Quote from: trechriron;1098702Now, if you want to talk about symbols and colors on dice, the size or readability of said dice, the colors chosen for book sections, etc. That's cool. Keeping color blind people, or people with bad vision, or people with other limitations in mind that you can make easier by a design choice, awesome! All this sounds like is another side-ways attempt at censorship and thought control.

Tiny text is a bad habit I have to keep bashing designers over the head to stop doing. If you need a microfiche reader just to read the damn text then you have failed right out the gate.

Others need to occasionally be reminded that using colour only to ID things is going to make the game potentially unplayable for some. Though a few years ago there was a rather unpleasant group amongst the colourblind game design/playtest groups. Long gone now it seems.

And so on. Being considerate is perfectly fine. Pretending to be considerate so you can virtue signal is the diametric opposite of fine.

Part of why some of us like Gurps. Because it does not (or at least didnt) sugar coat the bitter pill.

Quote from: Longshadow;1098727A brief discussion with whomever runs the Evil Hat facebook page seems to indicate that by removing mechanical benefits to playing disabled characters (such as getting extra points to put into your GURPS character) was the goal. So you would play a blind or wheelchair bound character because its what you wanted, instead of paying off your Professor X powers. I'm not sure why this was supposed to make players with disabilities make characters with disabilities though.

This really boils down to the crux of the issue. Why can't people just mind their own fucking business? If you want to be a champion of Social Justice, or are concerned about how people with disabilities are treated, then actually do something about it. If you (in general, not you Longshadow...) believe that removing GURPS disadvantages is going to have some meaningful impact on the plight of the disabled you are truly a delusional fucking moron of the highest order. It hardly qualifies as a true smoke screen because your obvious self-masturbatory virtual signaling just got all over our liberty. At least bring a fucking towel bro.

Now. I'm not saying - in the act of minding you're own business - that you should then ignore injustice, mistreatment or oppression. I'm not saying that. Don't get your Underoos in a knot*. But for fucks sake. When the world is asking you to step up, treat people fairly, love your neighbor, be a good person and your reaction is "look mom, I shit all over my competitors game so people will like me!" - you are not helping.

PLEASE!! Onlookers and lurkers alike. DO NOT BE FOOLED!! The outrage brigade does not give one FUCK about the disabled. Or minorities. Or women. They want to weaponize your empathy against you. They are using the Cause Dejour to oppress you. They want one thing. Power! This is all they care about. They are fascists plain and simple. Watch how they eat their own regularly. They are a vain, unreasoned, uncaring bunch of asses. Of course, the far-right are no better. They just weaponize your fear instead. Gods forbid you think for yourself or have an opinion. One of the extremist polities will find you and light you on fire!

*My spiderman Underoos constantly knotted up but I always felt that had more to do with web-slingers than my attitude.

I wonder what is in the Toolkit?
As far as I know, if you want to play a Fate character with any major hindrance or disability, then it was just listed as the 'Trouble Aspect', and you riff off that.
Simple, clean, and it works really well for the system.
There really doesn't need to be a splat book about it that is also being put up as some noble virtue of the rpg industry.
I won't comment much more unless I read the pdf at some stage, otherwise I'm just talking outta my arse.
But I fail to see how an entire product has ballooned out by this.

Quote from: Mankcam;1098824I won't comment much more unless I read the pdf at some stage, otherwise I'm just talking outta my arse. But I fail to see how an entire product has ballooned out by this.

Here's the store page:

https://www.drivethrurpg.com/product/283738/Fate-Accessibility-Toolkit-o-Prototype-Edition

Quote from: Storepage;1098824Inside the Fate Accessibility Toolkit you'll find:

• An exploration of the challenges and experiences facing people with a variety of physical and mental disabilities, in their own words.
• Advice on compassionately and respectfully playing characters with disabilities, as well as strategies for welcoming disabled players to your game table.
• Discussion of specific disabilities, including blindness, D/deafness and hardness of hearing, mobility issues, dwarfism, chronic illness, autism, depression, anxiety, schizophrenia, bipolarity, and PTSD.
• Options for representing disability in the Fate system, using a mix of aspects, stunts, and conditions, and including an exploration of adaptive devices available to characters across a variety of settings.
• Appendices focused on creating safe spaces at your table, an ASL reference for common RPG terms, and a large-print character sheet for Fate Core.

