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Title: ENnies
Post by: Skullking on August 07, 2022, 03:07:01 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 07, 2022, 03:17:35 PM
Like all of these award ceremonies, it's nothing more than shameless pandering. I just wish I could have marched on stage and smacked Evil Hat across the face.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: SHARK on August 07, 2022, 03:19:58 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.

Greetings!

*Laughing* Yes, EN World is absolutely full of Libtards. Anything "The ENNIES" does is simply a down-stream product of that reality.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Zelen on August 07, 2022, 05:38:37 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Jason Coplen on August 07, 2022, 06:08:36 PM
Shit like this is why enworld is a sad place, and I won't touch their gaming stuff. Level up or whatever or their remake of d6 into a crappier and more complicated system.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: jeff37923 on August 07, 2022, 07:45:02 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.

I knew that Coyote and Crow should have bribed them more!
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: BronzeDragon on August 07, 2022, 08:13:10 PM
It's been interesting to watch the big RPG forums following the same trajectory over the years.

Back when D&D 3E was coming out, there were a bunch of forums active, but the big names were already RPG.net and ENWorld (Dragonsfoot, among others, being the torch bearer for grognards), while things like the SWRPG forum were HUGE repositories of knowledge about specific games.

At that time, both of the big forums were actually pretty open, and the only real limitation on language was Eric's Grandma's rule (no heavy cursing in order to not upset the hypothetical old woman). ENWorld became the leading forum for those that wanted 3E news and discussion, and RPG.net positioned itself as more or less the "anti-D20" boards. Nothing serious, just a slight holier-than-thou attitude towards those that enjoyed WotC's new system.

Then, over time, RPG.net started morphing into what became TBP. Censorship of language started happening, then certain views started being frowned upon, then bannings and now a full-on fucking dictatorship with ironclad rules banning even the mention of the existence of certain ideas/RPGs.

With ENWorld, there was a much slower progression, but things did start to tighten up. When Morrus took over for good he created Circvs Maximvs as a no-holds-barred alternative to ENWorld, for those that were starting to chafe under the new rules (mostly unwritten). That situation lasted for a long while, with people that felt uncomfortable at ENWorld migrating to CM, or cross-posting with softer language on the mother forums.

However, inexorably, change came, and ENWorld started resembling TBP more and more. CM eventually fell into disrepair (not even sure if it's still up) and ENWorld introduced more rules, written down this time around, and the mods started policing discussions in a far harsher way than before.

Nowadays, I think there's still a difference between the two of them, with TBP remaining a much worse place, with draconian rules and summary bannings that would make even some of ENWorld's mods blanch.

A sad story indeed.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 07, 2022, 08:35:24 PM
I've never played, seen or heard anyone play or see that game other than one of the ENNIES judges. Maybe it's good? I suspect though that it's more about the idea than the game itself.  I'll reserve judgement until I read some reviews from people who actually played it and don't talk about how important the theme is to them, or how important the authors are to them, but about the gameplay itself. It's a "Powered by the Apocalypse" game and I don't tend to like those mechanics.

That said there are LOTS of games in these ENNIES and some of them sound good:

I am interested in Colostle: A Solo RPG Adventure. I'd like to know if it's appropriate for middle school aged kids.

The Troubleshooters - The U-Boat Mystery sounds interesting. It's sort of a Tintin or Johnny Quest adventure in an alternate nineteen sixties thwarting the evil plans for world domination by the secret organization known as The Octopus. The system is Basic Roleplaying System.

Is anyone interested in anything else on this list, or are you too wigged out by the word "Lesbians" in a game name to comment on any of the other winners?
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: jeff37923 on August 07, 2022, 08:51:53 PM
I've never played, seen or heard anyone play or see that game other than one of the ENNIES judges. Maybe it's good? I suspect though that it's more about the idea than the game itself.  I'll reserve judgement until I read some reviews from people who actually played it and don't talk about how important the theme is to them, or how important the authors are to them, but about the gameplay itself. It's a "Powered by the Apocalypse" game and I don't tend to like those mechanics.

