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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #180 on: January 20, 2021, 04:53:40 PM »
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That is literally his online persona. It's his bread and butter. He takes a mostly innocuous comment, and blows it up into a major issue as if it's an attack on all that is good and decent in the RPG world and tells you to fight them as if your RPG life depended on it. And then goes on to the next topic the following week making similar claims. This is what he does. It's what he's been doing since The Forge.

Well there is sort of trend among anti-SJW content creators - like I think Quartering is good example in gaming/movie world, to take some random shit from SJW no-names from Twitter and present it in scandalous form as next stage of ultra epic battle or smth. Which is bit disenheartening you expect some big battle waging and it's like minor quarrel between neomaoist tankie and pink-haired agender woman with on/ona pronouns one page 234 of Twitter

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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #181 on: January 20, 2021, 06:24:06 PM »
#metoo but, if you've been watching the updates, you know I already did my bit and it's in layout. So I know little more than you.

I have been rebuilding my Classic Games Collection. Since Christmas I have purchased Cross of Iron, and Crescendo of Doom, as well as Imperium, Dark Nebula, Mayday, Caesar:Alesia, and the Melee microgame. Just need Advanced Melee and Wizard now. Thinking about rebuilding my Europa collection, need to wait for the tax return though becuase Drang Nach Osten, and Unentschieden are pretty pricey.


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« Reply #182 on: January 20, 2021, 09:32:10 PM »
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That is literally his online persona. It's his bread and butter. He takes a mostly innocuous comment, and blows it up into a major issue as if it's an attack on all that is good and decent in the RPG world and tells you to fight them as if your RPG life depended on it. And then goes on to the next topic the following week making similar claims. This is what he does. It's what he's been doing since The Forge.

Well there is sort of trend among anti-SJW content creators - like I think Quartering is good example in gaming/movie world, to take some random shit from SJW no-names from Twitter and present it in scandalous form as next stage of ultra epic battle or smth. Which is bit disenheartening you expect some big battle waging and it's like minor quarrel between neomaoist tankie and pink-haired agender woman with on/ona pronouns one page 234 of Twitter

Most of the stuff I quote is not "random shit from no-names". Its stuff being said by people in control of the most powerful company in the industry, or major names in the new entryism into the hobby, or people who are about to be hired by WoTC for the stupid shit they said.
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« Reply #183 on: January 21, 2021, 12:18:43 AM »

Did we just become best friends?
I'm pretty certain I spent more time with HOI2 than I did my ex-wife.

Well, that looks interesting. The Europa I'm referring to is the Europa that a series of board wargames planned to cover combat over the entire European Theater of World War II at a scale that represents units from divisions down to battalions and game turns that represent two weeks of time. The series was launched in 1973, and is still in production, with over a twenty-two titles published and several more still in production, or planning. Most of these titles qualify as "monster games", a subgenre of wargames featuring extensive orders of battle, a complex ruleset and an unusually large game-map area with a detailed representation of the terrains they cover.

This was originally designed by Rich Banner and Frank Chadwick. They were brilliant, I think Rich was the original designer, and the lead graphics designer. The game was extremely easy to play, and the turns fast, once you get to know the rules, however the scope the entire war in Europe and North Africa, on maps that were made of hexes 16 miles across, made this a monster game. Drang Nach Osten alone, came with five 21"x27" hex maps with eight sheets numbering 1,792 counters. There were at least twenty-two games published as part of the series including:
 
Drang Nach Osten (Spread to the East) The German invasion of Russia from 1941-1942. Later republished as Fire in the East
Unentschieden (The Draw) WWII German invasion of Russia 1943-45. Later Republished as The East is Red.
Götterdämmerung - (Twilight of the Gods) An expansion to play in Eastern Europe through and beyond 1945...
Marita-Merkur - The German invasion of Greece and the Balkan States in 1940
Their Finest Hour - German planned invasion of Britain (including the air war) 1940
Narvik - German invasion of Norway 1940
Western Desert - North Africa Campaign simulates the campaigns in Egypt and Libya from December 1940 until January 1943, as well as the peripheral operations on Malta and Cyprus, and in Syria and Lebanon.
Case White - A three Player game, The combined German and Russian invasion of Poland 1939
The Fall of France - May 1940 Campaign in France
The Near East -  Three maps cover Asiatic Turkey, Syria, Iraq, and Western Iran.
For Whom the Bell Tolls - Battles for Spain and Portugal
Torch - From November 1942 and the subsequent land campaign for control of Africa through May 1943.
The Second Front - depicts the Western Allied campaigns in Italy, France, and Germany from 1943 to 1945.
The Urals - A hypothetical  Expansion for DNO/Unentschieden for if the German player just keeps blitzing East into Asia
A Winter War - A Winter War is a detailed simulation of the Soviet invasion of Finland during the winter of 1939-40.

