Quote from: Simlasa;851351Do you have some source for that... actual quotes?
Not that I doubt it... nor does it put me off the game. I've got lots of games and books written by people whose views I disagree with.

Yes and no. If you want an outright statement of their political views, here is part of a post from their website:

QuoteEvery single one of us at Posthuman Studios stands in support of feminism's basic principle: treating women as people. As can be gleaned from our books, we're a fairly left-wing group, and we don't hide our politics or claim to be unbiased. We believe we live in a world where patriarchy and male privilege are real, ongoing problems, and equality for all people, regardless of sex, is a worthy goal.

http://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras
That particular post was the one where they fired all MRAs from being fans of their work. Then some people who weren't even MRAs but dared to say, "Y'know, this is a bit extreme," got banned, too. It was all part of a purge of their forums to kick out anyone who didn't share their politics (or didn't know enough to shut up and not let that fact slip).

Quote from: jeff37923;851354I may be wrong, but I think that is exactly what Kaiu Keiichi was on about.

Maybe you're right... I can be way to literal sometimes.

Quote from: Brand55;851357Yes and no. If you want an outright statement of their political views, here is part of a post from their website:

I've got no real issues with that quote as it is... though I suppose their feeling the need to say it implies that it extends farther than down the trench than I'm willing to follow.
Witch hunts on their forums is more worrisome.

I'll still play their game.

Quote from: Simlasa;851359I've got no real issues with that quote as it is... though I suppose their feeling the need to say it implies that it extends farther than down the trench than I'm willing to follow.
Witch hunts on their forums is more worrisome.

I'll still play their game.

Some people were dicks and deserved the bans they got. Others didn't. And even a few actually outed themselves as MRAs and said they were quitting since they weren't welcome anymore despite never causing problems. I'd guess that PS' forums today are probably at least as left-leaning as rpg.net, if not more so.

Yeah, I understand that. I'm actually not a huge fan of EP's system so I don't have to worry about it, but if I loved the game I'd play it anyway. I'm sure I have plenty of books on my shelf written by people I'd consider to be unworthy assholes in real life.

Quote from: Brand55;851362Yeah, I understand that. I'm actually not a huge fan of EP's system so I don't have to worry about it, but if I loved the game I'd play it anyway. I'm sure I have plenty of books on my shelf written by people I'd consider to be unworthy assholes in real life.

When I've really got a beef with someone who made a cool thing I just make sure none of my money goes to them... buying second hand and such. It's my long-standing policy with Games Workshop and Mongoose.

Quote from: Brand55;851362I'm actually not a huge fan of EP's system so I don't have to worry about it, but if I loved the game I'd play it anyway. I'm sure I have plenty of books on my shelf written by people I'd consider to be unworthy assholes in real life.

+1. Great setting; unremarkable, clunky system; shrill, annoying politics. I'll still play it, though.

Nova Praxis is a little too close to Eclipse Phase for my liking. Was it a case of Hodgkins parallel development?

Quote from: Brand55;851340It's not just TBP. The guys who made EP have outright said that if you aren't an ardent feminist opposing the evils of rape culture and the patriarchy, they don't want you playing their game.

Do you have a citation for that?

EDIT: so, no.

Quote from: Brand55;851357Yes and no. If you want an outright statement of their political views, here is part of a post from their website:

http://eclipsephase.com/regarding-mras
That particular post was the one where they fired all MRAs from being fans of their work. Then some people who weren't even MRAs but dared to say, "Y'know, this is a bit extreme," got banned, too. It was all part of a purge of their forums to kick out anyone who didn't share their politics (or didn't know enough to shut up and not let that fact slip).

Oh fucking hell.

Please tell me I havent joined a forum where people actually believe in this Men's Right bollocks.

FFS.

Quote from: Simlasa;851351Do you have some source for that... actual quotes?
Not that I doubt it... nor does it put me off the game. I've got lots of games and books written by people whose views I disagree with.

I'd guess the system would put you off the game myself, but they have a free version to check out floating around somewhere. I did, and the preferred politics where some creepy shit. Me, I like knowing I own my own body. Kinda a core political issue to me. I'm not nearly so far left as to see communism to the point of bodies being community property being a good thing.

If anything I'm going to bet that particular angle brought in a crowd of people they didn't take the half second to see coming and resulted in the whole MRA debacle.

Quote from: The Butcher;851371+1. Great setting; unremarkable, clunky system; shrill, annoying politics. I'll still play it, though.

Ditto. Ran EP for over three years. Will probably start again once I get my shit together.

