't need to write RPGs.

Until recently she was a Paizo employee for quite a few years. I believe she contributed to a setting book on Qadira (a country in Paizo's in-house setting) but mostly she was known as the most active and committed SJW on their forums.

Does she have a real job? Not kidding, I'm curious why she is apparently famous.