"Excellence in Gaming"... LOL

Omega · June 27, 2023, 06:54:24 PM

I just want to know how much these jokers have to fork out to buy the award.

Rob Necronomicon · June 27, 2023, 06:57:55 PM

Quote from: Omega on June 27, 2023, 06:54:24 PM
I just want to know how much these jokers have to fork out to buy the award.

They are all stunning and brave if you ask me.

RPGPundit · June 27, 2023, 06:58:12 PM

Quote from: LouProsperi on June 26, 2023, 08:04:01 PM
Quote from: Rob Necronomicon on June 26, 2023, 07:32:48 PM
Quote from: LouProsperi on June 26, 2023, 07:01:32 PM
Tell us you don't understand the point of this award and that your jealous of the recognition the nominees

Absolutely... I weep deeply for not having the 'recognition' and I'm totally 'jealous' too!!

Oh, won't someone please give me an award from these whoeverthefucks??

I'm willing to bet that if you or Pundit were nominated for this award you'd be far less critical.

And if you bothered to look at the names of the committee members you'd realize that being recognized by people with their experience and credentials means you're doing something right.

Lou Prosperi

is that the committee where they've got 50 members but only a tiny number are public, but they are mainly super proud of how "we're lucky to have BIPOC committee members to offer their perspective, as well as women and non-binary professionals"?
That committee?

Complete fucking trash.

RPGPundit · June 27, 2023, 07:01:47 PM

Quote from: S'mon on June 27, 2023, 01:50:25 AM
It's interesting looking at the previous winners and how it transitioned to a fully Woke award. From Wikipedia:

2001: Peter Adkison, founder of Wizards of the Coast.
2002: awarded jointly to Ron Edwards and his game Sorcerer.
2003: awarded jointly to Jordan Weisman, a founder of FASA Corporation and WizKids, and to Nobilis second edition.
2004: My Life with Master by Paul Czege.
2005: Ticket to Ride, the board game by Alan Moon, published by Days of Wonder.
2006: Irish Game Convention Charity Auctions, at Gaelcon and Warpcon, for their generosity.
2007: The Great Pendragon Campaign, by Greg Stafford, a supplement for the Pendragon role-playing game (published by White Wolf, Inc.).
2008: awarded jointly to Grey Ranks by Jason Morningstar, and to Wolfgang Baur and his Open Design business model.
2009: Dominion, a card game by Donald X. Vaccarino (published by Rio Grande Games)
2010: Boardgamegeek.com, a website edited by Scott Alden and Derk Solko.[11]
2011: Fiasco, a roleplaying game by Jason Morningstar.[12]
2012: Nordic Larp, a book about the LARP scene in the Nordic countries, edited by Jaakko Stenros and Markus Montola.[13]
2013: Tabletop, a web series where various celebrities join Wil Wheaton in playing board games.[14]
2014: Hillfolk an RPG by Robin Laws.[15]
2015: The Guide to Glorantha by Greg Stafford, Sandy Petersen and Jeff Richard, published by Moon Design Publications. A large two volume sourcebook for Stafford's fantasy world of Glorantha.
2016: Eric Lang, game designer
2017: Gen Con, the game convention where the Diana Jones Award is presented
2018: Actual Play, the "movement within hobby games in which people record and broadcast their game sessions — particularly campaigns of tabletop roleplaying games — over the internet"[16]
2019: Star Crossed, a role-playing game by Alex Roberts, published by Bully Pulpit Games[17]
2020: Black Excellence in Gaming, awarded to more than two dozen black professionals including Omari Akil, Maurice Broaddus, Allie Bustion, Tanya DePass, Brandon Dixon, Julia B. Ellingboe, Jerry Grayson, Shareef Jackson, Cliff "CJ" Jones, Eric Lang, Eloy Lasanta, Rich Lescouflair, Brandon O'Brien, Cody Pondsmith, Mike Pondsmith, Marcus Ross and Cara Michele Ryan, Laura Simpson, Chris Spivey, Bryan Tillman, Allen Turner, Aaron Trammell, Jabari Weathers, Travis Williams, and Camdon Wright.[18][19]
2021: NIBCARD Games, "A strong and original voice in publishing, creating a community of new makers and players across Africa and setting an example to the rest of the world of how to use games to make a difference."[20]
2022: Ajit George, for his activism in advocating for a more representative and diverse hobby games industry.[21]

Looking at the website descriptions, 2001-18 all seem to be about gaming. The 2019 award seems marginal, it looks like it was primarily about promoting a LGBTQI game rather than eg design excellence, but 2020 is a clear inflection point where it becomes explicitly a Woke award. If I were Mike Pondsmith I'd have felt pretty patronised to be given a pat on the head for my 'black excellence in gaming' along with a bunch of relative nobodies!

BTW I had always assumed it was named after fantasy author Diana Jones, the Wikipedia article disabused me:

The Diana Jones trophy was originally created as a keepsake in the UK offices of TSR in the mid 1980s to commemorate the ending of their license to publish The Adventures of Indiana Jones Role-Playing Game.[5] The trophy itself was a lucite pyramid containing the burnt remains of the last unsold copy of the game; all that was legible of the title was "diana Jones".[5] (There is no relation of the award with fantasy author Diana Wynne Jones.) The trophy was "liberated" and eventually ended up with the Diana Jones committee.[6] The destruction of "one of the least-loved and critically savaged games of all time" was seen an appropriate symbol for an award for excellence in gaming.[2][7] The trophy also contains a counter that reads "Nazi™" from the game.[8]

It was complete shit from 2002 onwards, apparently

Omega · June 27, 2023, 09:13:19 PM

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 27, 2023, 07:01:47 PM

It was complete shit from 2002 onwards, apparently

Ticket to Ride, while not my thing, is a pretty solid board game that has endured where others have not.

