Quote from: Svenhelgrim on October 27, 2021, 03:49:32 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned troll meat?

Cut a hank off of any troll and keep it in a sealable metal container.  When you are hungry, let the meat regenerate until it expands to a decent size, then cook it up with so e herbs & spices.

Save a little of the raw meat and re seal the container and you have a renewable source of rations. 

Troll meat, the gift that keeps on giving.

Cool idea but it violates the Law of Conservation of Meat.

Quote from: rytrasmi on October 27, 2021, 04:23:58 PM

Quote from: Svenhelgrim on October 27, 2021, 03:49:32 PM
I am surprised that no one has mentioned troll meat?

Cut a hank off of any troll and keep it in a sealable metal container.  When you are hungry, let the meat regenerate until it expands to a decent size, then cook it up with so e herbs & spices.

Save a little of the raw meat and re seal the container and you have a renewable source of rations. 

Troll meat, the gift that keeps on giving.

Cool idea but it violates the Law of Conservation of Meat.

The players can swear up and down that cooking troll meat stops the regeneration, but if they pull this stunt, I'm gonna have them roll a d20, then tell them they feel "relatively fine" and scribble a note behind the screen.
From there, we'll see...

Quote from: DM_Curt on October 27, 2021, 07:49:13 PM
The players can swear up and down that cooking troll meat stops the regeneration, but if they pull this stunt, I'm gonna have them roll a d20, then tell them they feel "relatively fine" and scribble a note behind the screen.
From there, we'll see...

Mr. Bard, so tell us where trolls come from.
Well, you see when adventurers love BBQ very much ...

You know how sometimes people call a bad case of acne an "eruption"?

Those who eat trollflesh need to worry about troll eruptions.

1. Troll meat is hard to keep down
2. Ever hear of rabbit starvation? It's not good for you if it's all you eat. Not easy to use protein.
3. You leave incredibly foul turds that can attract wandering monsters during a rest.
4. Risk that you didn't cook it enough and now you have a potential baby troll in your GI tract problem.
5. It might cause cognitive decline with sustained use due to prions.

Should have got a cleric with a KFC bucket miracle/spell instead.

Quote from: palaeomerus on October 28, 2021, 03:09:16 AM
1. Troll meat is hard to keep down
2. Ever hear of rabbit starvation? It's not good for you if it's all you eat. Not easy to use protein.
3. You leave incredibly foul turds that can attract wandering monsters during a rest.
4. Risk that you didn't cook it enough and now you have a potential baby troll in your GI tract problem.
5. It might cause cognitive decline with sustained use due to prions.

Should have got a cleric with a KFC bucket miracle/spell instead.

IIRC Rabbit Starvation is due to the meat being too lean, it lacks the grease you also need.

Not only of protein lives the adventurer.

That being said, Trolls? I'm pretty sure they are the reason "Kill it with fire" is a thing.

Michael Z. Williamson had a pretty good writeup of the challenges of eating, how shall we say, in a less advanced setting. He did some solid research for one of his novels, A Long Time Until Now, and posted commentary at this link: https://www.baen.com/stoneage (warning, the font is fucking TINY at least for my screen; you may need to resize it).

After experimenting with this diet, his comment was:

"After a week of this diet, I was ready to kill someone for some french fries or a peanut butter sandwich."

If acid damage and fire damage can keep a troll from regenerating so they actually die,  I'd say the fire from cooking troll meat, and the acid from your stomach would keep it from regenerating as well,   but it would still taste like old tires, cause you to vomit, and probably have diarrhea.

Quote from: Banjo Destructo on October 28, 2021, 11:51:45 AM
If acid damage and fire damage can keep a troll from regenerating so they actually die,  I'd say the fire from cooking troll meat, and the acid from your stomach would keep it from regenerating as well,   but it would still taste like old tires, cause you to vomit, and probably have diarrhea.

IIRC and don't quote me on this, but... You need to burn it to ashes for it not to regenerate.

As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.

Still in an extreme urgency it is a source of protein, very lean and foul tasting protein. As you don't want to eat onlky that for any long period of time or you risk Rabbit Starvation (see above).

