What I am personally annoyed about is that Rich Thomas doesn't have time to respond to messages making legitimate enquiries about shipment of Ex3 books, yet he finds time to troll threads on Ex3: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/1070312-i-got-my-book-it-s-super-fancy-and-i-can-t-read-the-cover?_=1490991384996 :mad:

Quote from: Skywalker;955062What I am personally annoyed about is that Rich Thomas doesn't have time to respond to messages making legitimate enquiries about shipment of Ex3 books, yet he finds time to troll threads on Ex3: http://forum.theonyxpath.com/forum/main-category/exalted/1070312-i-got-my-book-it-s-super-fancy-and-i-can-t-read-the-cover?_=1490991384996 :mad:

And he is a big baby about his new script. Unbelievable! PR handicaped is putting it nicely. And he is the fucking boss, no less. Just groan and headshake worthy, that.
As i said, throw that dude on the same pile as Holden an Morke. To bad he can't be fired.

Quote from: RPGPundit;954930I'm closing this thread when it hits 300 pages; but people can start a new one after that, if they want.

Will the thread "Questioning chirine ba kal" obtain the same treatment?

Quote from: Skywalker;955106Will the thread "Questioning chirine ba kal" obtain the same treatment?

Huh, yeah that one is almost twice as long as this one.

Damn, these people are really forgiving about their 350 dollar signed and numbered editions not being signed or numbered.

Quote from: Future Villain Band;954400Well, we're talking about the difference between the theory behind fighting games popped into an RPG, and an RPG meant to give you a fighting game feel in an RPG.  

To me, I see a lot of Sirlin's Playing to Win in Exalted 3.  You can persuasively argue that a TTRPG is a bad place to put a bunch of variables like essence, initiative, different types of move, a keyword system, and a bunch of different game exceptions in the form of Charms, plus multiple types of magic, multiple types of Exalt, all at once, in combat, but that doesn't necessarily mean it's designed badly.  All those parts could work splendidly together.  It's just a lot of people might think it's too much to deal with at the table and turns the game into a slog.

As an example, for me, D&D 4e ran alright -- it balanced well, all my players had something to do at low-levels in combat, etc.  On the other hand, I needed a combat assistant program to track everybody's conditions, everybody's various statuses, and a map to track how people were moving and being moved by various powers.  At the end of the day, to my mind, a videogame does that kind of technical shit better, and I don't have to be the guy dealing with it.  I think 4e was initially well-designed, but I didn't like to run it.

And I feel a part of good design in understanding your requirements. D&D is a game meant to be played at a table by a wide, mainstream audience without a need for automated computation. If someone is assigned the job of designing a new edition of D&D with enough moving parts to give the average DM as headache, it is a poorly designed edition of D&D. It's doesn't matter how elegant the "balance" is.

Quote from: Spike;954937Well, by my count that leaves all the time in the world. Damn ten year old thread has only hit 75 pages, yo!

I really gotta copy down that Azreal (or whomever) Rant/screed. So perfectly encapsulates why I hate abstract wealth systems, if nothing else. I just know that five years from now I'm really gonna want to reference it and I won't have a damn clue where I read it.

There are some games where I can deal with abstract wealth. For example, I'm fine with it a modern investigative game in the Call of Cthulhu model. PCs usually make their money in off-screen day jobs, and it isn't a real plot motivation. Abstraction can work fine.

Exalted, is not the kind of game where I want my wealth to be abstract though.

Quote from: Anglachel;955066And he is a big baby about his new script. Unbelievable! PR handicaped is putting it nicely. And he is the fucking boss, no less. Just groan and headshake worthy, that.
As i said, throw that dude on the same pile as Holden an Morke. To bad he can't be fired.

Depends how you look it. He can't technically be fired, but all the big games he publishes are licensed. Having those yanked would hurt. They could carry on with just Trinity and Scion, but they would be a much lower profile company than they are today.

Quote from: Nexus;955109Damn, these people are really forgiving about their 350 dollar signed and numbered editions not being signed or numbered.

It seems like the instinct that conmen rely on where a victim feels too foolish to admit they were ripped off.

