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« Reply #15 on: March 10, 2021, 03:09:56 AM »
I appreciate that it's hard to resist making fun of the girl who thinks that going out to breakfast is a good way to feel better about being fat. I feel pretty bad for her, she seems to feel really worthless. I hope she gets her life together.

I got dragged into "playtesting" one of these "journal games" by a friend of a friend. I tried to write an interesting story and he called me to up to yell at me for doing it wrong. They tend to mean a lot to the person who wrote them but not as much to anyone else. It feels like watching someone else's therapy.

The Cahokia game looks like it might be a neat setting, although I'm not keen on a new system at this point.
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« Reply #16 on: March 10, 2021, 03:35:46 AM »
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Agree the non-colonised America setting sounds interesting in principle. Tricky to pull off the backstory in a plausible way. Presumably Europe has to get quasi-nuked. Then what? Ming vs Ottomans along the Mississippi frontier?

As far as I understand - world was generally nuked into Long Night by asteroid in this version, somewhere around 1000 BC. That's quite plausible to nuke most Eurasian powers.
Bit like this setting I've once read about when Black Plague killed 99% of Europeans, and Asian powers recolonized Europe.

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« Reply #17 on: March 10, 2021, 04:15:18 AM »
I got dragged into "playtesting" one of these "journal games" by a friend of a friend. I tried to write an interesting story and he called me to up to yell at me for doing it wrong. They tend to mean a lot to the person who wrote them but not as much to anyone else. It feels like watching someone else's therapy.

I have playtested and seen several of these over the years. The oldest think have is from 6 or 7 years ago.
One of the oldest I have still archived was one from 8 years ago where you are a warrior training to advance through a temple. Each day you had to do X amount of exercises which was the games damage and such. Was a pretty simple yet elegant way to exercise and make a little adventure of it.

Another I cannot find yet for the date had you trapped in your house and having to collect things and make notes each day. Thats about all can recall of it. And another where you are a space traveller journalling each day of the trip. And a few others. There was also, and possibly still running a sort of combo of journal and teleconference LARP where the players were all at remote sites doing stuff each day.
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« Reply #18 on: March 10, 2021, 07:42:53 AM »
"Fat Self Care" - so it's about diet & exercise?
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« Reply #19 on: March 10, 2021, 07:58:32 AM »
"Fat Self Care" - so it's about diet & exercise?

If only it was!
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« Reply #20 on: March 10, 2021, 08:28:11 AM »
As far as I understand - world was generally nuked into Long Night by asteroid in this version, somewhere around 1000 BC. That's quite plausible to nuke most Eurasian powers.
Bit like this setting I've once read about when Black Plague killed 99% of Europeans, and Asian powers recolonized Europe.

Seems a bit extreme when would have been easier to just have the black plague spread further than it did and cause more widespread collapse.

Many a decade ago in I believe one of DCs sci-fi/horror comic segments Steve Ditko did one where some scientists sick of nuclear war go back in time and abduct Albert Einstein. Rather than kill him they go further back in time and drop him off with some pre-colonial natives in the americas. They return home only to discover that now the americas were never colonized because Big Chief Mushroomcloud nuked the europeans enough they have more or less stayed away since.


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« Reply #21 on: March 10, 2021, 11:25:42 AM »
"Fat Self Care" - so it's about diet & exercise?

Healthy at any size, you bigot.

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« Reply #22 on: March 10, 2021, 12:16:08 PM »
Bit like this setting I've once read about when Black Plague killed 99% of Europeans, and Asian powers recolonized Europe.

You might be thinking of the novel Years of Rice and Salt by Kim Stanley Robinson? Europe gets wiped out by the plague, Islam conquers Europe, America is never colonized, and the world is divided between the Chinese, Indian, Islam, and Native American superpowers. 

It's one of the most boring interesting books I have ever read, or perhaps the most boring interesting book. It's hard to explain. It's not very exciting, but I couldn't stop reading it.
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« Reply #23 on: March 10, 2021, 02:34:23 PM »
After reading, I wondered what 181 current backers at 300 pounds weight (the KS "protagonist") would equal.

https://www.bluebulbprojects.com/measureofthings/results.php?comp=weight&unit=lbs&amt=54300&sort=pr&p=6

It's about two times as heavy as an Anchor of a Cruise Ship
It's about one-third as heavy as The Space Shuttle
It's about four times as heavy as a Tyrannosaurus rex
It's about one-fourth as heavy as a Blue Whale
It's about one-fifth as heavy as a House
It's about forty times as heavy as a Cow
It's about 55 times as heavy as a Grand Piano
It's about 100 times as heavy as a Pig
It's about 350 times as heavy as a Beer Keg
It's about 550 times as heavy as a Toilet

Now I kind of want them to succeed to at least the "Blue Whale" level...

