Quote from: RPGPundit;558490It depends what the OP means. If what was meant was actual direct clones, then my answer would be "none of them. I find them pointless".

If what was meant was all the different OSR variant rules-sets, then I'd have to say Lamentations of the Flame Princess.

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Which is weird, because I don't see much difference between LoTFP and most of the other retroclones/osr variants.

Quote from: RPGPundit;558490It depends what the OP means. If what was meant was actual direct clones, then my answer would be "none of them. I find them pointless".

If what was meant was all the different OSR variant rules-sets, then I'd have to say Lamentations of the Flame Princess.

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Quote from: RPGPundit;558490It depends what the OP means. If what was meant was actual direct clones, then my answer would be "none of them. I find them pointless".

If what was meant was all the different OSR variant rules-sets, then I'd have to say Lamentations of the Flame Princess.

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Nope, I don't mean 'exact' clones, but various OSR variants, clones, cousins, and the like.

Oh, well in that case, I think that Earthdawn qualifies.

Quote from: Benoist;558545I was very lucky to get both of my OD&D copies for much less, but it is obvious to me that not everyone is willing to shell out $100+ for a game. You can still get the OD&D PDFs relatively easily, but it sure ain't legal any more, ever since WotC pulled the PDFs from RPGnow/DriveThru that is... fucking bastards.

My first OD&D books were a copy of Men & Magic and The Underworld & Wilderness Adventures and a Moldvay Edit of Basic D&D to cover Monsters & treasures, plus Supplement I: Greyhawk.  Got 'em for free from a co-worker.

I bought a complete (no dice included) OCE a year or two later for $80, I was given a better copy of Greyhawk as a Christmas gift, then given another by a nice chap over at the Acaeum (I'd gotten Gary & Rob's autograph on the crumbling copy I'd gotten with the original mismatched set and had casually mentioned that I wished I'd had a copy I felt safe taking to conventions, etc. and bam, someone mailed one to me).  I later purchased the various other supplements here and there; I think the most I spent was $55 for a copy of Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes at the last (ever) Milwaukee Gamefest.  I got 3 shrink-wrapped copies of Chainmail (7th+) at a wargaming convention locally for $10 each!  There was a 'con in Iraq in the green zone called Zigurrat Con in '07, I sent one of the shrinkwrapped copies of Chainmail in the care package we provided to that (snacks, 1e & 3e books, boardgames, dice, etc.) - I've often wondered what became of that copy of the game.

BFRPG. It's a solid game by itself, and I learned that when I added all of my crazy house rules, it still played fine!

Quote from: thedungeondelver;558609My first OD&D books were a copy of Men & Magic and The Underworld & Wilderness Adventures and a Moldvay Edit of Basic D&D to cover Monsters & treasures, plus Supplement I: Greyhawk.  Got 'em for free from a co-worker.

I bought a complete (no dice included) OCE a year or two later for $80, I was given a better copy of Greyhawk as a Christmas gift, then given another by a nice chap over at the Acaeum (I'd gotten Gary & Rob's autograph on the crumbling copy I'd gotten with the original mismatched set and had casually mentioned that I wished I'd had a copy I felt safe taking to conventions, etc. and bam, someone mailed one to me).  I later purchased the various other supplements here and there; I think the most I spent was $55 for a copy of Gods, Demi-Gods & Heroes at the last (ever) Milwaukee Gamefest.  I got 3 shrink-wrapped copies of Chainmail (7th+) at a wargaming convention locally for $10 each!  There was a 'con in Iraq in the green zone called Zigurrat Con in '07, I sent one of the shrinkwrapped copies of Chainmail in the care package we provided to that (snacks, 1e & 3e books, boardgames, dice, etc.) - I've often wondered what became of that copy of the game.

Wow that is cool. I got my first copies of OD&D from Monte Cook actually. They came without the box, but with the Greyhawk and Eldritch Wizardry supplements, IIRC. Then my second copies from a user here on the site who didn't know what to do with them, and I got Chainmail as a gift from the Grey Elf, when he heard I was searching for a print everywhere. Very nice of him.

I bought my OCE boxed set back in the mid eighties. I didn't get that it was the original D&D edition until much later. I thought it was some weird Judges Guild like version of Holmes that TSR made.  Finally one of the Dragon magazine talked about the history of D&D and it clicked as to what I had.  Even then it was hard to make sense of because for some reason there is a misprint in mine where the 1d6 damage per hit rule was omitted. I also got Chainmail around the same time period along with Blackmoor and Dieties, Demigods, and Heroes. I didn't get Greyhawk and Eldritch Wizardry until much later (In fact got in the same deal that netted Benoist his extra copies). I did buy all the PDFs where they were still avaliable and printed out Greyhawk for my own use.

I now have a paper-mache book box that I got from a craft store to store all the booklets with the Boxed Set cover pasted on the front of the box.

Quote from: thedungeondelver;557066OSRIC.  It put AD&D rules at easy reach for lots of people.

This. OSRIC's clear, concise, free and has it all in one book.

L.L.

OSRIC.

LotFP, unlike the strict clones, actually plays differently than the versions of D&D I've been playing for the last 20 years.


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Quote from: RPGPundit;559076LotFP, unlike the strict clones, actually plays differently than the versions of D&D I've been playing for the last 20 years.


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Which may or may not be a good thing, depending.

The reason I didn't like 4e was presisiously because it didn't play like the game I'd been playing before.

Quote from: RPGPundit;559076LotFP, unlike the strict clones, actually plays differently than the versions of D&D I've been playing for the last 20 years.


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How so?

Examples?

Only the fighter gets better at fighting and there's a picture of a giant alligator woman giving live birth to look at when the spotlight is on another player.