That said there are LOTS of games in these ENNIES and some of them sound good. I am interested in Colostle: A Solo RPG Adventure.

Is anyone interested in anything else on this list, or are you too wigged out by the word "Lesbians" in a game name to comment on any of the other winners?

Fuck off, liar.

Your Gross Conceptual Error here is that you think both Coyote and Crow and Thirsty Sword Lesbians were meant to be actual games that people would play instead of just massive attempts at pandering to get people to blow money on the Kickstarters as a way of virtue signalling and thus lining their pockets of the creators.

You are so used to your own lies that you can't see a grift when it happens.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Rob Necronomicon on August 07, 2022, 09:05:10 PM
TSL!?? Lol







Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 07, 2022, 09:17:15 PM

Fuck off, liar.

Your Gross Conceptual Error here is that you think both Coyote and Crow

Wait wait wait. Stop right there. I've never said a word about that game which was positive in any way. Don't go saying "fuck off liar" and then immediately lie about me Jeff. That game isn't even on that ENNIES list we're talking about. You literally fabricated it being the topic, AND fabricated me saying something about it. And watch you shuck and jive and pretend somehow you slinking that game into this topic is somehow germane an how you can attribute an opinion I have not made to that game because...reasons? Dick move Jeff.

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and Thirsty Sword Lesbians were meant to be actual games that people would play instead of just massive attempts at pandering to get people to blow money on the Kickstarters as a way of virtue signalling and thus lining their pockets of the creators.

You JUST repeated what I said about it, in different tone (stronger and more aggressive), as if I said the opposite of what I said. What is it you think I meant by " I suspect though that it's more about the idea than the game itself?" We agree that is what it appears to be. Our only disagreement is my leaving room for someone to prove me wrong, and you asserting you couldn't conceive of being wrong. But you and I get the same vibe from this - it's probably just the idea and not the game that's supposed to be the selling point, and neither of us have heard of anyone, yah know, playing it as a game.

That still doesn't mean people can't comment on other stuff that just won ENNIES. There remain a ton of indie games in there, some worth talking about. Why is this game the only one worth commenting on in a thread dedicated to the ENNIES this year?
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Jason Coplen on August 07, 2022, 10:09:02 PM
Is anyone interested in anything else on this list, or are you too wigged out by the word "Lesbians" in a game name to comment on any of the other winners?

Dude, we love lesbians in 4K! We're not so fond of the man-hating ones, or the virtue signaling Evil Hat for thinking they were cool.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 07, 2022, 10:15:41 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Jason Coplen on August 07, 2022, 10:37:08 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.

Sounds great!
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 07, 2022, 10:39:41 PM
Is anyone interested in anything else on this list, or are you too wigged out by the word "Lesbians" in a game name to comment on any of the other winners?

Dude, we love lesbians in 4K! We're not so fond of the man-hating ones, or the virtue signaling Evil Hat for thinking they were cool.

OK but are you interested in anything else on this list?
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: SHARK on August 07, 2022, 11:33:18 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.

Greetings!

Fucking awesome, GeekyBugle! I love it! MAGAA!!!!!

Fucking ULTRA MAGA!!! Just watch the Libtards REEE when the GOD EMPEROR gets re-elected!!!!

As for the "ENNIES"? Fuck the ENNIES. I don't give a fuck about what is on their list, who gets awarded, or who gets gang fucked in the ass on award night. Let them all fuck each other silly and get Monkey Pox! ;D The "ENNIES" are irrelevant in the big scheme of things.

After all the ass fucking, corruption, remember all the scandals about the ENNIES a few years back? Judges being corrupt. Getting their buddies in, or the people they "approve" of. Yeah. Pepperidge Farms remembers! ;D

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: jeff37923 on August 08, 2022, 06:26:10 AM
That still doesn't mean people can't comment on other stuff that just won ENNIES. There remain a ton of indie games in there, some worth talking about. Why is this game the only one worth commenting on in a thread dedicated to the ENNIES this year?

