Fantasy Wheelchairs are a Controvesy Again. (Video Discussion)

GhostNinja · March 20, 2024, 10:07:15 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 06:46:58 PM
Most dungeons aren't Adventurer accessible. That's kinda the point.

Very true

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 06:46:58 PM
Characters in wheelchairs. I can kinda sorta understand.

But considering the culture war and wokie ideolgy driving the current push for "differently abled" characters, I'd probably just say "Fuck off" as well. At least I'd consider it a red flag that the player has a disruptive agenda inserted into their role playing.

Yeo that would is my feeling as well. I would wonder why a player would think making a disabled character would want to do so, and why would someone who is disabled want to play a disabled person in a game. Games are meant to be escapism and being someone you could never be.

Brad · March 20, 2024, 10:18:06 AM

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 20, 2024, 10:07:15 AM
Yeo that would is my feeling as well. I would wonder why a player would think making a disabled character would want to do so, and why would someone who is disabled want to play a disabled person in a game. Games are meant to be escapism and being someone you could never be.

It's called purposefully being a dick. Inject asinine stuff into a situation, then cry foul whenever people call you out on the stupidity. We used to just call these morons drama queens and assholes; now excluding them is "gatekeeping" and we need to ensure their "triggers" are respected. When your entire life revolves around being a victim, escapism is impossible to grasp.

blackstone · March 20, 2024, 10:23:50 AM

Quote from: GhostNinja on March 20, 2024, 10:07:15 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 06:46:58 PM
Most dungeons aren't Adventurer accessible. That's kinda the point.

Very true

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 19, 2024, 06:46:58 PM
Characters in wheelchairs. I can kinda sorta understand.

But considering the culture war and wokie ideolgy driving the current push for "differently abled" characters, I'd probably just say "Fuck off" as well. At least I'd consider it a red flag that the player has a disruptive agenda inserted into their role playing.

Yeo that would is my feeling as well. I would wonder why a player would think making a disabled character would want to do so, and why would someone who is disabled want to play a disabled person in a game. Games are meant to be escapism and being someone you could never be.

...and that right there in bold is the problem. These asshats think they're playing themselves in an FRPG. This is incorrect for the most part. Unless the DM says "OK, you'll be playing as yourselves in this setting.", you are playing as someone else. So these woke jackasses take FRPGs as playing themselves in the setting.

You know who does that? narcissists...and certain shitty actors.

Armchair Gamer · March 20, 2024, 11:13:15 AM

A trivia note on this point: Wheelchair-bound characters in AD&D go back at least to 1986, in I10 Ravenloft II: The House on Gryphon Hill. Lord Byron Weathermay is a retired adventurer "confined to a wheelchair, the result of an accident hunting boar years ago." He still hunts from a special saddle, and can fight, but can't walk and "while he is confined to his wheelchair he suffers a penalty of 2 vs. his AC."

Of course, I10 has a tone that's more Hammer Horror/Dark Shadows than traditional D&D, and the only cleric in Mordentshire is only 6th level.

GhostNinja · March 20, 2024, 12:22:35 PM

Quote from: Brad on March 20, 2024, 10:18:06 AM
It's called purposefully being a dick. Inject asinine stuff into a situation, then cry foul whenever people call you out on the stupidity. We used to just call these morons drama queens and assholes; now excluding them is "gatekeeping" and we need to ensure their "triggers" are respected. When your entire life revolves around being a victim, escapism is impossible to grasp.

Yep. Call me a gatekeeper all you want, asshats like this will never be welcome in my games. I have no problem keeping my games full and if one person drops or gets kicked, they are replaced in 24 hours or less.

Of course as I get further away from official D&D, the less I have to deal with this crap.

GhostNinja · March 20, 2024, 12:26:13 PM

Quote from: blackstone on March 20, 2024, 10:23:50 AM
...and that right there in bold is the problem. These asshats think they're playing themselves in an FRPG. This is incorrect for the most part. Unless the DM says "OK, you'll be playing as yourselves in this setting.", you are playing as someone else. So these woke jackasses take FRPGs as playing themselves in the setting.

You know who does that? narcissists...and certain shitty actors.

You are right. They would probably be happier playing some storygame and not an actual role playing game because that's not what they are doing.

Insane Nerd Ramblings · March 20, 2024, 01:07:36 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 20, 2024, 11:13:15 AMOf course, I10 has a tone that's more Hammer Horror/Dark Shadows than traditional D&D, and the only cleric in Mordentshire is only 6th level.