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« Reply #24 on: March 10, 2021, 05:54:49 PM »
I have thought long and hard how to react to this topic. Upon my ruminations i have found the perfect answer(for me, not for everybody). Its in the form of an attached picture. The picture shows the face of a celbrity on the body of another celebrity. Yes, this is Nicolas Cages face on the body of Whoopi Goldberg in a tub of milk. Its just how i feel regarding this subject.

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« Reply #25 on: March 10, 2021, 06:44:52 PM »
If you say "look it up", I'd think one would want to provide a link. As for what SJWs want, as WWotW noted, it's a tiny project of a solo journaling RPG (one of those weird niche genres) that raised $3580 with 181 backers.

cf. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/avenmcconnaughey/fat-self-care-volume-1

By comparison - Coyote and Crow is billed as a "science fantasy role-playing game set in an uncolonized future", set in an alternate future of the Americas where European colonization never occurred. It raised $421,367 from 6197 backers at last count.

cf. https://www.kickstarter.com/projects/connoralexander/coyote-and-crow

The former is a tiny niche within a niche - the latter at least shows some broader interest.

So, a game of racialist fantasy wish fulfillment imagining a nonsensical alternate history that would never ever have happened, in order to try to argue that "Native Americans were right on the verge of jumping right from mass blood-sacrifice while failing to invent the wheel ALL the way over to Social-Justice Super-tech Utopia, if it hadn't been for that EVIL WHITE MAN!" is what you're presenting as the "Common sense alternative" to Fat Self Care to show that the SJWs aren't just Ideological Terrorists out to transform the hobby into a pop culture version of forced-indoctrination-camps?

Because I don't think you're making the point you think you're making.


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« Reply #26 on: March 10, 2021, 07:17:17 PM »
Reading the Kickstarter has provided me with a new motivation to lose those last 20 pounds.

Then good has come of this after all!
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« Reply #27 on: March 10, 2021, 07:24:15 PM »
I appreciate that it's hard to resist making fun of the girl who thinks that going out to breakfast is a good way to feel better about being fat. I feel pretty bad for her, she seems to feel really worthless. I hope she gets her life together.

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The Cahokia game looks like it might be a neat setting, although I'm not keen on a new system at this point.

To me it looks like Wakanda-for-Indians. A fantasy of a society that not only does not exist, but never existed and NEVER WOULD have existed even if you killed every single white man before 1492. That you need some kind of magic or super-science to explain, because otherwise it makes no sense, and usually still makes no sense even with it.

All to live out the racist fantasy that "if all the white men had just died, we'd be in a much better world".
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« Reply #28 on: March 10, 2021, 07:30:05 PM »

As far as I understand - world was generally nuked into Long Night by asteroid in this version, somewhere around 1000 BC. That's quite plausible to nuke most Eurasian powers.
Bit like this setting I've once read about when Black Plague killed 99% of Europeans, and Asian powers recolonized Europe.

You could have santa claus kill every last white person, and it wouldn't have made America sufficiently rich in certain resources required to produce a sufficiently advanced civilization, nor the kind of groundwork of concepts required to create a society that has concepts of the Rights of Man, the Scientific Method, or the Universality of God. You aren't going to get there when you're having huge trouble getting around to inventing the wheel.

It is a complete fantasy based out of a wish fulfillment that utopia would have happened were it not for the evil white men, when in fact it was Western Civilization that has, in all of human history, gotten as close to Utopia as anyone has so far (though admittedly still very very far from it). It's resentment pseudo-history.

The most likely outcome of no Columbian Exchange would have been that in 2021, tribes would still roam the great plains killing buffalo and each other, while central America would be at some stage of its seemingly eternal cycle of building up monument-building empires based on human sacrifice and then having those empires collapse from resource-scarcity back into primitive tribes based on human sacrifice.  Maybe the Inca would have fared a bit better, but it's not too likely.
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« Reply #29 on: March 10, 2021, 08:38:13 PM »
Agree the non-colonised America setting sounds interesting in principle. Tricky to pull off the backstory in a plausible way. Presumably Europe has to get quasi-nuked. Then what? Ming vs Ottomans along the Mississippi frontier?

It would be easy to explain if you could concoct some event that exposes native Americans to Eurasian diseases a few hundred years before Columbus. That way their population would have recovered enough to be able to fight back more effectively. Vikings could work but that's a too cliché. The Chinese treasure fleet would also work but that's a bit too late in the timeline.

A setup like this would let you create a New York existing in a situation similar to Hong Kong which could be a cool setting location.

Of course, the authors of the kickstarter used the tired "climate change" disaster which conveniently killed Europe while also, at least judging from the cover, making all native American's flamboyantly gay.