OK but are you interested in anything else on this list?

If you weren't being a liar about other "interesting" games on the list, then why aren't you already talking about them?
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: THE_Leopold on August 08, 2022, 12:49:13 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.

I've seen shit worse than that nominated. If it wins I'll know the ENNies are an even bigger joke.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Reckall on August 08, 2022, 01:04:00 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.

Maybe even not. If we avoid "My body my choice!" let's avoid "that other thing" too.

I would agree on "Freedom Awards" toh :D
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 08, 2022, 02:49:12 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.

Maybe even not. If we avoid "My body my choice!" let's avoid "that other thing" too.

I would agree on "Freedom Awards" toh :D

As if "Freedom Awards" wouldn't be taken the exact same way by the exact same crowd of twatterati.

But, I'm okay with that name, we totally should do it.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 08, 2022, 04:35:28 PM
If you weren't being a liar about other "interesting" games on the list, then why aren't you already talking about them?

This is the part you cut from my post where you called me a liar, remember?

I am interested in Colostle: A Solo RPG Adventure. I'd like to know if it's appropriate for middle school aged kids.

The Troubleshooters - The U-Boat Mystery sounds interesting. It's sort of a Tintin or Johnny Quest adventure in an alternate nineteen sixties thwarting the evil plans for world domination by the secret organization known as The Octopus. The system is Basic Roleplaying System.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 08, 2022, 04:38:58 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.

I've seen shit worse than that nominated. If it wins I'll know the ENNies are an even bigger joke.

He's quoting the winners. :)
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: THE_Leopold on August 08, 2022, 04:47:59 PM
Product of the Year: Thirsty Sword Lesbians
Best Game: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

FFS!

Rant over.


I've seen shit worse than that nominated. If it wins I'll know the ENNies are an even bigger joke.

He's quoting the winners. :)


oh god he is...these awards are pure shit now.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 08, 2022, 04:54:24 PM
Here is the list of winners:

Product of the Year
Silver: Call of Cthulhu Classic Prop Set
Gold: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

Best Game
Silver: Root: The RPG
Gold: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

Best Adventure
Silver: The Troubleshooters: The U-Boat Mystery
Gold: Uncaged Goddesses

Fan Favorite Publisher
Darrington Press

Best Writing
Silver: Fateforge Tetralogy Box Set 5E
Gold: Dune: Adventures in the Imperium

Best Supplement
Silver: Root the RPG: Travellers and Outsiders
Gold: Call of Cthulhu: Cults of Cthulhu

Best Rules
Silver: Haunted West
Gold: Colostle: A Solo RPG Adventure

Best Setting
Silver: Jiangshi: Blood in the Banquet Hall
Gold: Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting Reborn

Best Family Game
Silver: Questlings: RPG
Gold: Wanderhome

Best RPG Related Product
Silver: KULT: Labyrinths & Secret Chambers
Gold: Shadows of Esteren: Adeliane CD

Best Layout & Design
Silver: Achtung! Cthulhu 2d20: Gamemaster’s Guide
Gold: Delta Green: Impossible Landscapes

Best Free Product
Silver: Auld Sanguine: A Vampire: The Masquerade New Year’s Eve Story
Gold: 2021 Level 1 Anthology

Best Monster/Adversary
Silver: Home-Field Advantage: a Compendium of Lair Actions
Gold: Nightfell – Bestiary for 5e

Best Organized Play
Silver: Two Hearts Apart
Gold: I Find That Familiar

Best Art, Interior
Silver: Wanderhome
Gold: The One Ring Second Edition

Best Art, Cover
Silver: Uncaged: Goddesses
Gol: Wanderhome

Best Production Values
Silver: Bardsung Legends of the Ancient Forge
Gold: Call of Cthulhu Classic Prop Set

Best Aid/Accessory - Non-Digital
Silver: Fate Accessibility Toolkit
Gold: Call of Cthulhu Classic Prop Set