Which shows you the people writing weren't paying attention to the rules whatsoever. That Cleric would be able to heal any such injury. Hell, Donavich in Barovia, who is only a 2nd Lvl Cleric, would have been able to heal that.

David Johansen · March 20, 2024, 02:25:46 PM

My dungeons with the vending machines should have some wheel chairs at the door for accessibility purposes, and a ramp with a pit trap on the way in. The way to survive is taking the stairs.

Armchair Gamer · March 20, 2024, 02:35:18 PM

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 20, 2024, 01:07:36 PM
Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 20, 2024, 11:13:15 AMOf course, I10 has a tone that's more Hammer Horror/Dark Shadows than traditional D&D, and the only cleric in Mordentshire is only 6th level.

Which shows you the people writing weren't paying attention to the rules whatsoever. That Cleric would be able to heal any such injury. Hell, Donavich in Barovia, who is only a 2nd Lvl Cleric, would have been able to heal that.

Let's be honest--D&D has never been good with specific injuries and their healing. You could make an argument that a 1st-level cleric could heal an injury that leaves someone paralyzed, or that it would take a 14th-level cleric (regenerate), and multiple points inbetween.

rytrasmi · March 20, 2024, 04:54:37 PM

Castle Mangle-Mutilateus is home to the eccentric Marquis de Trapeze. The Marquis is a retired acrobat who, years ago, earned his landed title by saving the king from a would-be fatal fall. The Marquis is now a recluse who hates everyone. He spends his time creating elaborate traps and capturing fiendish monsters for the castle. The 54-room compound is designed to cripple, but not kill, nosey adventurers. By the time the party confronts the Marquis, they will be lucky if they can still walk or even move their shattered limbs. In the final secret treasure room, the party will find a collection of assistive devices, such as wheelchairs, as well as a long ramp leading to the safety of a nearby forest.

Insane Nerd Ramblings · March 20, 2024, 05:03:14 PM

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on March 20, 2024, 02:35:18 PMYou could make an argument that a 1st-level cleric could heal an injury that leaves someone paralyzed, or that it would take a 14th-level cleric (regenerate), and multiple points inbetween.

The only way to make that argument is if the DM is intentionally being an asshole and intentionally misconstruing the spells. Regenerate is for missing limbs, like if you got hit with a Sword of Sharpness or what have you. Every other form of paralyzation is covered by a host of spells WELL before needing to use a 7th level Cleric spell (let alone something like Illusionist's Alter Reality or Mage's Limited Wish or Wish). Shit, you could do it with a Polymorph Other spell if you had to do so. Otherwise, how do you explain spells like Raise Dead existing at only 5th lvl casting (requiring a 9th lvl Cleric)? They can bring your ass back from the great beyond, but fuck no, they can't heal your paralysis?

Brad · March 20, 2024, 06:49:48 PM

Quote from: rytrasmi on March 20, 2024, 04:54:37 PM
Castle Mangle-Mutilateus is home to the eccentric Marquis de Trapeze. The Marquis is a retired acrobat who, years ago, earned his landed title by saving the king from a would-be fatal fall. The Marquis is now a recluse who hates everyone. He spends his time creating elaborate traps and capturing fiendish monsters for the castle. The 54-room compound is designed to cripple, but not kill, nosey adventurers. By the time the party confronts the Marquis, they will be lucky if they can still walk or even move their shattered limbs. In the final secret treasure room, the party will find a collection of assistive devices, such as wheelchairs, as well as a long ramp leading to the safety of a nearby forest.

Pretty sure this is one of those Grimtooth's Traps things. I mean, you can justify ANYTHING if you have a good reason. The wheelchair crap in D&D per WotC and other fucking morons has zero justification other than pandering.

David Johansen · March 20, 2024, 07:11:28 PM

Rolemaster has had crippled player characters and spells to heal specific injuries pretty much forever.

Anon Adderlan · March 21, 2024, 12:17:39 AM

Quote from: Insane Nerd Ramblings on March 20, 2024, 04:37:12 AM
The writer, btw, was not wheelchair bound and her 'disability' was self-diagnosed.

Quote from: honeydipperdavid on March 20, 2024, 09:50:57 AM
Her disability is she's a cunt.

BTW they're now a trans man.

...

Because of course they are.

Omega · March 21, 2024, 12:56:43 AM

Quote from: Thor's Nads on March 20, 2024, 02:29:49 AM
The dumbest "controversy" yet. If people want to have magic wheelchairs in their game let them. So what?

That isnt the problem.

Its how the woke push it to the point they are trolling handicapped people.