Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 07:14:50 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 07:00:56 PM
Woke publication Wired > RPGers are prejudiced against "neurodivergent" people. Because reasons.
Pundit > "Will you look at the idiots!"
Me > ROTFLMAO!

None of which is true so Wired is just making stuff up?  Great.

WIRED just making shit up? Say it ain't so!

Escalating social misunderstandings into lucrative virtue-signal grifts never required a degree in journalism.

However, they/them may never realize how they/them became barista-slaves in student-loan manacles only to service pseudo-academic egos; one must first be unable to trust your professors, which is beyond mere taboo of a question to fathom.

Besides, business can never be taken so personally. Money is as Money does, as all wise parents teach their children.

Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
In my experience the TTRPG community has a proportionally higher number of neurodivergent folks than most hobbies or society at large.

Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.

Games and comicbooks helped me survive some rough times in childhood, and being in the hobbies, I saw many, many people with emotional and neurodivergent problems, finding legitimate safe spaces in fandom.

So it boils my piss that since the 'inclusive' brigade inserted themselves in geekdom, they have pushed out all of the people that already existed in the spaces as 'problematic.' Oh you're an Autistic kid that can't keep up with the shifting pronouns? Then GTFO of the hobby, bigot.

Where do the young, socially awkward kids go now? And no, dressing like a clown and constantly screaming about your identity is not socially awkward, it's narcissism.

I used to be a lawyer and have moved into the mental health field, and "neurodivergence" has become a term so broad in use that it has little meaning. Some in the mental health field are obsessed with divining the physiological aspects of mental health conditions and addictions, but many of them are not trained in the hard sciences and do not understand causation and correlation. A paper will be published by an MD/PhD research team that is very narrow in focus, and too many without even mediocre training/education will take the findings and run with it far beyond the scope of the original research.

"Neurodivergent" is also the favorite term of people who self-diagnose using WebMD or other health websites, and it clearly has become a sword as well as shield for too many, so as to label themselves and excuse (not just explain) their difficulties. I wish this had never entered popular culture. There are plenty of people out there using "neurodivergent" to encompass pretty much anything within the DSM-5, and based on various surveys and such, this possibly means that a majority of Americans are neurodivergent, which is about as Lake Wobegon as you can get. Divergent from what??

Quote from: Grognard GM on May 06, 2023, 07:36:16 PM

Quote from: Festus on May 06, 2023, 11:44:58 AM
In my experience the TTRPG community has a proportionally higher number of neurodivergent folks than most hobbies or society at large.

Giving this author a generous benefit of the doubt, perhaps the issue she sees is that the more "mainstream" folks new to the hobby are less tolerant of people on the spectrum. As the hobby goes mainstream it picks up mainstream problems.

Games and comicbooks helped me survive some rough times in childhood, and being in the hobbies, I saw many, many people with emotional and neurodivergent problems, finding legitimate safe spaces in fandom.

So it boils my piss that since the 'inclusive' brigade inserted themselves in geekdom, they have pushed out all of the people that already existed in the spaces as 'problematic.' Oh you're an Autistic kid that can't keep up with the shifting pronouns? Then GTFO of the hobby, bigot.

Where do the young, socially awkward kids go now? And no, dressing like a clown and constantly screaming about your identity is not socially awkward, it's narcissism.

This, so very much this.

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:42:23 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on May 05, 2023, 11:14:45 AM
Imagine running a free forum and having your users bitch about your content delivery format and wanting to make a few bucks from a video.

No, this is about the RPG Pundit trying to get more views on his Youtube page. 

That's fine, if he wants to post a video instead of a thread where he talks about a subject, I guess I just won't engage.

A thread that would require I type out a 25 minute-long speech is not exactly practical. You're free to not engage; argue for your limitations, and you shall have them!

Quote from: Thorn Drumheller on May 06, 2023, 11:40:04 AM
Ah, the ol circle of woke life. har har. People are predictable.....we've always gotta be putting someone down....labeling them...as other.