Best Aid/Accessory - Digital
Silver: Call of Cthulhu 3D Digital Gamer Props – Masks of Nyarlathotep,
Gold: MÖRK BORG Digital Monster Generator

Best Electronic Book
Silver: One Night Strahd
Gold: The Lazy DM's Companion

Best Podcast
Silver: Role To Cast
Gold: Ain't Slayed Nobody

Best Cartography
Silver: KULTS Labyrinths and Secret Chambers
Gold: Czepeky Maps Collection

Best Online Content
Silver: Sly Flourish Blog
Gold: RPGBOT.net
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: THE_Leopold on August 08, 2022, 05:06:05 PM
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Fan Favorite Publisher
Darrington Press

Critical Role couldn't help themselves

I'd love to see how many of the winners are on the "Red" list
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Reckall on August 08, 2022, 05:42:55 PM
Well, two of my votes made the list:

Best Supplement
Silver: Root the RPG: Travellers and Outsiders
Gold: Call of Cthulhu: Cults of Cthulhu

Best Layout & Design
Silver: Achtung! Cthulhu 2d20: Gamemaster’s Guide
Gold: Delta Green: Impossible Landscapes

No, I'm not fixated with Cthulhu but both these dudes were really well made. I can't agree with the rest of the winners.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Wrath of God on August 08, 2022, 06:56:12 PM
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Gold: Tal'Dorei Campaign Setting Reborn

No idea how bad TSL are, they are definitely more interesting that this most boring, most bland, most inefficiently virtue signalling mediocrity that is new Tal'Dorei.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Abraxus on August 08, 2022, 08:00:33 PM
I don’t even recognize 3/4 of the publishers on the list.

They really are a shit show lol
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 09, 2022, 03:29:34 PM

Best Game
Silver: Root: The RPG
Gold: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

So the two winners for Best Game are both PbtA games. Funny thing is, I always felt that PbtA games had a "boardgame" feel to them, so imagine my shock when I found out Root was originally a boardgame. So the runner-up for Best Game is a derivative licensed product that probably plays fairly similar to the original.

But why did it win?
It might have something to do with turning the Marquis de Cat (a playable faction in the original game) into the main villian of the rpg. The Cats are characterized by industry and expansion (it's how they win in the original game) so obviously they represent capitalism and colonialism, right? And of course the factions that win through thievery or manipulation are the "good guys."
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: HappyDaze on August 09, 2022, 03:36:54 PM

Best Game
Silver: Root: The RPG
Gold: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

So the two winners for Best Game are both PbtA games. Funny thing is, I always felt that PbtA games had a "boardgame" feel to them, so imagine my shock when I found out Root was originally a boardgame. So the runner-up for Best Game is a derivative licensed product that probably plays fairly similar to the original.

But why did it win?
It might have something to do with turning the Marquis de Cat (a playable faction in the original game) into the main villian of the rpg. The Cats are characterized by industry and expansion (it's how they win in the original game) so obviously they represent capitalism and colonialism, right? And of course the factions that win through thievery or manipulation are the "good guys."
Played the board game twice. I hated it. Every faction is essentially playing its own game. Cats are not necessarily capitalists. I think they were closer to communist. Now the Birds represent a monarchy, and they can be hell to play in the board game with their weird command card rules. Lizards were a cult. Beavers were traders and a source for mercenaries...effectively war profiteers.

So, in short, I think your theory is incorrect and you're trying to overthink it. More likely is it got points for being linked to a fairly popular board game among those players that overlap into RPGs.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 09, 2022, 03:55:00 PM
Played the board game twice. I hated it. Every faction is essentially playing its own game. Cats are not necessarily capitalists. I think they were closer to communist. Now the Birds represent a monarchy, and they can be hell to play in the board game with their weird command card rules. Lizards were a cult. Beavers were traders and a source for mercenaries...effectively war profiteers.

So, in short, I think your theory is incorrect and you're trying to overthink it. More likely is it got points for being linked to a fairly popular board game among those players that overlap into RPGs.

