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Re: Enjoy.
« Reply #120 on: January 13, 2021, 09:22:46 AM »
#metoo but, if you've been watching the updates, you know I already did my bit and it's in layout. So I know little more than you.

Well, that inspires confidence...

I can't say I'll be the first inline for your next kickstarter.





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« Reply #121 on: January 13, 2021, 09:27:54 AM »
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Well, that inspires confidence...

I can't say I'll be the first inline for your next kickstarter.

Oh well, I was not running or funding this kickstarter, so I have little influence. But there likely won't be another kickstarter ever again.

If I''m ever in a position to do a physical book again, crowdfunding will either be totally impossible or totally unnecessary.
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« Reply #122 on: January 13, 2021, 09:34:25 AM »
Lying isn't protected speech.

Yes it is. It's right there within the 1st amendment. Anyone can lie about you and nothing will be done to them, unless you can prove damages in a court of law, which is extremely difficult and requires you to provide evidence that their lies could be used to specifically identify you and that you also suffered measurable damage (i.e. lost money and/or were physically attacked, etc. as a result). And if you're attacked or lost money because someone lied about a group you may have been affiliated with, but they didn't identify you specifically, you get nothing.

Not saying it's right or wrong. Just saying that lying is literally protected speech.

PS: Also, yes, getting someone banned off a "PrIvAtE pLaTfOrM" is censorship. "But...it's PrIvAtE pLaTfOrM" does not make it not censorship. It just means that people like to suck the dicks of corporations like fucking retards.

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« Reply #123 on: January 13, 2021, 09:38:09 AM »
Lying isn't protected speech.

Yes it is. It's right there within the 1st amendment. Anyone can lie about you and nothing will be done to them, unless you can prove damages in a court of law,

Oh, that's not true at all. That's not even consistently true within the US.
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« Reply #124 on: January 13, 2021, 09:48:19 AM »
"Maxim 29:  The enemy of my enemy is my enemy's enemy. No more. No less."

Not going to buy a thing.

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« Reply #125 on: January 13, 2021, 10:14:24 AM »


100% serious: your OSR stuff is much more usable and interesting. Zak's crap is just art projects published under the guise of roleplaying supplements and the only reason people like them is because of the aesthetic, not the content.

Well, thank you, I appreciate that!
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« Reply #126 on: January 13, 2021, 10:16:19 AM »
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Well, that inspires confidence...

I can't say I'll be the first inline for your next kickstarter.

Oh well, I was not running or funding this kickstarter, so I have little influence. But there likely won't be another kickstarter ever again.


And here's why I've never done a Kickstarter and am unlikely to ever do one.
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« Reply #127 on: January 13, 2021, 10:35:44 AM »
And here's why I've never done a Kickstarter and am unlikely to ever do one.

In all fairness Pundit... If you did a KS I very much doubt it would end up like Zak's. Which had an estimated delivery date of June 2019 (if I remember correctly).

I don't think anyone really minds 'flexible deadlines' when it comes to RPG KS. It's only when they start going way off target people start to get pissed off. The second edition of Kult was another example of this. Grrrr.....

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« Reply #128 on: January 13, 2021, 10:39:23 AM »
And here's why I've never done a Kickstarter and am unlikely to ever do one.

In all fairness Pundit... If you did a KS I very much doubt it would end up like Zak's. Which had an estimated delivery date of June 2019 (if I remember correctly).

I don't think anyone really minds 'flexible deadlines' when it comes to RPG KS. It's only when they start going way off target people start to get pissed off. The second edition of Kult was another example of this. Grrrr.....
I wonder how Zak feels to find himself in the same 'late' boat as Alex de Campi.

You know, between all the bullshit of last year, I don't think anyone would begrudge things running late. I'm STILL waiting for the System Shock remake, myself. But y'know... there's comes a point where you gotta put up or shut up.

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« Reply #129 on: January 13, 2021, 10:42:44 AM »
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I wonder how Zak feels to find

See this is the point of actual free speech: you don't have to wonder. You can ask the person.

I don't know who Alex is, but Demon City is the least of my worries. If it were up to me it'd be out, but I'm not running the kickstarter and I know it'll come out and I know the work is good.

This is how it always works on basically every project--Maze of the Blue Medusa, Red & Pleasant Land: I turn over the stuff on time, graphic design takes forever.
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« Reply #130 on: January 13, 2021, 10:53:34 AM »
Lying isn't protected speech.

Yes it is. It's right there within the 1st amendment. Anyone can lie about you and nothing will be done to them, unless you can prove damages in a court of law,

Oh, that's not true at all. That's not even consistently true within the US.
Not only is it true, it's red-letter law.  And it was enshrined into law (because the folks who did so were apparently wiser than today's bunch) because "lying" is a fundamentally subjective standard.  Anyone who has read a "fact check" done in the media knows that "lie" can mean anything from "doesn't interpret the facts the way that I do" to "fails to mention this other point."  That's why "lying" is a stupid and irrelevant charge.  What is important is whether or not what someone says is factual (and this is the reason why a factual statement cannot be legally defamatory, once again by red-letter law).  So if you want to tell me what someone said is not factual, I'll listen.  But your whole "Brad isn't able to provide statements to my standard and is therefore lying" mental masturbation earlier in the thread is the textbook example why no one with your mentality should ever be in a position of authority (or listened to by anyone in a position of authority), ever.   

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« Reply #131 on: January 13, 2021, 10:56:18 AM »
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Not only is it true, it's red-letter law.

Nope. The goal posts (read up) are at "it's legal to lie unless you can prove damages". That's not true at all.

You can google, I'm sure.
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« Reply #132 on: January 13, 2021, 11:01:20 AM »
At some point people will realize that the buildings on both sides of the street are on fire and the fire fighters are pumping kerosene onto the structures.  Then the brass dog machines will run down the moderates and take their books from their cold dead hands.  There are no winners in the culture wars.
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« Reply #133 on: January 13, 2021, 11:02:25 AM »
Name such a person and provide receipts for this claim, Bradley.

So, great example:

Since:

-lying isn't protected speech, and

-Bradley was asked for proof point-blank and didn't provide it, and

-burden of proof is on the person introducing the claim

...you could go "Ok, Bradley is a liar, and is banned" and erase Bradley's comments and that would not be censorship.


You're an absolute faggot. Thanks for proving why no one should entertain you or even respond to you in any form. The level of stupidity in your followup is only overshadowed by the complete lack of self-awareness. It'd be amusing if it wasn't so annoying.
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« Reply #134 on: January 13, 2021, 11:05:59 AM »
Well, thank you, I appreciate that!

You ever going to release a second volume of the Old School Companion? I remember you mentioning it in the past, been on the look out.