Quote from: StuartNotable movies that would likely influence neo-genesis-d&d in some aspect:

QuoteLegend!
Willow!
Dragonslayer!

QuoteNO - anime/magna . Someone coming from a table-top "wargaming" background would just not be into that crap.

You greatly underestimate the influence of Japanese 2D culture.  There's a good chance that RPGs would be developed not by gradschool wargamers (and how do you propose Warhammer would exist without D&D?  I'm not going to let that slide so easily. but by college-age fujoshi who wanted to take their imageboard "roleplaying" on the road.

Or maybe the whole business would have been born in Korea (ala Ragnarok online.)

Quote from: fonkaygarryYou greatly underestimate the influence of Japanese 2D culture.  

And I think it is overestimated. :ACF114F:

Quote from: fonkaygarry(and how do you propose Warhammer would exist without D&D?  I'm not going to let that slide so easily.

I didn't say warhammer. I said a fantasy wargame like warhammer. Which would lead into a skirmish game like mordheim. Which would finally lead into one about the individual hero's, like the early RPG's.

Table-top wargaming has survived the computer age. :win:

With the continued popularity of fantasy novels - in particular Tolkien, along with the recent popularity of the LOTR movies with those gret battle scenes.

A fantasy table-top wargame would be inevitable.

I think it worthy to note that most current fantasy table-top wargamers have never played an RPG.

Quote from: fonkaygarrybut by college-age fujoshi who wanted to take their imageboard "roleplaying" on the road.

I have no idea what a "fujoshi" or an "imageboard" are. So I cannot respond.

I asked all my roleplaying buddies, they don't have a fucking clue either.

In fact, after reading this I was at my FLGS: As an experiment I asked all the employees, then trying not to be too obnoxious, about 6 other guys I saw browsing the RPG section. Nobody had a fucking clue.

Quote from: fonkaygarryOr maybe the whole business would have been born in Korea (ala Ragnarok online.)

Quote from: fonkaygarryThere's a good chance that RPGs would be developed not by gradschool wargamers

Not really a direct response to these quotes, but...:stirthepot:

I don't think Pen and Paper RPG's Would come out of computer gamers, comic/magas fans, or animation fans.

Computer geeks would just make(if they can) or buy games for their computer. Because that's what they do.

Comic/magna fans would just have fan created comic/magas or just buy more comics/magas. Because that's what they do.

Animation fans? Guess what they do? Buy more, or make independent/fan stuff if they have the ability.

And for the fan stuff you can add: and put on the internet.

I think that it's worth while to note that - none of those three hobbies requires more than one person to enjoy. Or Dice, of any kind.



None of those three hobbies have the clear transition to an actual Pen and Paper RPG that a Table top fantasy wargame has, that requires multiple participants, dice and pens and paper in order to play.

And computer wargames have proven their inability to kill off table top wargaming.

Guess what table-top wargamers do? They fiddle with rules sets, they house rule. And those with the ability or inclination write their own games.

They'll write rules for the fantasy wargame.

They'll write rules for the small unit size fantasy skirmish game.

And what happens when some intrepid soul wants to take the unit size down: to each player having a single hero, with one guy running the scenario?

Ohhhh snap!:guns:


Did I get smilie and bold/italic happy or what? I'm such an asshole.
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Quote from: blakkieI know Stephen King was mentioned earlier. He once wrote in one of his novels a bit about the concept of inivisibility spells, and it is an entry that has long stuck with me. I the idea was that trying to use magic to become truely invisibily was madness and had lead only to any number of sad ends for the magicians that attempted it. Instead to become "invisible" involved series of magics that basically involved convincing people to not notice you.

Now THAT is the kind of magic I like to see in a game. But it just doesn't fit well with the hack 'em down, slash 'em up, and blow 'em away mentality that is inhereted from the wargaming side of the RPG family.

The Eyes of the Dragon

One of my favourite fantasy novels.

This interpretation of the spell invisibility made it into all my fantasy campaigns.

Dirk

Quote from: SpikeOf course, the cover art does SO MUCH to tell you it's all a whimsical debate club sort of game.... :rolleyes:

I'd have used one of the other illos in the game, I can't even match that cover to any of the Dying Earth short stories let alone the novels.

Really I see the game as spouting Vancian dialogue while running, lying, cheating, etc. to stay alive and get the baubles of forgotten Ages. With three power/style levels. In my experience it's a game a number of people have and want to try to play but haven't. Perhaps an online game is in order, which would also allow dictionary/thesarus use during play.

Quote from: Casey777 I'd have used one of the other illos in the game, I can't even match that cover to any of the Dying Earth short stories let alone the novels.

Really I see the game as spouting Vancian dialogue while running, lying, cheating, etc. to stay alive and get the baubles of forgotten Ages. With three power/style levels. In my experience it's a game a number of people have and want to try to play but haven't. Perhaps an online game is in order, which would also allow dictionary/thesarus use during play.

It's the scene from Cugel the Clever where he is carried off in a cage by a demon and dropped in the middle of nowhere, he then sets off to return home vowing revenge on the laughing magician and has various adventures along the way.

Quote from: blakkieI know Stephen King was mentioned earlier. He once wrote in one of his novels a bit about the concept of inivisibility spells, and it is an entry that has long stuck with me. I the idea was that trying to use magic to become truely invisibily was madness and had lead only to any number of sad ends for the magicians that attempted it. Instead to become "invisible" involved series of magics that basically involved convincing people to not notice you.

I don't know who did it first, but Douglas Adams had something very similar in one of the Hitchhikers books.  It was an SEP field, which stands for Somebody Else's Problem.   It would force people to instinctively ignore the source so as to not get involved.

Quote from: StuartFair enough.  Let's not worry about that too much though.

How about -- in 2006, if YOU were inventing D&D for the first time, what fantasy literature would you draw upon as inspiration?

I would use Discworld

Quote from: BalbinusIt's the scene from Cugel the Clever where he is carried off in a cage by a demon and dropped in the middle of nowhere, he then sets off to return home vowing revenge on the laughing magician and has various adventures along the way.

The first or the second time that happend?

Cugel: Again? You're just to lazy to write another adventure!
GM: You want two creatures in your stomach, punk?

Quote from: Casey777 I'd have used one of the other illos in the game, I can't even match that cover to any of the Dying Earth short stories let alone the novels.

Really I see the game as spouting Vancian dialogue while running, lying, cheating, etc. to stay alive and get the baubles of forgotten Ages. With three power/style levels. In my experience it's a game a number of people have and want to try to play but haven't. Perhaps an online game is in order, which would also allow dictionary/thesarus use during play.

Alas, the game takes itself so seriously that it belaboured it's point by truncheon and wrack, and not at all by zest or zeal...

I'm finally getting around to reading the classics this year. It's my goal for 2010.