Good video pundit.

Thank you!

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 02:33:23 PM

Quote from: GhostNinja on May 05, 2023, 12:43:03 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on May 05, 2023, 11:21:09 AM
Who knew I was not welcome in the hobby! Somebody should have informed me sooner, not nice guys!

I guess I am not either.  Having a not friendly tone is not a good way to keep people coming back to a forum.

Not sure why you're answering this to me, I'm mocking the idiots who claimed TTRPG players were prejudiced against people like me.

Just to let you know, i got the joke!

YES... RPG Pundit is right.  We gamers HATE people with autism.
I mean, look at this post I made a month ago:
https://www.therpgsite.com/news-and-adverts/radical-high-autism-awareness/

I'm a HATER!

(by the way, Rolling Stone already was trash by the 1990s)

"neurodivergent"

Sounds like made up bullshit so jackasses with no social skills can complain about people being prejudiced against them for things outside their control. I know a few autistic people; some realize they're autistic and are really good at at least trying to emulate social norms to get along with people. Some are total assholes who either lack the capacity to manage their actions or just don't care to do it. Obviously, yes, I would not play D&D with such individuals. However, those kind of people seem to have way more problems than just playing RPGs, like being able to perform every day tasks like buying groceries, so why is this even a thing? Oh, right...fat gamer dumbasses who have self-diagnosed mental illnesses. No one wants to play with them because they're obnoxious losers, so instead of working on their personality why not just say everyone else is fucked up for not playing with them? I guess this is like all the fatties with "thyroid problems" who have never seen a doctor to get meds for their alleged condition, all while eating a dozen doughnuts five times a week. Sure, you have a medical issue. Right.

That said, RPGs is one of the few hobbies that would put up with all sorts of weirdos and I've played with a bunch, but honestly some of those weirdos were funny and brought pizza to the game and were cool to game with for the most part. They weren't self-loathing fucktards with 97 cats and an old Dell laptop running Windows 98 typing up a 12 page backstory for their 1st level tiefling warlock or whatever, complaining they can't make rent because they blew all the money their dad gave them on funkopops.

As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive. And they can't help but gatekeep even here:

QuoteUltimately, play should be negotiated for the comfort and enjoyment of those actually at the table, so long as their preferred methods of empowerment aren't harmful on a macro scale and are recognized as personal affectations. The conversation about how exactly, is still a matter of discussion, one that disability advocates are already leading on.

And it will always be a matter of discussion because disabled people aren't a monolith and the ambiguity can be weaponized.

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 08, 2023, 03:16:37 AM
As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive. And they can't help but gatekeep even here:

QuoteUltimately, play should be negotiated for the comfort and enjoyment of those actually at the table, so long as their preferred methods of empowerment aren't harmful on a macro scale and are recognized as personal affectations. The conversation about how exactly, is still a matter of discussion, one that disability advocates are already leading on.

And it will always be a matter of discussion because disabled people aren't a monolith and the ambiguity can be weaponized.

Gotta watch out for all those powerful nerd rejects in the corner of their mom's basement using TTRPGs to engage in power fantasies (i.e. "methods of empowerment") to inflict "harm" on a MACRO scale (which for the kids at home means that it bleeds over and has an impact at a major societal level...somehow).

Quote from: Anon Adderlan on May 08, 2023, 03:16:37 AM
As a 'neurodivergent' I can say for a fact that RPGs have become less accessable... thanks to the very people claiming to make them more inclusive.

That's very true - and true of society at large. With Cancel/Woke Culture built on ever-increasing demand for public adherence to obvious falsehoods, people on the spectrum have ever greater difficulty negotiating the ever changing social terrain. Some don't even realise they're supposed to lie about stuff, or at very least stay silent. Some realise this intellectually, but emotionally are incapable of declaring lies to be truth. More typically, people make the effort to publicly adhere to orthodoxy, but get tripped up - that goes for normies too.