So I'm new.

But what the hell is up with Exalted 3? Its been 6 months since they even had a development schedule up. It's apparently ok to just blow your deadline and then say "yeah we aren't even bothering with deadlines anymore." What the Fuck?!

I mean if your contractor did that you would flip the fuck out.

Even worse is that rpg.net has several of the writers as moderators. So I really dont think asking anything over there will go well. I've tried to contact people through kickstarter messenger and all Rob said was essentially "making RPG's is hard!"

I know making RPG's isn't easy but fuck! Works of philosophy, history, and hard science have been written in less time than you claim to have been working on this fucking thing.

God, it feels good to get that out.

Welcome to the wonderful world of Kickstarter.

It's not all bad, but it's close to it.

Quote from: JeremyR;732808Welcome to the wonderful world of Kickstarter.

It's not all bad, but it's close to it.

I've backed a few other things and was pleasantly surprised how different they were. They were clear what was going to happen. They were clear about development. They were clear about delays. None of that is happening with this one and it really bothers me. As I'm sure its obvious.

Maybe its irrational but I get the feeling from what I see on the kickstarter page and the statements of the developers as few as they have been. That I'm supposed to shut up and take what they give me and be glad to get it.

I know others have had issues with Kickstarters way worse than mine. But still it bothers me.

Reasons not to back kickstarters. It might work for some, but damned if I am throwing money at things like that.

It's KS so delays are a given.

TBH most people were estimating those delays almost from the get go. Given the lead developer had severe illness for 3-4 months of last year, I don't think anyone realistically expects to see Ex3 any sooner than the end of this year.

Quote from: Skywalker;732823It's KS so delays are a given.

TBH most people were estimating those delays almost from the get go. Given the lead developer had severe illness for 3-4 months of last year, I don't think anyone realistically expects to see Ex3 any sooner than the end of this year.

Then why don't they just say that? A simple announce of...
"We have experienced significant delays to health issues with the lead developer and our initial estimates were overly optimistic. As such we are pushing back the publication schedule. We are planning to have the pdf ready to ship before the end of the fourth quarter of 2014. This timeline maybe revised again as circumstances dictate and we will give you more specific dates in the future as we are able. Thank you all for your patience and we are sorry for any inconvenience."

See I'm not even a developer and I can write that announcement.

It's a big contrast between that and their Kickstarters for old and new World of Darkness stuff, where typically they have had the entire text of the product ready for backer inspection before the funding campaign even begins. I guess they have learned a lot from Exalted 3.

Quote from: DisgruntleFairy;732824Then why don't they just say that?

There has been consistent updates on all those matters via updates. The only thing they haven't said was a specific expected date as its still not certain enough.

Why do you even care about the release of the initial product? It's for the same old, played-out "Solars against the world" that we've had for over a decade. But with a slightly reworked system and a heavy side of "trust us, it will be awesome even though it's the same Storyteller shit". With bonus "no support for any other type of Exalt yet" - and good luck on them appearing.

OP is right.

Imagine Dwimmermount, only with J Mal being a RPGnet mod, and no Autarch to step in. Oh, and no access to the draft.

Glad I skipped this one.

Quote from: Kiero;732839Why do you even care about the release of the initial product? It's for the same old, played-out "Solars against the world" that we've had for over a decade. But with a slightly reworked system and a heavy side of "trust us, it will be awesome even though it's the same Storyteller shit". With bonus "no support for any other type of Exalt yet" - and good luck on them appearing.

Yeah, I absolutely agree with Kiero. What's the point? If they'd streamlined everything and made all the Exalt types etc available in the main core rulebook then maybe but as it stands...why want this?

Quote from: The ButcherImagine Dwimmermount, only with J Mal being a RPGnet mod, and no Autarch to step in. Oh, and no access to the draft.

Glad I skipped this one.

Haha yeah this too.

Kickstarter isn't the problem; if Exalted 3 had been based on the "traditional" "publisher fronts all of the costs, then releases" model, it would still be delayed.

Delays aren't even the problem, because a couple of days after it eventually arrives, it won't matter that it was late. A delayed game is eventually good, but a rushed game is forever bad.

Communication is a problem. I get that the authors have set themselves a huge task, and I get the feeling they've bitten off more than they can chew, but the actual fanbase would be more accepting of them just admitting it.

The workload is the ridiculous thing, though. They've got to develop a game system with more moving parts than a Magic core set, on RPG industry pay scales. That's a fucking joke. It's not going to happen.

As ever with kickstarter - caveat emptor! Things could get delayed. Things could even be shit when they arrive - but you're not paying for something to be brilliant, you're paying for something to exist.

Quote from: Kiero;732839Why do you even care about the release of the initial product? It's for the same old, played-out "Solars against the world" that we've had for over a decade. But with a slightly reworked system and a heavy side of "trust us, it will be awesome even though it's the same Storyteller shit". With bonus "no support for any other type of Exalt yet" - and good luck on them appearing.

Quoted for truth.

Wake me up when they roll out Exalted 20th Anniversary Edition, with all the splats in the core. It's probably going to be the size of Ptolus and three times the price but I am slightly more likely to fund this than Exalted 3e.

Quote from: The Ent;732852Yeah, I absolutely agree with Kiero. What's the point? If they'd streamlined everything and made all the Exalt types etc available in the main core rulebook then maybe but as it stands...why want this?

Quote from: The Butcher;732882Quoted for truth.

Wake me up when they roll out Exalted 20th Anniversary Edition, with all the splats in the core. It's probably going to be the size of Ptolus and three times the price but I am slightly more likely to fund this than Exalted 3e.

For a moment, I was tempted to go and post a thread with this very topic back on TBP (ie "why would anyone want to go back to 2001/2006 all over again"), then I realised it would be all the ammunition my haters need to try to get me banned again. Fundamentally, I don't give enough of a shit about Exalted to bother.

If the game turns out not to be a polished turd (and I'm not hopeful) my group might give it a go later on, once they've released some splats we actually want to play (hint: Solars ain't it), and there's been the usual round of debugging and errata.

I've always wondered why Exalted is relatively popular.