That's fair enough.
I was only speculating based on what I've read. I have not played the boardgame.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Eirikrautha on August 10, 2022, 12:22:35 AM

Best Game
Silver: Root: The RPG
Gold: Thirsty Sword Lesbians

So the two winners for Best Game are both PbtA games. Funny thing is, I always felt that PbtA games had a "boardgame" feel to them, so imagine my shock when I found out Root was originally a boardgame. So the runner-up for Best Game is a derivative licensed product that probably plays fairly similar to the original.

But why did it win?
It might have something to do with turning the Marquis de Cat (a playable faction in the original game) into the main villian of the rpg. The Cats are characterized by industry and expansion (it's how they win in the original game) so obviously they represent capitalism and colonialism, right? And of course the factions that win through thievery or manipulation are the "good guys."

Occam's Razor: The people voting at ENWorld are generally representative of the folks who post on their message boards, people who seem to talk about RPGs far more than they play them.  I've read some of the stupidest takes (back when I actually visited that site... It's been years, and I doubt things have improved any) there, which leads me to believe that the average poster there is posting hypotheticals about what they think RPGs are like, as opposed to opinions based in experience.  So, basically, they are picking RPGs as if they are mostly non-gamers... which they are...
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Skullking on August 10, 2022, 04:28:25 AM
I'm sure the posters at EN World think their voting is 'stunning and brave'.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: HappyDaze on August 10, 2022, 05:00:50 AM
I'm sure the posters at EN World think their voting is 'stunning and brave'.
Just like your criticism.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Skullking on August 10, 2022, 12:56:16 PM
I'm sure the posters at EN World think their voting is 'stunning and brave'.
Just like your criticism.
Ba Dum Tsss
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Valatar on August 10, 2022, 04:28:34 PM
I like the Root board game well enough, and I'm sure the setting could be viable for some interesting games.  But anything using PbtA automatically goes right into the trash for me, because it tells me that the designer couldn't be bothered to come up with decent mechanics for their setting and just schlocked in the world's laziest system.  If they had at least opted for an actual decent generic mechanics set like Savage Worlds, I'd give them a pass, but PbtA is short for zero-effort kickstarter garbage in my book, which is only borne out by bookshelf-warmers like Sword Lesbians using it.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 10, 2022, 06:33:08 PM

Occam's Razor: The people voting at ENWorld are generally representative of the folks who post on their message boards, people who seem to talk about RPGs far more than they play them.  I've read some of the stupidest takes (back when I actually visited that site... It's been years, and I doubt things have improved any) there, which leads me to believe that the average poster there is posting hypotheticals about what they think RPGs are like, as opposed to opinions based in experience.  So, basically, they are picking RPGs as if they are mostly non-gamers... which they are...

Pretty sure this is not a fan voting award. I think they have a panel of judges (maybe 5 of them) and they decide? I know one of the judges and I can attest he definitely games.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Krazz on August 15, 2022, 05:47:18 PM
I stopped visiting ENWorld because their politics became insufferable. I couldn't care less about what they do, although it'd be fun to do an RPGSite awards or something similar.

Agreed.

Masters
And
Gamers
Appreciation
Award.
MAGAA.

Perhaps we could have an inclusivity award for games that welcome those shunned by the mega-corps of RPG land. And a diversity award for games covering the sort of territory that Big RPG is afraid to cover.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 17, 2022, 12:05:55 PM
Guys, this is the ENNIES thread. There is zero purpose to a second thread on this same, literally identical topic.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Cathode Ray on August 18, 2022, 12:59:36 PM
I've seen the game.  The only reason it won was for its title and theme, not for its content or gameplay.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 19, 2022, 03:16:33 AM
I've seen the game.  The only reason it won was for its title and theme, not for its content or gameplay.

Well, it's PbtA. For some reason, SJWs gravitate toward that particular system.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: zircher on August 19, 2022, 12:52:43 PM
Well, it's PbtA. For some reason, SJWs gravitate toward that particular system.
It's easy to hack, people were given permissions to do so early on, and playbooks enforce specific behaviors.  Not a surprise really.

