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Author Topic: Flames of "Freedom"  (Read 1908 times)

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Flames of "Freedom"
« on: October 05, 2020, 10:08:00 PM »
Just came across Flames of Freedom quickstart on drivethru - powered by Zweihander, remake of Colonial Gothic.

"It is the dawn of the American Revolutionary War of 1776. A tangled web of conspiracy spans North America." sounds promising...

"In the war for survival, it does not matter what your creed, color, culture or gender is – all stand together."

Er... apart from slaves, Tories, and many native Americans I suppose.

Open up the free preview and there is a preamble called "Uses and Abuses of History": "...this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past, including ageism, ablism [etc.]... trans or queerphobia"

Uses and abuses of history, indeed.

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #1 on: October 05, 2020, 10:53:22 PM »
So "Tarleton's Quarter" or scalping would be ok, but don't you dare misgender a genderfluid trans colonial soldier!  Sounds like a blast...  ::)

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #2 on: October 05, 2020, 11:20:25 PM »
Somebody should do a live play on YT and use the rules (badly), but fully embrace the real history and just cause the Zwei-bitch to REEEEEE until he passes out.

"In the war for survival, it does not matter what your creed, color, culture or gender is – all stand together."

It's the Proud Boys RPG! (seriously, that quote is basically civic nationalism defined)

Or is it 1776 in Forgotten Realms?

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2020, 03:58:09 AM »
(scritches his head)  For my part, I think the general howling of "OMG there's a SJW out there who said something I don't like, America's freedoms are at threat, ahhhh!!!!" is badly, badly overblown.  Grow a pair, folks.

On the other hand, if you're running a historical setting straight, you're either constrained by the social and political mores of the setting, or you're running an alt-history game.  It is not an "abuse" of history to consider that the only people who really counted in colonial America and thereafter were white male monied property owners.  (Come now, I hope no one's under any delusion that the "common man" called any shots in 1776.)

Beyond that, having written a quasi-historical gamebook in the same time period (GURPS Scarlet Pimpernel), "this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past ..." huh?  Once I sent Steve Jackson the MS, the setting was out of my hands.  If someone wanted to decide that 1793 Paris was a beacon of racial and sexual equality, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.  If someone wanted 1793 Paris to be a place where les citoyens had wienie roasts over the mass pyres of blacks and gays, I had no say over it, then or subsequently.   
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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2020, 04:32:19 AM »
(scritches his head)  For my part, I think the general howling of "OMG there's a SJW out there who said something I don't like, America's freedoms are at threat, ahhhh!!!!" is badly, badly overblown.  Grow a pair, folks.

Yeah, I don't necessarily think next stop = black helicopters because somebody released a pdf I don't like, but the intellectual laziness and rank cynicism annoy me.

I just enjoy making fun of the intellectually and/or morally challenged. If you don't, fair enough; plenty of other threads.

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2020, 04:42:02 AM »
Just came across Flames of Freedom quickstart on drivethru - powered by Zweihander, remake of Colonial Gothic.

"It is the dawn of the American Revolutionary War of 1776. A tangled web of conspiracy spans North America." sounds promising...

"In the war for survival, it does not matter what your creed, color, culture or gender is – all stand together."

Er... apart from slaves, Tories, and many native Americans I suppose.

Open up the free preview and there is a preamble called "Uses and Abuses of History": "...this game is not an excuse to reenact harmful words or acts of the past, including ageism, ablism [etc.]... trans or queerphobia"

Uses and abuses of history, indeed.

Greetings!

Indeed. Of course, we must pour as much modernistic, "enlightened" SJW bullshit into our games as possible! :D

I despise these morons pseudo-intellectual, self-righteous moralizing and their constant insistence on brow-beating and lecturing everyone to play nice-nice, everything coved with their pretentious post-modern sugar.

Once upon a time, part of the attraction and enjoyment of playing in different worlds, different genres and settings, was to experience and imagine such a different, fantastic place.

