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Author Topic: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”  (Read 1668 times)

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #1 on: April 04, 2021, 06:34:49 PM »
3 to 1 downvotes from an audience that is already pretty far into woke territory.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #2 on: April 04, 2021, 06:56:04 PM »
After the "playing Nazis will make you a REAL Nazi!" piece they did and their ongoing woke agenda inserted into practically every vid since they ousted some of the original crew... this was inevitable.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #3 on: April 04, 2021, 07:39:31 PM »
Woke BS

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #4 on: April 04, 2021, 09:17:50 PM »
Blizzard Entertainment has a huge problem with this in their RTS games. They introduced groups like the Orcish Horde, Night Elf Sentinels, Zerg Swarm, and Protoss Empire as originally antagonistic to humanity and then warped them into unambiguous heroes who team up with humanity to fight space demons.

I hate that so much. I actually like playable conquistadors and alien monsters because they’re such a novelty. Taking that option away from me is childish and cruel. These are military scifi/fantasy RTS games! The whole point is for the playable sides to wage war against each other.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #5 on: April 04, 2021, 09:21:45 PM »
Woke BS



Trying to bring 40K into the woke-o-sphere has been hilarious.
It's a parody setting full of literal facism and oppression in the human Imperium contrasted with all the other races and factions being as bad or probably worse in their own ways.

Using it as some kind of example of morality shows how tone deaf EC has become.
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #6 on: April 04, 2021, 10:22:31 PM »
Seems more like unfashionable game design.
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #7 on: April 04, 2021, 11:14:35 PM »
The real thing they are saying is:

"I think some ideas scare me so much I don't believe the public at large is to be trusted with the notion of entertaining them even as a fantastical theoretical".

That's really what this video and their Nazi one are really saying. They are just unwilling to be intellectually honest about that.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #8 on: April 04, 2021, 11:17:11 PM »
Yes, that is exactly what they are secretly saying. I can hear the dog whistle and I obey.
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #9 on: April 05, 2021, 01:04:38 AM »
Why I would delve further into such arrant nonsense?

Players like butchering things horribly. We must give them a socially acceptable way to do so. This is why zombie movies are so popular - people feel uncomfortable watching someone gunning down human waves of Chinese communists, or Burmese militia (hi Rambo!) or the like, but nobody's worried about the feelings and culture of zombies... or orcs.

With an inherently evil or mindless race of monsters, we can butcher them horribly without guilt. They are thus a necessary element of game design. We don't game for moral subtlety, we're playing D&D, not doing Moral Philosophy 101.
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #10 on: April 05, 2021, 01:27:46 AM »
Ok.  Not going to comment on the content because that video's unwatchable.

Seriously how can anyone over the age of 5 sit through such patronisingly stupidly presented shit.

I assume that if their target audience is apparently so juvenile then they aren't going to have anything new to say that I need to hear.

I really don't understand the current fad for watching endless youtube videos made by people whose only qualification is their innate sense of their own importance.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #11 on: April 05, 2021, 01:46:57 AM »
You're old, or old at heart, or both, I don't know. Cloud's over there for yelling at.
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #12 on: April 05, 2021, 03:34:57 AM »
Ugh, that video was so arrogant and condescending, it makes me want to punch the creators in the face. They act like they’re interested in making games and/or settings more fun, but you can tell that they are really just being woke and implying that people who disagree with them are racists. In fact, they couldn’t help but throw in some Nazis and KKK in there is a demonstration of true absolute evil that you can kill without remorse.

Anyway, after watching that video, I hate to say it but I actually prefer not to have races/species/whatever  that are always evil. The reason why is because I prefer the moral complexity of more realistic scenarios where there are shades of gray on both sides of conflicts, where even villains have an aspect of humanity. Ironically, the kind of leftists who say that you can’t have orcs in a game because they represent blacks are the kind of people who see the world in black and white terms, with no nuance, where they are pure good and the evil racists (like Trump voters or 40K players) are pure evil.

Really though, it’s a subjective preference. Sometimes people want a game where they can contemplate and struggle with moral complexity, sometimes you just want some monsters that you can fight without having to think about that stuff. There is no real world significance to making orcs as morally complex as humans or making them all absolute evil personified.

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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #13 on: April 05, 2021, 04:34:32 AM »
That's really what this video and their Nazi one are really saying. They are just unwilling to be intellectually honest about that.
The Nazi one was flatly stupid but this one... I'm not even sure of what they are saying. The assumption is stupid but I wasn't able to really follow the rest (and I watched it twice). For a video that wants to "impart wisdom", it is as confused as hell.  :P
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Re: Extra Credits: “Evil Races are Bad Game Design”
« Reply #14 on: April 05, 2021, 05:04:48 AM »
3 to 1 downvotes from an audience that is already pretty far into woke territory.
The first time I checked the video the upvotes surpassed the downvotes by far. When I checked it again, a couple of days later, the upvotes had stopped and the downvotes were raining down with no sign of stopping. I guess that the first upvotes were from their built-in woke audience. Then word spreads around and the rest of the Internet gives its own opinion.

Luckily for them, shortly YouTube will hide the downvotes. Creators will still be able to see them, but for us unwashed masses only upvotes will be available. If this is a consequence of some big corporations like Disney being recently downvoted into oblivion after some very stupid announcements is everybody's guess. For sure YouTube never had any problems for the downvotes on my videos...  ::)

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