I've really enjoyed some PbtA games.  But then, there are also plenty of wretched ones in the mix.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Valatar on August 19, 2022, 03:15:48 PM
Well, it's PbtA. For some reason, SJWs gravitate toward that particular system.

Because it's free so they don't have to pay anyone to know anything about dice or math and can focus on crapping out a kickstarter about superheroes who force hormone pills into children and set the local CVS on fire.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 19, 2022, 03:28:41 PM
Well, it's PbtA. For some reason, SJWs gravitate toward that particular system.
It's easy to hack, people were given permissions to do so early on, and playbooks enforce specific behaviors.  Not a surprise really.

I've really enjoyed some PbtA games.  But then, there are also plenty of wretched ones in the mix.

Yeah, I'm currently in a Blades in the Dark game. Putting aside EvilHat's politics, I dig the tone and atmosphere of the setting (and the entire book is on Anyflip, so no one needs to pay a cent for it). The only issue is the GM doesn't really know how to run the game, so parts of it are a slog.

Because it's free so they don't have to pay anyone to know anything about dice or math and can focus on crapping out a kickstarter about superheroes who force hormone pills into children and set the local CVS on fire.

Is that Masks?
I heard that game is hot garbage, but I never looked into it myself.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: zircher on August 19, 2022, 05:22:06 PM
Masks certainly sits at the intersection of Cool and Cringe.  Some parts of it are very good, but stuff like the damage system is... well... a dysfunctional human simulator.  Another big problem are the players, the rules specifically state that you can change things, but it's REEEE all the way down if you try to fix anything.  The community has some serious issues.  [I know this from the horror stories of a friend of mine that tried.]
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Valatar on August 19, 2022, 09:51:09 PM
I'm mildly disturbed although not too surprised that the satirical worst-case RPG I completely pulled out of my ass bears some apparent similarity to an actual product.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Effete on August 19, 2022, 11:16:53 PM
I'm mildly disturbed although not too surprised that the satirical worst-case RPG I completely pulled out of my ass bears some apparent similarity to an actual product.

Is there a Poe's Law for ttrpgs?
Think of the most regressive, poorly designed, dumpster fire of a game, and some danger-hairs and soyboys are playing it right now in grandma's basement.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Brooding Paladin on August 20, 2022, 05:24:53 PM
Well, here's how I figure it's nothing more than virtue signaling:  where else was TSL regarded as awesome?  Did it place, say, for editing?  Art?  Rule system?  Writing?  Setting?

Nah, none of that.  It's just awesome because it's awesome.  Mmmkay...
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 21, 2022, 11:32:16 PM
My take is the ENnies are irrelevant. Just like most industry "awards" anymore.

There might have been a time when awards awarded excellence, but those days are long past.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 21, 2022, 11:53:04 PM
Again, some solid games were nominated this year, and some solid games won this year. Y'all can firmly dislike one or two winners without declaring the entire ENNIES as evil and lost and woke or whatever.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: rgalex on August 22, 2022, 07:37:38 AM
Again, some solid games were nominated this year, and some solid games won this year. Y'all can firmly dislike one or two winners without declaring the entire ENNIES as evil and lost and woke or whatever.

You're right, but when was the last time you heard someone say "Shit man, that's the game that won the Ennie for Best Cartography!  Let's buy that one and play it next session"?

Some awards just have more social clout than others.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Thorn Drumheller on August 22, 2022, 08:29:37 AM
Again, some solid games were nominated this year, and some solid games won this year. Y'all can firmly dislike one or two winners without declaring the entire ENNIES as evil and lost and woke or whatever.

Fair enough. Let's just say I've lost faith in the process anymore. I doubt the motives behind awards from the "Oscars" to book awards. We've seen too many instances of bad actors over the last decade.

So once that trust is lost from a consumer, in this case me, I really just ignore them. I usually search for youtube reviews, blog reviews on games etc.