Most of this was published before computer games was even a thing, and I have never actually seen the entire fifteen games all setup simultaneously. With well over ten thousands counters, maybe double that and more than forty 21"x27" map sheets this remains the largest war game ever published.  You have to be a sado-masochist to even play this game. Ummm... Just playing the first two, it would take us three days just to setup Drang Nach Osten, and we'd play at least four hours a day (and more on the weekends) for two weeks, and that was just to play the first game.   So yes, I played HOI2, and liked it, ...before the age of computers.


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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #184 on: February 14, 2021, 10:05:13 AM »
Oh hi Zak, remember when I responded to your blog post on detoxing communities with this...

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So Anna Kreider ends her blog by adopting a harmful stereotype and literally crying for sympathy, and the Fred vs. Cam link demonstrates those people will simply endorse anything said by those they like with no consideration for what's actually said. No wonder lists like #Games4Her and #Orangelist are a thing.

This 'community' shit has gotten way too complex for me. All I know are two things:

Guilt by association is destroying every community I thought I was a part of. I still can't get over how Avery Alder was abandoned by so called 'allies' who would rather punish Mark Diaz Truman and determine where it's acceptable for transwomen to seek support, over less than a page of work which neither furthers nor endorses the harm they claim he caused. Yet they still use KickStarter, which benefits Mark more. So much for ethical consistency.

And (Endorsing) Libel is no more Harassment than Sexual Harassment is Rape, or Disagreement a Mortal Threat, and I've never seen these equivalences used for any other purpose than to distort the truth. The problem isn't how the specific words are defined either, but in treating the concepts as identical. You spend a lot of words defining 'harassment' in order to call what you face harassment, and I'm not sure why you feel the need to overplay your hand like this when the people you're dealing with are being so obviously awful.

So just to be clear, do you consider false statements regarding your character posted publicly to be harassment?

...and how you responded to my post (after deleting it) with this...

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First: Saying you can't follow just means you should ask.

Second: You, assuming you are the "Anon Adderlan" that appears elsewhere you endorsed Fred Hicks' share of the smear article which said Zak Smith--the guy who plays D&D every week with a group that's basically only bi trans and gay women and WOC is trying to keep everyone who isn't a cishet white man out of gaming.

The article and the reasons it's an obvious smear are described here: http://dndwithpornstars.blogspot.com/2014/08/how-dungeons-and-dragons-is-totally-not.html

You endorsing it is here: http://plus.google.com/u/0/+FredHicks/posts/SJHZ8Jc5SoW

..which seems out of character for you (assuming it's the same anon adderlan) so I'm all ears if you have some excuse and are going to remove your endorsement.

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You need to address these points and not lie in the comments (I erased your comment as it contained false assertions-you are not watching an attempt to distort the truth) in order to be able to be having a conversation here.

And again: if you would like to redefine "harassment" to include only the kinds of harassment you consider serious then you need to state clearly what you think that definition is.

Calling both two different things both "harassment" is no more an attempt to make them equivalent than calling both murder and vandalism "crime".

As for your question: which specific statements regarding my "character" are you referring to---quote them?

...anyway, since you're already here I figure I'd take the opportunity to address this off my bucket list.

First: Asking wouldn't help me 'follow' because these community standards are capricious, arbitrary, and impossible to intentionally follow. They're designed exclusively to give those responsible for enforcement power.

Second: Seems out of character for you to delete evidence too. As for what I was endorsing, using quotes from Fred himself:

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"no matter how monstrous people appear on the Internet, there are still humans sitting there behind that wall of pixels."