I love the setting; I just ignore the way-too-left stuff and portray the conservatives and corps as more reasonable people. No gaming police can make me play differently.

Quote from: Intergalactic Threat;851504Nova Praxis is a little too close to Eclipse Phase for my liking. Was it a case of Hodgkins parallel development?

That's actually part of the selling point for me; I want to see if I can use the Savage Worlds version to derive SW-powered Eclipse Phase.

Quote from: Intergalactic Threat;851508Please tell me I havent joined a forum where people actually believe in this Men's Right bollocks.

Every village has its idiots, I'm afraid. #notallrpgsiteposters

I have no reason to believe brand55 is a MRA, though. It's just part of our board culture (very much informed by droves of RPGnet refugees) to look askew on censorship. Even when the people getting censored are reproachable. And especially so when debate of the issue is instantly quashed; I can't speak for everyone but some of us feel bad ideas, under frank debate, will sink of their own accord.

Quote from: fellowhoodlum;851521I love the setting; I just ignore the way-too-left stuff and portray the conservatives and corps as more reasonable people. No gaming police can make me play differently.

Oh yeah. Unlike it seems to be the case with, say, Blue Rose over at the neighboring thread, you can strip away the political bias of the books and you're still left with a solid core of horrific transhuman SF. X-risks are everyone's business, after all. Though I'd love to see a Guide to the Technocracy-like treatment of Project Ozma.

Quote from: The Butcher;851532That's actually part of the selling point for me; I want to see if I can use the Savage Worlds version to derive SW-powered Eclipse Phase.

It could be done fairly easily. You'd want to nab some form of hacking rules, either from the SF Companion or perhaps Interface Zero, but it's certainly doable.

Quote from: The Butcher;851532I have no reason to believe brand55 is a MRA, though. It's just part of our board culture (very much informed by droves of RPGnet refugees) to look askew on censorship.

Very much this. I will say that I don't paint MRAs with the broad brush of evil that so many do because there are issues men face and it often seems like they're the only ones who really care, but I certainly don't think men are oppressed or anything similar.

I used that particular post because, frankly, it was the one I knew about off the top of my head and could grab in two seconds using Google. PS outright says they lean firmly left, believe in the partriarchy, and aren't unbiased. Then they tell people to get out regardless of whether or not those people have done anything disruptive at all. So, no, it's not precisely what I first stated, but it's pretty damn close. I guess I should have saved points at birth and picked up Eidetic Memory after all.

And, for the record, if tomorrow another company said feminists or Tea Party members weren't welcome on their board and shouldn't buy their product, I'd say that was just as stupid.

Quote from: Brand55;851538Very much this. I will say that I don't paint MRAs with the broad brush of evil that so many do because there are issues men face and it often seems like they're the only ones who really care, but I certainly don't think men are oppressed or anything similar.

From what I hear, most MRA's don't believe they're oppressed, they're just tired of being blamed for every single world ill that someone decided to yell at them for.  But that's off topic.

Then again, I try leave any personal political stance out of my games as best I can, perhaps that's why I prefer Cyberpunk for my Transhuman style of gaming?

Quote from: fellowhoodlum;851521Ditto. Ran EP for over three years. Will probably start again once I get my shit together.

I love the setting; I just ignore the way-too-left stuff and portray the conservatives and corps as more reasonable people. No gaming police can make me play differently.

Why would you do this? You complain about political bias and then proceed to resolve that by applying...political bias?

Quote from: The Butcher;851532That's actually part of the selling point for me; I want to see if I can use the Savage Worlds version to derive SW-powered Eclipse Phase.


 
Every village has its idiots, I'm afraid. #notallrpgsiteposters

I have no reason to believe brand55 is a MRA, though. It's just part of our board culture (very much informed by droves of RPGnet refugees) to look askew on censorship. Even when the people getting censored are reproachable. And especially so when debate of the issue is instantly quashed; I can't speak for everyone but some of us feel bad ideas, under frank debate, will sink of their own accord.



Oh yeah. Unlike it seems to be the case with, say, Blue Rose over at the neighboring thread, you can strip away the political bias of the books and you're still left with a solid core of horrific transhuman SF. X-risks are everyone's business, after all. Though I'd love to see a Guide to the Technocracy-like treatment of Project Ozma.

Nova Praxis is very very close to EP in so many ideas that I'm surprised they didn't get sued! Had it come out first, with the same prodiuction values and not been saddled with Fate, it would be the better game. I like EP, but to say it's left leaning is bizarre.

MRA is the motherlode of bad ideas. I have no time for it, especially when people are going to strawman games and game designers.