And really, we could go into depth about what it means to win game of the year. But for TSL to win, the first impression I got was it's just virtue signalling. That impression could be right or wrong. But when the name of the game is loaded with modern politically charged terms.......well there you have it.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Visitor Q on August 22, 2022, 09:11:40 AM
Again, some solid games were nominated this year, and some solid games won this year. Y'all can firmly dislike one or two winners without declaring the entire ENNIES as evil and lost and woke or whatever.

To be honest I've been roleplaying for pushing 30 years now, I've always taken an interest in what's going on online and I only even heard about the Enniea this year. It's a pretty niche part of a niche hobby.

The flip side of that is it's also a bit pointless people complaining about it.

Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Banjo Destructo on August 22, 2022, 09:26:48 AM
I have no problem with the ennies, we just need to start our own rpg award thing.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Mistwell on August 22, 2022, 06:32:50 PM
I have no problem with the ennies, we just need to start our own rpg award thing.

The Pundies?
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: deadDMwalking on August 24, 2022, 02:09:35 PM
Again, some solid games were nominated this year, and some solid games won this year. Y'all can firmly dislike one or two winners without declaring the entire ENNIES as evil and lost and woke or whatever.

It appears that you are mistaken.  Or at least, it appears that most people here are not capable of doing that.

It looks like most of the nominees and I think all of the winners do have review(s) online, but not an official Ennies review.  If such a thing does exist (and it's quite possible I just don't know how to find it), I'd be curious to see it. 

If a title that sounds a little strange won, I'm at least curious to know what set it apart from the competition.  I don't want to make the mistake of judging a book solely by the cover. 
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 24, 2022, 02:23:38 PM
I have no problem with the ennies, we just need to start our own rpg award thing.

Think we could convince pundit of creating a sub-forum for that?

We propose the games, we vote on them.

But maybe we could get a wider voter base if the voting was elsewhere.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: HappyDaze on August 24, 2022, 02:31:29 PM
I have no problem with the ennies, we just need to start our own rpg award thing.

Think we could convince pundit of creating a sub-forum for that?

We propose the games, we vote on them.

But maybe we could get a wider voter base if the voting was elsewhere.
Careful what you ask for. If you do get that wider base to vote, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the tastes so commonly seen on this site are less popular than many here think they are...and then there will be calls for a second iteration (then a third, and then...) "our own" awards that better reflect the echos commonly heard here.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: GeekyBugle on August 24, 2022, 02:47:47 PM
I have no problem with the ennies, we just need to start our own rpg award thing.

Think we could convince pundit of creating a sub-forum for that?

We propose the games, we vote on them.

But maybe we could get a wider voter base if the voting was elsewhere.
Careful what you ask for. If you do get that wider base to vote, I wouldn't be surprised to find that the tastes so commonly seen on this site are less popular than many here think they are...and then there will be calls for a second iteration (then a third, and then...) "our own" awards that better reflect the echos commonly heard here.

You're operating under the assumption I want to keep out those voices. I don't, but chances are they will self segregate since it's an award that's contaminated by icky cooties from us.

Anyhow I only said the voting should be from a wider audience, not the nomination. Do you think the ennies would EVER ask us plebs what games should be nominated? No, they have their purity tests baked into it.

I like more the Dragon Awards for that reason.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Valatar on August 24, 2022, 06:32:26 PM
The real entertainment would come from how quickly publishers fall over themselves to reject or ignore any awards coming from this site, lest they become tainted by association with the wrong sort of customer.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Skullking on August 25, 2022, 02:31:04 PM
The real entertainment would come from how quickly publishers fall over themselves to reject or ignore any awards coming from this site, lest they become tainted by association with the wrong sort of customer.

That makes me want to nominate Coyote & Crow or Thirsty Sword Lesbians.
Title: Re: ENnies
Post by: Katowice on August 25, 2022, 11:55:50 PM
As a big Free League fanboy I am royally disappointed that they didn't get more nominations and wins in a year full of outstanding releases like the One Ring and Twilight 2000; but then again I guess they’re a company actually making games people want to play.   ::)