I'm curious about GURPS: Transhuman Space. I'm wondering if it is worth picking up. I'm wondering if it will satisfy my twin gaming interests in Traveller and Cyberpunk.

So why is it that every time I start to ask about the game, I get responses from fans telling me how wonderful Transhumanism is and how cool it will be when we can finally download our conciousness from a male body into a female body? I'm looking for a game, not a philosophy.

Consequently, I haven't picked up Transhuman Space.


What game has fans that have turned you off from buying it?

Burning Wheel's author offended me, so I won't try it.  Many Indie games have very annoying fans that sound more like proselytizers than fans, so I try to avoid big discussions about new Indie games.

Except Indie discussions here, where the discussion tends to be discussion.

Around here when Hackmaster first hit there were some really annoying fans of the game.  The proclaims that it was like old school D&D with bad layouts, charts all over the place and stuff like that.  How great it was to spend hours to make a character.  How crunchy the system was.

Never found out if any of that was true or not cause I never gave it a chance after that.  Especially with that group of people.

Honestly, I don't let "fans" affect me negatively, usually. I tend to read the comments and make my own decision. A good example for me is Dogs in the Vineyard. Back when I could show my face on TBP, it was starting to gain some traction so I bought it and read it and played a PbP game for a bit, and honestly, I kinda liked it. I know around here it has a "swinish" reputation, but I enjoyed it.

Take it for what its worth. But for the most part I'll try anything once.

I must concur...

Whenever the transhuman space rpg comes up, fanboys start to use the word: "transhumanism".

I have no idea what this word means, or what they are refering to. Because they never bother to explain it, it seems one is assumed to just know.

I then drift away, blissful in my ignorance.

Oh, I will never buy anything hero 5. The fanboys are convinced it is perfect for any genre. And will not hesitate to tell you so.

But I have seen the hero 5 rule-book, and it is entierly too thick to be perfect for anything.

Jaeger, HERO stops fucking bullets, yo.

Quote from: peteramthorAround here when Hackmaster first hit there were some really annoying fans of the game.  The proclaims that it was like old school D&D with bad layouts, charts all over the place and stuff like that.  How great it was to spend hours to make a character.  How crunchy the system was.

Never found out if any of that was true or not cause I never gave it a chance after that.  Especially with that group of people.

Hackmaster IS 1st edition AD&D. It really is. The artwork is sometimes changed, and theres some new goofy stuff...but it IS 1st edition D&D. Same rules, same charts, same everything.

Quote from: joewolzJaeger, HERO stops fucking bullets, yo.

 I stand corrected.

Upon further reflection, and scientific examination; I must concede that the Hero 5 rulebook can indeed stop bullets from small calibre firearms.

Magic, the gathering fans send me packing. I tried gaming with some once. Never again. Every time we set up a rpg session, tose fucking cardheads were playing MTG. I was left to wait until I got disguisted and left, disappointed.

After repeated occurences of this I dropped the game, and then they said I was the bad player who quit!

Quote from: Dominus NoxMagic, the gathering fans send me packing. I tried gaming with some once. Never again. Every time we set up a rpg session, tose fucking cardheads were playing MTG. I was left to wait until I got disguisted and left, disappointed.

After repeated occurences of this I dropped the game, and then they said I was the bad player who quit!

I have a T-shirt with a scroll on it that says, "Protection From Magic - no person may play MtG within 10' of this scroll". I wore it into a game club one night and a guy running a MtG tournement (who didn't own the club) told me I had to leave or take off the T-shirt because it made people uncomfortable. I loudly asked the fifteen or so CCG players there if they thought my T-shirt made them uncomfortable - got a resounding number of "No" answers and a few asking me where they could buy their own. The guy running the tournement said he'd take it up with the club owner.

I never heard a thing from the owner about the T-shirt, except that he wanted one too.

I like old school D&D, I really do.  But when I go to Dragonsfoot and see the occasional battles between the purists and the houserulers, it makes me want to find each and every single one of them so I can punch them right in the kidneys.

I generally ignore opinions, either positive or negative, that aren't backed up by actual play of the system.  It helps me to weed through both a lot of knee-jerk reactionary dislike and jump-on-the-bandwagon sycophancy.

I recall (perhaps imperfectly) that on one of the threads about Transhuman Space someone posted details about how they had this awesome session played out entirely through rented bodies by way of AI transmission.  They had an adventure just laying the groundwork for their physical characters to arrive on planet.  That sounded pretty cool.  Maybe I'll pick it up some day.

Nope, though most of my favourites have fans that make my eyes bleed.  I'll also admit I probably wouldn't be so rabidly anti d20 if Bradford didn't piss me off so much.

Smug bastard.  He's probably playing D&D with naked supermodel geek girls right now!

The "Transhumanist" stuff can get a little thick, though I think I've never really picked it up, because, in the end, it just wasn't what I wanted my sci-fi games to be.

I downloaded Wushu, gave it an honest shot, but it just wasn't my cup of tea.  It was not helped, however, by the jackasses who brought it up in seemingly every other thread on TBP ("I'd Use Wushu"!).  A little too fanatical and shilling for my tastes.

Re:Fans That Turn You Off Of A Game

No, not really. I imagine that, given past experience, that if I look hard enough most every game will have a fan or a dozen that'll turn me off my dinner. So if I started worrying about such I wouldn't be playing much, would I? Or I'd have to lock myself in my room and turn off the computer. Besides even Hitler drank water.

I will say that the opposite has been true though, there have been detractors that have lead me to check out a game.

Same thing goes for the people that write games. They'd have to be the sort that goes around literally ganking grandmothers before I gave pause to buying their game. Jerks? Hey, flymice strikes me as the rough the equivalent of a Montana Freeman standing on a case of baked beans claiming he's the last living USA patriot. But if the game he writes plays? *shrug* Whatever. We buy from jerks every single day. I don't mean RPGs I mean life in general.

Quote from: TonyLBI generally ignore opinions, either positive or negative, that aren't backed up by actual play of the system.  It helps me to weed through both a lot of knee-jerk reactionary dislike and jump-on-the-bandwagon sycophancy.

Yeah, I'm kinda saddened that a lot of reviews out there aren't from people that have played the game they are reviewing more. Though I do understand the volume of reviews that some people do pretty much preclude many of their reviews being based on much more than creating a character and maybe a single session. Those that go beyond that, I really appreciate that.

P.S. That's why I really liked that McCrow linked those three AP threads in the Agon threads. I think those really help get a better handle of what the game is like.