The comments in the "discussion" section below are interesting.

Quote from: trechriron;1098823*My spiderman Underoos constantly knotted up but I always felt that had more to do with web-slingers than my attitude.

Well, silly, you're only supposed to keep one web-slinger in your pants; NOT all three.

Quote from: Antiquation!;1098827Well, silly, you're only supposed to keep one web-slinger in your pants; NOT all three.

:eek: :eek: :eek: (life changing)

Quote from: trechriron;1098836:eek: :eek: :eek: (life changing)

Uncle Ben would be so proud!

Quote from: Antiquation!;1098628The tl;dr here seems to be that GURPS may be somewhat 'problematic', in that it shouldn't rate disabilities at different point values, because  -

Okay, then, when the guy is GMing GURPS, he can wave a hand and say, "all Disadvantages now have a cost of 0 points."

Let's see how many of his players take any then.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;1098961Okay, then, when the guy is GMing GURPS, he can wave a hand and say, "all Disadvantages now have a cost of 0 points."

Let's see how many of his players take any then.

I have a wild guess...

I actually experimented with that in my own RPG wayyyyyyyy back. Handicaps were just... there. Mentioned as things a PC could start with. Or end up with through mishap.

A few still took them. And two came up with clever ideas for magical assists to counter in some way. Both players were handicapped.

Good news, the Fate Accessibility Toolkit has become a finalist in the 2019 Nebula Awards! (and for the industry as a whole, that's a good thing!)

https://www.tor.com/2020/02/20/announcing-the-2019-nebula-awards-finalists/

Category... "Game Writing"? Huh, I hadn't realized it would qualify as 'game writing' simply because it has "Fate" in the title and a few mention of Aspects sprinkled throughout the text, but I guess that shows how much I know.

My favorite comment so far: "Congratulations to Elsa and to the Evil Hat team for the Fate Accessibility Toolkit! Evil Hat has been doing great work for years, not just on tabletop roleplaying systems and scenarios, but on inclusivity and diversity in a scene long dominated by dorky-white-guy stereotypes. Their artwork always includes a variety of types of people; their scenario booklets go way beyond elfy-dwarfy fantasy and space-opera and dig into lots of non-Western cultures and myths; and now the Accessibility Toolkit steps up the game even further."

EDIT: In case you're curious, here are the other finalists in that category:

Outer Wilds, Kelsey Beachum (Mobius Digital)
The Outer Worlds, Leonard Boyarsky, Megan Starks, Kate Dollarhyde, Chris L’Etoile (Obsidian Entertainment)
The Magician’s Workshop, Kate Heartfield (Choice of Games)
Disco Elysium, Robert Kurvitz (ZA/UM)

I have to admit I'm not particularly familiar with any of them.

Greetings!

You know, I often wonder if other WHITE people--or anyone really--ever gets tired of the constant, casual racism and condescending, smug and insulting attitudes expressed by these jackasses in things like "a scene long dominated by dorky-white-guy stereotypes."

What if women, or blacks, Hispanics, or Asian gamers were always referenced in such insulting terms? Oh, that's right. We have to always speak about them in hushed, reverent tones.

But go ahead. Shit all over the "dorky white guys."

I see this kind of attitude all the time. Not just by "minorities" per se, but especially by smug, white Liberals.

And these fucking morons wonder why so many people are fierce supporters of President Trump?:rolleyes: I think this pervasive, smug and insulting attitude displayed by so many provides an enormously powerful foundation of support for President Trump.

