Quote from: VisionStorm on April 20, 2021, 09:16:48 AM

Ah, I never got into WoW. Tried it for a bit (a few years after release), never got into it (not enough visual customization options), discovered City of Heroes (and eventually Champions Online) soon after. Never looked back. My only real experience was the old games (and Starcraft 1) so I never fully went through the "every expansion is a retcon and/or a rehash of the plot at the end of WC3". I also never expected it to be a very deep story, since the games were just supposed to be X vs Y vs Z RTS games that just need an excuse to pit one side against the other in strategic battle.

I don't think deep is a word I'd use to describe WoW or Blizzard storytelling in general. It's convoluted, but pretty shallow. Like you say, I don't expect a deep storytelling experience from an RTS or MMORPG.

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 20, 2021, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on April 20, 2021, 06:25:14 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 18, 2021, 03:36:56 PM
Should humans be inherently evil?

They should not be and yet here we are.

You're assuming the posters here are human?

Why would I assume that?

Quote from: Shasarak on April 21, 2021, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 20, 2021, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on April 20, 2021, 06:25:14 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 18, 2021, 03:36:56 PM
Should humans be inherently evil?

They should not be and yet here we are.

You're assuming the posters here are human?

Why would I assume that?

There you are, posting on theRPGSite, and all of sudden you are a human! You didn't ask for this. You didn't choose this. And yet, there it is...

"I've seen things you people wouldn't believe..."

The human race is evil and badly designed yet we exist and play our existence like a absurd and hopeless game. Dear me ! I thought the idiots who blabber about evil races were projecting their nihilistic and empty view on themselves and humankind, but no, they are doing stupid things that only magnify my utter contempt for those cultists of progressive (actually Marxism and Communist rhetoric regurgitate by uncouth morons who are barely litterate but whatever).

Are they using their platform as a mean to join the vast herd of WotC freelancers, used because they are cheap as fuck and disposable like garbage ?

Could they find a hobby they actually like/love instead of infiltrate one which they appear to loathe with the might of their petty and diseased mind ?

Meanwhile, I had tremendous joy and fun at my last D&D to witness my players (I am the DM) utterly annihilate a goblin nest, goblin slayer style.

Can we all just agree that this thing that has co-opted and replaced Extra Credits is a raging idiot?
Much like Disney, GW and WOTC are not the companies they used to be.

Quote from: Omega on April 22, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
Can we all just agree that this thing that has co-opted and replaced Extra Credits is a raging idiot?
Much like Disney, GW and WOTC are not the companies they used to be.

The actual writer is the same guy, they went off their rockers when gamergate happened

Quote from: Slambo on April 22, 2021, 12:23:22 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 22, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
Can we all just agree that this thing that has co-opted and replaced Extra Credits is a raging idiot?
Much like Disney, GW and WOTC are not the companies they used to be.

The actual writer is the same guy, they went off their rockers when gamergate happened

The primary writer is. I think that the guy who used to host/speak used to at least help curate topics.

Quote from: Charon's Little Helper on April 22, 2021, 12:36:01 PM

Quote from: Slambo on April 22, 2021, 12:23:22 PM

Quote from: Omega on April 22, 2021, 10:57:06 AM
Can we all just agree that this thing that has co-opted and replaced Extra Credits is a raging idiot?
Much like Disney, GW and WOTC are not the companies they used to be.

The actual writer is the same guy, they went off their rockers when gamergate happened

The primary writer is. I think that the guy who used to host/speak used to at least help curate topics.

hmm. Different from what I heard. But wouldnt surprise me if were true.

Quote from: Shasarak on April 21, 2021, 06:21:34 PM
Why would I assume that?

On the Internet, nobody knows you're an orc.

Quote from: Reckall on April 22, 2021, 06:05:43 AM

Quote from: Shasarak on April 21, 2021, 06:21:34 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 20, 2021, 07:20:50 PM

Quote from: Shasarak on April 20, 2021, 06:25:14 PM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 18, 2021, 03:36:56 PM
Should humans be inherently evil?

They should not be and yet here we are.

You're assuming the posters here are human?

Why would I assume that?

There you are, posting on theRPGSite, and all of sudden you are a human! You didn't ask for this. You didn't choose this. And yet, there it is...

Also, you are likely to be eaten by a grue unless Gandhi goes nuts and lets the nukes fly.

for simplification purpose i have my own formula for what constitutes good or evil as far as game rules that hinge on such a determination. I base it on the nature of the thing alone; humans ARE neutral, but they can do good or evil, doing either doesn't make them not neutral, unless they become gifted with a fiendish or celestial template or imbual they are neither good or evil regardless of their actions.  they can serve either, it makes no difference, inherently, what they ARE, like most creatures from the material prime, is neutral.

By this same method I have celestials as always good, as a function of what they ARE, even if it commits evil it is not considered an evil creature unless it is from or bound in service to the lower planes.

likewise a demon is evil, even if it is good hearted does good and is misunderstood, the paladin will still detect it as evil and smite will work even if it was elstwise lawful good in every regard. its simply made out of negative evil meat and energy.

To do otherwise is to argue with neckbeards about their actions and alignment and the behavior of the sword they hold and so on.

http://dmsworkshop.com/2021/04/03/evil-orcs/

Quoteby encouraging a DM to use a non-human enemy to avoid the appearance of racism, I gave this admin a conniption fit so intense they threatened to ban me.

Quote from: Slipshot762 on July 22, 2021, 04:01:33 PM
for simplification purpose i have my own formula for what constitutes good or evil as far as game rules that hinge on such a determination. I base it on the nature of the thing alone; humans ARE neutral, but they can do good or evil, doing either doesn't make them not neutral, unless they become gifted with a fiendish or celestial template or imbual they are neither good or evil regardless of their actions.  they can serve either, it makes no difference, inherently, what they ARE, like most creatures from the material prime, is neutral.

By this same method I have celestials as always good, as a function of what they ARE, even if it commits evil it is not considered an evil creature unless it is from or bound in service to the lower planes.

likewise a demon is evil, even if it is good hearted does good and is misunderstood, the paladin will still detect it as evil and smite will work even if it was elstwise lawful good in every regard. its simply made out of negative evil meat and energy.

To do otherwise is to argue with neckbeards about their actions and alignment and the behavior of the sword they hold and so on.

Which leads to hilarious situations where Asmodeus detects as Lawful Good.

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