I wonder how much BGG had to grease palms to get that award. Ironic as they take bribes from publishers regularly to doctor the rules for blatant advertising.

And Nordic LARP got an award. That is hilarious as far too many nordic LARPers come across as thinly veiled racists at the least, and borderline murder wanna-bes at worst.

S'mon · June 28, 2023, 03:28:53 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 27, 2023, 07:01:47 PM
It was complete shit from 2002 onwards, apparently

Mostly Forge-y stuff and ignoring OSR, but still mostly gaming related until 2019 I think.

DKChannelBoredom · June 28, 2023, 07:00:14 AM

Quote from: Omega on June 27, 2023, 09:13:19 PM
And Nordic LARP got an award. That is hilarious as far too many nordic LARPers come across as thinly veiled racists at the least, and borderline murder wanna-bes at worst.

Could you expand a little... as a nordic larper I would like to know, who to avoid.

Also, Rosenstrasse is a good, and well tested, game.

I · June 28, 2023, 07:04:29 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on June 27, 2023, 07:01:47 PM

It was complete shit from 2002 onwards, apparently

Eh, I'd argue that the Pendragon and Runequest stuff absolutely deserved it. I have that two-volume Glorantha guide and there's nothing remotely Woke about it. Looks to me like they went off the rails in 2016, with the advent of the Trumpening that deranged libtards across the country.

blackstone · June 28, 2023, 07:42:14 AM

Lou's reply lately?

Crickets. All I hear is crickets..

That's because it's EXACTLY what it is: a bunch of virtue signaling nonsense.

You can't defend that.

AND, if you're really that delusional to think people are jealous to not to be included, well I got some news for ya: I'd be EMBARRASED to be up for this non-award. It's the equivalent to getting a participation trophy for 10th place at a swim meet and there were only nine swimmers.

so, go back to your "Committee" a huff each others farts, okay?

blackstone · June 28, 2023, 08:02:45 AM

Quote from: Exploderwizard on June 26, 2023, 08:00:38 AM
Quote from: Theory of Games on June 25, 2023, 10:18:57 PM
More like the Socialists, Jerks & Whiners Participation Award

LOL! Yes you too can throw off the yolk of colonialism and play Coyote & Crow, where you get to play authentic native American adventures without the influence of white devils. You will get to do exciting things such as enslaving enemy tribes, and burning captives alive. Fun for the whole family. Ages 10 and up.

You forgot the best part: cannibalism.

I really hope there are rules for cannibalism...NOT!

Reading the description of the game, as a historian, I cringed when "Evils of colonialism" popped up right in my face. To the writer of the game: it's just colonialism. Stop projecting your personal views. It's post-modern nonsense. Practically every culture/society has practiced colonialism in one form or another. to imply it was exclusively the "White man's" is ignorant and dishonest.

BadApple · June 28, 2023, 09:48:40 AM

Quote from: LouProsperi on June 26, 2023, 07:01:32 PM
Tell us you don't understand the point of this award and that your jealous of the recognition the nominees will get without saying you don't understand the point of this award and that your jealous of the recognition the nominees will get.

It's not an award for game design, and it's not an award based on popularity or sales. This award was created as reaction to the other awards where the winners are based on popularity. The members of the committee (those who who select the nominees and pick the winner) are all game industry professionals with extensive experience and credentials.

For those who care to look, the process for how the nominees and winner are selected is here:

https://www.dianajonesaward.org/nominations-deadlines/

Lou Prosperi

I can't tell if this post is supposed to be coping or gas lighting.

"Industry Professionals" is not a meaningful term, in this context. There's a number of things being published where it's evident there wasn't any effort to turn out functional play material. Art layout coordinators and sensitivity readers are "industry professionals" but that doesn't' mean they know anything about what players at tables do, let alone what they want and need.

This link also says nothing meaningful about your selection process.

Exploderwizard · June 28, 2023, 11:13:17 AM

Quote from: BadApple on June 28, 2023, 09:48:40 AM

This link also says nothing meaningful about your selection process.

Actually the list of nominees says it all. To qualify for consideration:
Non while +5 points
Female +3 points
Gay +4 points
Trans/ Non Binary +5 points
White -5 points
Male -3 points
Straight -4 points
Identify as birth sex -5 points

The candidates with the higest point totals for the virtue signaling awards will be up for consideration.

LouProsperi · June 28, 2023, 11:53:32 AM

Edited. I'm clearly not a good fit for discussions on this site. I bow to your collective and superior wisdom.

Rob Necronomicon · June 28, 2023, 12:02:38 PM

Quote from: LouProsperi on June 28, 2023, 11:53:32 AM
think this is little more than virtue signaling. I disagree. And since I know and respect several members of the committee (many of whom have infinitely more experience in the game industry than any of you here) and I know they are people of integrity, I feel confident in my assessment.

No one cares what you think here because you have no credibility whatsoever. You're just another dweeb on the internet whose opinion is a mouse fart in a maelstrom.

However, I'm sticking with my hypotheses given the nature and type of this year's selection for this deeply prestigious award. Occam's razor and all.
But maybe I'm wrong.

Horace · June 28, 2023, 12:15:29 PM

"(There is no relation of the award with fantasy author Diana Wynne Jones.)"

Good. But they're still unintentedly besmirching her name.