It gets so tiresome always being insulted, disrespected, and smugly condescended to by these kinds of fucking jackasses.:mad:

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: Antiquation!;1122705Their artwork always includes a variety of types of people; their scenario booklets go way beyond elfy-dwarfy fantasy and space-opera and dig into lots of non-Western cultures and myths...

Cultural appropriation!

Quote from: Antiquation!;1122705...and now the Accessibility Toolkit steps up the game even further."

Steps up the game? Tone deaf!

Quote from: SHARK;1122706But go ahead. Shit all over the "dorky white guys."

I see this kind of attitude all the time. Not just by "minorities" per se, but especially by smug, white Liberals.

I'm a smug white conservative, thankyou very much! And you're a dorky white guy, and I'll take a giant steaming dump on you if I want to. You can't oppress my excreta!

Quote from: Antiquation!;1122705Good news, the Fate Accessibility Toolkit has become a finalist in the 2019 Nebula Awards! (and for the industry as a whole, that's a good thing!)

https://www.tor.com/2020/02/20/announcing-the-2019-nebula-awards-finalists/

Category... "Game Writing"? Huh, I hadn't realized it would qualify as 'game writing' simply because it has "Fate" in the title and a few mention of Aspects sprinkled throughout the text, but I guess that shows how much I know.

My favorite comment so far: "Congratulations to Elsa and to the Evil Hat team for the Fate Accessibility Toolkit! Evil Hat has been doing great work for years, not just on tabletop roleplaying systems and scenarios, but on inclusivity and diversity in a scene long dominated by dorky-white-guy stereotypes. Their artwork always includes a variety of types of people; their scenario booklets go way beyond elfy-dwarfy fantasy and space-opera and dig into lots of non-Western cultures and myths; and now the Accessibility Toolkit steps up the game even further."

EDIT: In case you're curious, here are the other finalists in that category:

Outer Wilds, Kelsey Beachum (Mobius Digital)
The Outer Worlds, Leonard Boyarsky, Megan Starks, Kate Dollarhyde, Chris L'Etoile (Obsidian Entertainment)
The Magician's Workshop, Kate Heartfield (Choice of Games)
Disco Elysium, Robert Kurvitz (ZA/UM)

I have to admit I'm not particularly familiar with any of them.

So an incomplete book is up against 4 video games?  Seems kind of odd.

Last I saw the FATE Accessibly Toolkit, at least according to the DTRPG page, is still in a prototype phase.  It doesn't have any of the art in it, just placeholder boxes.  Evil Hat said they would need to sell hundreds of copies to be able to pay for the art, finish the book and make it print on demand.  It's been like that since July of last year.  How does an unfinished work get nominated for an award?

Quote from: SHARK;1122706Greetings!

You know, I often wonder if other WHITE people--or anyone really--ever gets tired of the constant, casual racism and condescending, smug and insulting attitudes expressed by these jackasses in things like "a scene long dominated by dorky-white-guy stereotypes."

What if women, or blacks, Hispanics, or Asian gamers were always referenced in such insulting terms? Oh, that's right. We have to always speak about them in hushed, reverent tones.

But go ahead. Shit all over the "dorky white guys."

I see this kind of attitude all the time. Not just by "minorities" per se, but especially by smug, white Liberals.

And these fucking morons wonder why so many people are fierce supporters of President Trump?:rolleyes: I think this pervasive, smug and insulting attitude displayed by so many provides an enormously powerful foundation of support for President Trump.

It gets so tiresome always being insulted, disrespected, and smugly condescended to by these kinds of fucking jackasses.:mad:

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Silly SHARK.  Welcome to EVERY DAY OF THEIR LIVES!  You already know that us evil white people already talk about anyone not-us like that every second of every day in AmeriKKK.  We've been casually racist, smug, condescending, etc toward everyone since the beginning of time.  That's why it's ok to talk like that about white people now.  Is your white masculinity so fragile that you are getting triggered?  Who's the real snowflake?!