Good to remember.

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"in matters involving folks' upsettedness over D&D, there is so much anger raised on all sides that if anyone tries to take a moderate position on any part of it out loud (instead of silently), they're deemed the enemy."

Completely true.

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"I've said it before (*despite this article claiming to the contrary*), and I'll say it again (even if it's thrown back at me as it has been previously): I am very, very sorry"

So he apologized, admitted he was wrong, and shared the article specifically to point out its inaccuracy.

But people like you only seem able to treat others as absolutes which is exactly the problem. It's impossible to have rational discourse if you can't endorse something someone says without endorsing everything they say. That's why this election was so divisive. That's why all these 'communities' are falling apart. And as long as you treat people like this you're part of the problem too.

As for you.

You accused me of lying. Please point out exactly what was a lie and why.

If I'm not watching an attempt to distort the truth then prove it instead of further distorting the truth by deleting my comment.

I never attempted to redefine harassment. However you did, which is the whole point of my question.

I never attempted to equivocate between different kinds of harassment.

And the question has nothing to do with specific statements about your character. That's immaterial, which means you're either too stupid to realize that or acting in bad faith, I'll let you pick which. But since you can't seem to see past that, I'll rephrase the question: Do you consider false statements regarding anyone's character posted publicly to be harassment?

Glad we finally found a suitable public forum to address this little misunderstanding. Would've emailed you, but then there wouldn't be a publicly visible trail of evidence. And I would've #Tweeted, but apparently you have me blocked for liking your #Tweets. Guess endorsement is harassment too.

My bet however is you'll find another excuse not to.

Literally no RPG author I am aware of--certainly not you or I--experienced censorship. I experienced people lying.

If you define "censorship" as a private platform being unwilling to publish your stuff, then:  My cousin has written a book of poems about horses. Print and distribute her book, Pundit, or else you are a censor.

Not taking action to publish is different than taking action to unpublish. You know, like with #DemonCity.

If you use "sjw" unironically I super don't want your help.

Doesn't matter how much you say this they still won't sleep with you.

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« Reply #185 on: February 14, 2021, 10:25:20 AM »
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First: Asking wouldn't help me 'follow' because these community standards are capricious, arbitrary, and impossible to intentionally follow.

Only if you're talking to a bad actor. The standards of the person you were talking to (me) were and are none of those things.

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Seems out of character for you to delete evidence too.

A record of all your comments on my blog is in my email (available on request) but I always delete misinformation from the public comments because misinformation is bad.

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(Endorsing) _Libel_ is no more Harassment than Sexual Harassment is Rape

Here's the first screechingly loud piece of misinformation you posted: Encouraging someone to post misinformation in order to harm an innocent person is 100% a form of harassment. It's enouraging someone to break the law to harm an innocent. If that's not harassment, nothing is.

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So he apologized, admitted he was wrong, and shared the article specifically to point out its inaccuracy.

Fred Hicks did not do that. He did not apologize, he didn't claim to be sharing the article "specifically to point out its inaccuracy".

If Fred Hicks had apologized to me (or even addressed me directly) it would've been a completely unprecedented red-letter day in RPGland and everyone I knew in games would've sat slack-jawed in amazement.

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Do you consider false statements regarding anyone's character posted publicly to be harassment?

Only if both of these conditions are satisfied:
-The statement is negative,
-The person making the comment didn't do their due dilligence to check if it was true

Step one of any due dilligence is attempt to contact the person you're criticizing.
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More misinformation from you, from a hatepost you made I think on Reddit:

" refused to answer my questions, any one of which goes against his proclaimed principles."

I never did that: my proclaiemd principles are I follow the rules if you do. If you do something bad-faith like lead with a firs-tstrike personal attack or post misinformation and don't apologize or address it when it's pointed out, then you don't have the right to have your questions answered any more. You give up your right to be treated fairly. Without that detail a bad-faith actor can easily exploit the rules.

"Finally he impersonated someone, or had a friend which did so"

I never did that.

"lied about what I said"

I never did that.

"threw his co-author for Maze of the Blue Medusa under the bus"

This, strictly speaking, is just misleading: it implies I attacked Patrick first, which is not true and easy to google.