These kinds of SJW morons need to play SJW "Papers and Paychecks", Seattle 2020, where they play as employees of a local Starbucks making minimum wage. :D

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2020, 07:41:11 AM »
I'm just curious as to whether the setting's going to be truly tolerant, or if he's going to inject the Christophobia that seems necessary to sell a game to TBP and their cohorts. Given the mention of the Inquisition and Knights Templar as villain groups, I suspect the latter, but it could just be the 'shades of gray' that the blurb makes so much of. Still, I'm pretty clearly not the target audience.

Also, if anyone wants more details, the Kickstarter's up (and 200% funded already): https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/grimandperilous/flames-of-freedom-powered-by-zweihander-rpg
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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2020, 01:20:19 PM »
Greetings!

"Guided by RPG safety and trauma experts". ;D

Geesus. Yeah, I'm definitely not in their target audience. The whole thing sounds so full of SJW BS.

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2020, 04:40:50 PM »
"Guided by RPG safety and trauma experts".

Dude, you gotta find out these RPG safety and trauma guidelines! And then make sure to break every one in your game and sell it as the "most dangerous RPG ever written!!!"

"I love unsafe RPGs!" can be a T-shirt now!!

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2020, 05:00:00 PM »
(scritches his head)  For my part, I think the general howling of "OMG there's a SJW out there who said something I don't like, America's freedoms are at threat, ahhhh!!!!" is badly, badly overblown.  Grow a pair, folks.

SJWs have freedom of speech to say, write and buy whatever they want, but those of us who smell the stench of Marxism rising across our entire culture still have the same freedom to push back.

And you get to enjoy being the "This is fine" guy until the mob's at your doorstep and you're on your knees wondering WTF happened.


(Come now, I hope no one's under any delusion that the "common man" called any shots in 1776.)

Not all the Founding Fathers were rich men, and certainly most of the Revolutionary patriots were not. Unless the new definition of rich is "having a family farm in the 18th century".  "Owning 20 acres!!!" sounds like a billionaire to today's city dwellers were 2 room condos sell for hundreds of thousands, but land existed for the taking back then.

If the "common man" of 1776 didn't agree with the Founding Fathers with the willingness to die for their freedom, they had the much easier, safer and "nicer" choice of just milking their cows as English subjects. AKA, Canadians.

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2020, 05:14:20 PM »
How the fuck does one because an RPG safety and trauma “expert”? When the hell did this become an area of study, and where are all the people who were injured or traumatized as a direct result of their participation in the RPG hobby to necessitate the creation of this specialty? How did this even become a requirement to write an RPG? WHAT YEAR IS THIS?!? *passes out*

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2020, 05:16:51 PM »
Zwei-bitch loves me!!

https://twitter.com/ZweihanderRPG/status/1313328124445298688/photo/1

The comments are a gas. I gotta bookmark them because if I'm ever lost on a desert island, I can squeeze their REEEEEEEs for enough salty tears to keep me hydrated and full of minerals!

Apparently, poor Zwei got booted off the RPGPub. As I don't (and won't) have a personal Twitter account, I hope his tard minions post here because HOT DAMN I do loves me some fresh chew toys.

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2020, 06:47:42 PM »
How the fuck does one because an RPG safety and trauma “expert”? When the hell did this become an area of study, and where are all the people who were injured or traumatized as a direct result of their participation in the RPG hobby to necessitate the creation of this specialty? How did this even become a requirement to write an RPG? WHAT YEAR IS THIS?!? *passes out*
I got a paper cut from a character sheet many years ago. Does that count?

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2020, 05:03:11 AM »
Man, I was so hyped for this. When it was development, I got the impression of a Colonial Gothic type of game, like 1776 with zombies or forces of Chaos - basically Warhammer in the birth of the US. While it seems it still is leaning towards that, didn't realize it's more "Consent in Gaming the RPG".

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Re: Flames of "Freedom"
« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2020, 05:35:56 AM »
RPG trauma?  How have I been a gamer for 40+ years without encountering this?  I suppose there's the Blackleaf thing, but fiction doesn't really count.   Something smells like a barnyard here...
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