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« Reply #30 on: April 09, 2020, 07:27:11 PM »
So, while I suspect many here can't actually access Tangency as banned users can't log in, there is some discussion on Tangency including a statement from a moderator that they are trying to put together a statement.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76

I'd be really surprised if they aren't at risk of being considered complicit and as open to litigation as Ettin.  I guess it might depend on individual statements made by specific mods, particularly in the linked thread.
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« Reply #31 on: April 09, 2020, 08:12:27 PM »
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Ettin is one of their mods.


I don't believe he or she is currently a mod.

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« Reply #32 on: April 09, 2020, 08:15:19 PM »
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So, while I suspect many here can't actually access Tangency as banned users can't log in, there is some discussion on Tangency including a statement from a moderator that they are trying to put together a statement.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76

I'd be really surprised if they aren't at risk of being considered complicit and as open to litigation as Ettin.  I guess it might depend on individual statements made by specific mods, particularly in the linked thread.
I know nothing of the whole affair but if Ettin is not a lawyer the ability for someone with either the legal skills or money to win against someone without the above is pretty trivial.  OJ gave the world a lesson on that.

I believe a fair number of the mods there are lawyers so it might be a more challenging litigation.

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« Reply #33 on: April 09, 2020, 08:26:19 PM »
I'm just saying they probably want a lawyer to give a good read through to the decision against Ettin before they write their statement.
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« Reply #34 on: April 09, 2020, 10:31:46 PM »
Reddit deleted the post and comments so fast that they can't even be viewed on removeddit. Scummy of them.

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« Reply #35 on: April 09, 2020, 11:49:17 PM »
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Reddit deleted the post and comments so fast that they can't even be viewed on removeddit. Scummy of them.

Reddit is full of cowards and shills.  If it goes against their moral busybody groupthink, down the memory hole it goes.  "Scummy" doesn't even touch the surface of how low Reddit is.
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« Reply #36 on: April 09, 2020, 11:50:33 PM »
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I don't believe he or she is currently a mod.

It's a him.  But anyway, that's news to me.  I know he was for a while.  I obviously don't follow him around, and literally this is the first time I've wasted CPU cycles on him in a few years.
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« Reply #37 on: April 09, 2020, 11:51:11 PM »
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So, while I suspect many here can't actually access Tangency as banned users can't log in, there is some discussion on Tangency including a statement from a moderator that they are trying to put together a statement.

https://forum.rpg.net/index.php?threads/mandy-morbid-and-two-others-accuse-zak-smith-of-abuse-harrassment-sexual-assault-warning-very-very-dark-read-redtext-in-posts-86-418.841424/page-76

I'd be really surprised if they aren't at risk of being considered complicit and as open to litigation as Ettin.  I guess it might depend on individual statements made by specific mods, particularly in the linked thread.

Screencap it, post it here.
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« Reply #38 on: April 10, 2020, 12:14:01 AM »
The thing is, I've not the first clue whether the shitty marriage accusations are true.  I wouldn't know this guy from Adam, for all I know I've walked past him on the street.  But because I am a functioning adult, I don't repeat other peoples' accusations as fact on public spaces.  It's really not that hard, but a lot of people lately seem incapable of it, and aren't concerned about whatever impact it may have on the person being spoken of.  For that reason alone I support legal reminders for people that drive-by cancellings aren't a victimless crime.

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« Reply #39 on: April 10, 2020, 04:46:50 AM »
Ettin has a gofundme now and lots of posters with names are giving ZakS more targets.

You would think that after seeing ZakS win a lawsuit against a clown who made unsubstantiated claims against him, they would avoid making...unsubstantiated claims against him.

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« Reply #40 on: April 10, 2020, 06:31:45 AM »
Was part of the suit that Paul Matijevic had to post the apology on specific sites? And if those sites remove the apology, is Ettin then in default?

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« Reply #41 on: April 10, 2020, 09:32:35 AM »
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Was part of the suit that Paul Matijevic had to post the apology on specific sites? And if those sites remove the apology, is Ettin then in default?


I think it might become a problem because how can Ettin prove that he posted the apology if the sites put the apology down the good old memory hole?

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« Reply #42 on: April 10, 2020, 09:59:44 AM »
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I think it might become a problem because how can Ettin prove that he posted the apology if the sites put the apology down the good old memory hole?

Like rpg.net, somethingawful or r/rpg are interested in anything approaching the truth.
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« Reply #43 on: April 10, 2020, 10:15:36 AM »
I can't say that I'm a fan of Zak Smith, but I also haven't actually seen any evidence of his alleged wrongdoings, and the worst I've personally endured from him has been mild annoyance.
Ettin, however, has been a complete fucking cunt to me, and I know that if I were to ever actually publish my game that him and his little clique would probably hurl hateful, false accusations against myself, and try to get my game canceled. I'm glad he's getting his comeuppance, and I hope that he will learn his lesson.

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« Reply #44 on: April 10, 2020, 11:56:15 AM »
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and I hope that he will learn his lesson.

Since he's conned people into paying his legal fees and settlement via GoFundMe, I doubt there will be any lesson learned.