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 28, 2021, 08:09:43 AM
Michael Z. Williamson had a pretty good writeup of the challenges of eating, how shall we say, in a less advanced setting. He did some solid research for one of his novels, A Long Time Until Now, and posted commentary at this link: https://www.baen.com/stoneage (warning, the font is fucking TINY at least for my screen; you may need to resize it).

After experimenting with this diet, his comment was:

"After a week of this diet, I was ready to kill someone for some french fries or a peanut butter sandwich."

Yep, fat is essential. Salt, too. A dungeon diet would probably need to include stone wall scrapings, blood, and organ meat to get minerals and salt.

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.

This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....

Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:10:36 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.

This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....

But would your adventurers even know about rabbit starvation? Or do they use to eat all the animal when at home?

I know for a fact that in antiquity some cultures had a taboo about eating certain parts of the animal and others believed some parts to be magical.

Hunters eating the liver of the bear in the spot was a thing and such a meat was considered a prize for the hunter, a reward for his work/valor.

The Dragon column 'Ecology of the Aurumvorax' (issue #132) points out another fun issue: not every critter is edible, period.

The aurumvorax, for example, has a great deal of heavy metals impregnated into its meat and eating it will give you a possibly lethal case of metal poisoning (per the article, save vs poison 1d4 turns after the meal; success means you're only incapacitated in agony, as if by a symbol of pain, for 2d4 hour, while failure means you go into a coma and die 10d6 rounds later).

Incinerating the meat, on the other hand, can yield up to 151-250 lbs of gold and other trace elements, and of course the pelt is, if properly removed and cured, gorgeous (the process takes 4000-5000 gp, but yields a garment worth 15,000 gp or more).

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 01:22:50 PM

Quote from: Mind Crime on October 28, 2021, 01:10:36 PM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on October 28, 2021, 12:08:56 PM
As for the taste, yes, predator meat doesn't taste good by any stretch of the imagination, much worst it's the taste of carrion eaters.

This is so true. Bobcat is delicious but opossum, unless you're starving, there is no way to make this palatable. I'll never try that shit again if at all possible. Racoon can be doctored-up, bear is fine as is. All about that diet. One way to stave off rabbit starvation, gotta eat the eyes, heart, liver, lungs, kidneys which turns a lot of people off. But if you're trapped in the dungeon.....

But would your adventurers even know about rabbit starvation? Or do they use to eat all the animal when at home?

I know for a fact that in antiquity some cultures had a taboo about eating certain parts of the animal and others believed some parts to be magical.

Hunters eating the liver of the bear in the spot was a thing and such a meat was considered a prize for the hunter, a reward for his work/valor.

I'd say they would know about it even if they didn't understand the particulars. Primitive peoples figured it out. But I guess it would make a difference what particular class the adventurers came from. Seems peasants would be more likely to eat the offal, especially if it's prepared in a way that doesn't hide what it is or what it naturally tastes like.

"Dude, it's not a pig, it's a pig-faced orc"
"Close enough. <battlecry> SOUP'S ON MOTHER FUCKER"

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 28, 2021, 01:23:44 PM
The Dragon column 'Ecology of the Aurumvorax' (issue #132) points out another fun issue: not every critter is edible, period.

The aurumvorax, for example, has a great deal of heavy metals impregnated into its meat and eating it will give you a possibly lethal case of metal poisoning (per the article, save vs poison 1d4 turns after the meal; success means you're only incapacitated in agony, as if by a symbol of pain, for 2d4 hour, while failure means you go into a coma and die 10d6 rounds later).

Incinerating the meat, on the other hand, can yield up to 151-250 lbs of gold and other trace elements, and of course the pelt is, if properly removed and cured, gorgeous (the process takes 4000-5000 gp, but yields a garment worth 15,000 gp or more).

Yep, I don't know why everybody fixated on the eating part, pelts/skins/feathers, horns, claws, etc could be how you get treasure out of the beast not it shitting a lot of gp when killed. Makes it harder to get those XP but IMHO it could also make it more creative for the players as to their acctions.

If you know that burning beast X makes the valuable pelt not worth a cent then you might try and find other ways of killing it.