I've seen the excuse that OPP simply didn't understand the difficulty in getting the book signed and numbered when they made the offer. I might shrug and accept that if this were a first timer who got in over their head with Kickstarter, but the Exalted Kickstarter page even brags about their expertise at this sort of thing.

"We have successfully shipped two Deluxe books funded by KS backers, and two more are at press. All those books have taught us how the various pieces of the process works, and the creators of EX3 have over a century of combined experience in the writing, art direction, developing and layout of beautiful tabletop RPG books"

Quote from: Baulderstone;955119There are some games where I can deal with abstract wealth. For example, I'm fine with it a modern investigative game in the Call of Cthulhu model. PCs usually make their money in off-screen day jobs, and it isn't a real plot motivation. Abstraction can work fine.

Exalted, is not the kind of game where I want my wealth to be abstract though.

The wealth system has been a pet peeve of mine since 1st edition. It felt like a ill considered hold over from Storyteller out of laziness which lead to an ability even some Charms that either did nothing or were totally up to ST fiat and improve to make worthwhile. Plus I agree the that type of wealth abstraction works better in more modern setting with wide spread features like fiat money, credit, banking and where PC rewards aren't often in the form of concrete wealth.

Fiat money, credit and banking exist in my version of Creation, at least in places like Nexus;).

Quote from: Nexus;955107Huh, yeah that one is almost twice as long as this one.

Yeah but that thread is worth something.  This one was over the first time someone mentioned Godbound.

Quote from: CRKrueger;955151Yeah but that thread is worth something.  This one was over the first time someone mentioned Godbound.

Only by half, I'd say. Godbound has far more solid rules, but the setting (while perfectly serviceable) is kind of sketchy. Whereas Exalted's setting is so good that people have endured a decade of mechanics that are universally agreed to be atrocious in order to use it.

I would be all over a restyled "running Exalted with the Godbound rules" thread, though, since I'm actually doing precisely that in three different campaigns by now. And it's sooooo goooood.

This has some worth.  It exposes the greatness of Sine Nomine Publishing and the utter shittyness of Onyx Path.

Quote from: Baeraad;955156Only by half, I'd say. Godbound has far more solid rules, but the setting (while perfectly serviceable) is kind of sketchy. Whereas Exalted's setting is so good that people have endured a decade of mechanics that are universally agreed to be atrocious in order to use it.

I would be all over a restyled "running Exalted with the Godbound rules" thread, though, since I'm actually doing precisely that in three different campaigns by now. And it's sooooo goooood.

Step 1, buy the full rules;).

Quote from: CRKrueger;955151Yeah but that thread is worth something.  This one was over the first time someone mentioned Godbound.

Well, if you like Godbound I suppose so.

Quote from: Baulderstone;955119There are some games where I can deal with abstract wealth. For example, I'm fine with it a modern investigative game in the Call of Cthulhu model. PCs usually make their money in off-screen day jobs, and it isn't a real plot motivation. Abstraction can work fine.

Exalted, is not the kind of game where I want my wealth to be abstract though.

That's a good take away from my rant. Plenty of games can make abstract wealth work fine (for instance, I never had a problem with it in burning wheel) but Exalted? It's got such a massive amount of mechanical complexity and heavy lifting for the GM; it's a huge mistake to decide to abstract this chunk of rules. Rules which would clearly benefit the game with their detail.

These guys churned out what has to be a record breaking bullet-stopper of a game book and thing that signing and numbering them is just 'soo much work' they can't be bothered with it?

I mean: its not the sort of thing that actually bothers me as a fan. I think my Gurps 4 book is signed and maybe? numbered, but I just use it like I do any other game book, which is shameful of me, I guess. I may have even thrown away the dust jackets for the books, since they are more trouble than they are worth (WHich is high crimes territory for some collectors, I know...)

But what that attitude says about the Devs is staggering.  Even if I liked their work, I would never hire... or given that I may never hire anyone in my life... would never give money to anyone that displayed that level of unprofessionalism and just balls out laziness.  Useless has-been washed up celebrities sign tens of thousands of photographs at conventions for fans every single year. If those lazy prima-donna assholes can manage that, you can sign a few hundred copies of your fucking book.   Jesus, there are web cartoonists that make these guys look like a clown show fer christs sake!