Quote from: Christopher Brady;993216There's not much more to it, we'd need more news to chew on.

Okay then, I guess that was basically a press release and then it turned into an episode of Dallas as played out by nerds on blogs and fora. Cool.

I'm not really interested but got sucked in momentarily and saw that Mr. Mentzer is claiming he never sent the private message and his account was hacked: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/the-pm-that-got-frank-mentzer-banned.html?m=1

Weird stuff.

Quote from: P & P;993166Not here to do that; this is the RPGsite.  It divides into people who already like Dragonsfoot, people who already hate it, people who aren't interested in 1e, and people who I wouldn't want to see there.

That's only partially true.  

We have MANY fans of pre-TSR/OSR products here and MANY lurkers who know nothing about Dragonsfoot.

It's being presented as a shitshow, but I've been a DF member for many years and that's RARELY the impression I get there.

Quote from: Dumarest;993182Is this thread going to talk about "Empyrea" at all?

I would be interested in hearing more about Empyrea.

Has anyone played in Frank's campaigns in the past? Any references to this Empyrea in any of his other works?

Quote from: Spinachcat;993221It's being presented as a shitshow, but I've been a DF member for many years and that's RARELY the impression I get there.

FWIW, I've also posted at both Dragonsfoot and the Knights & Knaves Alehouse for years, and I've never had a problem. :shrugs:

QuoteHas anyone played in Frank's campaigns in the past? Any references to this Empyrea in any of his other works?

I have not, but I think some of other stuff was drawn from his campaign (e.g. Egg of the Phoenix). My impression is that Empyrea has been around as his home campaign, in some form, for a long time. I recall him talking about plans to publish it through the previous company he was involved with (Eldritch Enterprises?), too.

Quote from: Dumarest;993220Okay then, I guess that was basically a press release and then it turned into an episode of Dallas as played out by nerds on blogs and fora. Cool.

I'm not really interested but got sucked in momentarily and saw that Mr. Mentzer is claiming he never sent the private message and his account was hacked: http://www.tenkarstavern.com/2017/09/the-pm-that-got-frank-mentzer-banned.html?m=1

Weird stuff.

That's an insult to Dallas.

Quote from: Dumarest;993182Is this thread going to talk about "Empyrea" at all?

I don't really have much to say about it.  The press release didn't get me excited. Frank is a well known game designer. Neither of these facts really needs a lot more discussion.

Quote from: DavetheLost;993236I don't really have much to say about it.  The press release didn't get me excited. Frank is a well known game designer. Neither of these facts really needs a lot more discussion.

Seems like it should've been over in tbe advertising section rather than discussion section, then. Eh. I have Mr. Mentzer's Basic. I think it does a good job introducing RPGs to new players. I don't really find the described Empyrea setting interesting at all, but then I'm not really the target audience I guess.

Quote from: Willmark;993164But in the K&K Taliban's eyes that doesn't matter because he just "revised" someone else's work? (Aka one of the threads at DF where numerous K&K Taliban dog-piled about which number should be assigned to his "revision".) All of that is a bit rich considering Gary' relation with Dave and the origins of the game. But hey Taliban, keep up your selective hero worshiping!

...Franks biggest accomplishment was a derivative work and thus worthy of scorn? Seems to me that OSR is entirely predicated on derivative work.

I noted these ironies as well.

Quote from: Celestial;993231That's an insult to Dallas.

Trying to carry on without Larry Hagman was an insult to Dallas.

Quote from: Spinachcat;993142BTW, for the rest of you, DF is a solid place for AD&D ideas and LOTS of free downloads of fan material.

I've heard this many times but when I checked out DF's downloads I found only Turcotte's material worthwhile, the rest was uninspired and mediocre, what did I miss? Any recommendations?

As Baulderstone noted elsewhere there is far more good gaming material produced on a weekly basis via blogs and G+

Quote from: Voros;993249I've heard this many times but when I checked out DF's downloads I found only Turcotte's material worthwhile, the rest was uninspired and meiocre, what did I miss? Any recommendations?

As Baulderstone noted elsewhere there is far more good gaming material produced on a weekly basis via blogs and G+

Hm, I tend to agree, most DF stuff is very "Dungeon Magazine 1989" - ie not great. Basicfantasy.org has nice free stuff though.
I do use some of the character sheets on DF.

Quote from: PP;993166...people who aren't interested in 1e...

So DF is exclusively for those interested in 1e only? So why have the subforum for 'classic' D&D or 2e? Or the Q&A threads with heretics like Zeb Cook, Bruce Heard and Tracy Hickman?

Better get cracking updating the forum guidelines that say DF is for 'TSR era D&D' so no one not interested only in 1e will waste their time there.

While you're at it might as well merge with KKA, no point in having two forums dedicated exclusively to 'Gygaxian' D&D. Then you can march arm in arm together into a Golden Future of Purity in the Light of the One True Way.

Quote from: Voros;993256So DF is exclusively for those interested in 1e only?

No, the main focus on DF is TSR D&D, including everything up through 2e. There are separate forums for discussing the various editions.

QuoteBetter get cracking updating the forum guidelines that say DF is for 'TSR era D&D' so no one not interested only in 1e will waste their time there.

If you're only interested in 1e, then sticking to DF's 1e forum is a good way to handle that. I spend most of my time at DF in the 1e and General forums. There's an original D&D subforum, too, but it's not very active.

QuoteWhile you're at it might as well merge with KKA, no point in having two forums dedicated exclusively to 'Gygaxian' D&D. Then you can march arm in arm together into a Golden Future of Purity in the Light of the One True Way.

The alehouse is mainly focused on 1e, although there's also good discussion to be had in the original D&D forums. It's not at all focused on B/X, BECMI, or 2e. If you want to discuss those, other sites are better choices.

Personally, I don't see a problem with a site having a specific focus. Keeps the signal to noise ratio high, if that's what you're interested in. I don't see it being about "one true wayism," as much as "this is what we like and what we talk about, here." No big deal, IMO.

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Not sure who your post was addressed to as I clearly knew about the subforums on DF as I referred to them in the very post you responded to.

My point is that if DF is now just for 1e which the mod posting here clearly believes they should change the forum guidelines.

I can't see the point of two website forums dedicated to 1e with many of the same posters on both sites jerking each other off. But if you boys want to enjoy your 'No One But 1e' clubhouse you should change the sign out front.

Sorry I missed/ruined your joke.

FWIW, As someone with no real knowledge of DF, I actually found it informative.