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If you're saying:
-the misinformation you posted was a mistake and not a lie and
-I said it was a lie
...then I apologize: you posted misinformation that you didn't bother to check--which is exactly as bad as lying. So it's a difference in kind but not severity.

At any rate: until you apologize for trying to put misinformation on the internet, your other comments don't matter because you're not a good faith actor.



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« Reply #186 on: February 14, 2021, 11:41:56 AM »
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« Reply #187 on: February 14, 2021, 05:18:19 PM »
Marilyn Manson, who is an actual celebrity has been cancelled for sexual misconduct so Zak who has played D&D with him and wrote about on his blog, should feel the luckiest adult male of the Homo sapiens species alive. That was I would feel in the same situation but I am French and a total nobody. Life is good !
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« Reply #188 on: February 14, 2021, 06:10:00 PM »
Marilyn Manson, who is an actual celebrity has been cancelled for sexual misconduct so Zak who has played D&D with him and wrote about on his blog, should feel the luckiest adult male of the Homo sapiens species alive.

I did not play D&D with Marilyn Manson. I attended a wedding a few years ago and, at the wedding, we talked about his D&D history and I wrote about it on my blog because I thought it would be funny. We aren't friends or anything.

This is a pretty good example of how you (and people like you) don't read carefully and then say accusatory-sounding things based on not having read carefully, thus causing problems.

I wouldn't be much of a D&D blogger if I talked to a rock star about playing D&D and didn't even tell readers what class he played. But, more interestingly: Kerry King was very shy, and Dee Snider was very kind.
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« Reply #189 on: February 14, 2021, 09:57:04 PM »
Could you be kind enough to provide a direct link to this blog post of yours where you discribed your interactions with Marilyn Manson here, in order to improve my English reading skill, please Zachary Smith ?

Nevermind : it is the blog is Monday July 28 2014. I cannot link since I am on mobile but there it is.
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« Reply #190 on: February 15, 2021, 03:43:30 AM »
Leftists: "Harassment is bad, just because jim is a bearded he-bitch in makeup and girly jeans doesn't mean he should be harassed, you people giving him looks every time you pass him in the hall are harassing him and it's NOT ok."

Also Leftists: "Slip, freedom of speech is not freedom from consequences (those consequences being harassment which in this case is A-ok!) so when you took that sharpie and wrote "I heart hitler now get your whore ass back in the kitchen" on your shirt, you were out of line...no the looks you got for doing so were not harassment."

Leftists man, not even once.
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« Reply #191 on: March 14, 2021, 08:26:26 AM »
Could you be kind enough to provide a direct link to this blog post of yours where you discribed your interactions with Marilyn Manson here, in order to improve my English reading skill, please Zachary Smith ?

Nevermind : it is the blog is Monday July 28 2014. I cannot link since I am on mobile but there it is.

I can fucking swear to Ein Soph that I have read Z gloating about playing D&D with Marylin Manson, with the latter using the 3D6 rolled in order to generate à D&D. I do not a fucking clue where it is in the effing internet but The Eternal and His Son being my witnesses, I know that I read this shit written by the silly coward who loves to fuck with everybody’s minds because it is quite funny to this wretched soul. I do enjoy your misery your suffering and I am waiting for a reckoning and your doom. And DO NOT USE THE JEW CARD with myself since some of my forefathers and foremothers had risk their very existence to save some Jew children in Vichy France. You are an insult to true suffering and pain and should start to FUCKING BEHAVE LIKE AN RESPECTABLE AND SENSITIVE ADULT HUMAN !!!
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« Reply #192 on: March 14, 2021, 08:48:32 AM »
…And DO NOT USE THE JEW with myself…
What on earth does this even mean? This thread lies dormant for about a month, and you pop back in spouting some kind of word salad about Jews? Are you having some kind of mental health episode? I’m not entirely joking asking you that. You might try to seek some counseling.

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« Reply #193 on: March 14, 2021, 10:26:21 AM »
Scratch this. Blog link wasn't correct.
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« Reply #194 on: March 14, 2021, 10:28:51 AM »
Who cares... Marilyn Manson is a shitebag.
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