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Author Topic: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination  (Read 2994 times)

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #105 on: June 10, 2021, 07:14:13 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public, that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies, that a segregated society is a good thing, and that any  dissent needs to be suppressed. These people fundamentally believe that people are children, and incapable of making their own decisions.

Come on, man.  You dont want to kill Granny do you?
Andrew Cuomo already did.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #106 on: June 10, 2021, 07:29:25 PM »
(They already pry into your "private medical matters" every time they check your temperature before allowing you to enter a place, BTW. Yes, even when they do it with drones and you don't know about it).
Not equivalent, and you know it.

We could keep the World locked down for another year, agreed (only to shift the screams on "they took my freedom!!!" topics). And of course something tested on two billions people across the World for the last six months is nothing more than "experimental". I hear that they are actually importing aliens from Zeta Reticuli so to increase the pool of those "testing".

They're experimental. They're based on a novel technology. They're approved under an emergency authorization, not for general use. While they completed a fairly broad phase 3 testing and have been used on many people, they weren't tested for long enough to rule out any long term side effects. The companies involved have been granted blanket immunity. The known side effects are significant, with more incidents reported to VAERS than all other vaccines combined. There's a good argument that they're more dangerous than the disease itself for those who aren't elderly and don't have co-morbidities. Studies show that people who have had the disease will typically have stronger immunity than those with two shots, yet that's not being considered. Studies also suggest that taking a vaccine after already having covid can lead to more serious side effects. There are highly effective early-course treatments.

This is 101 stuff. You really should read something on the subject.

A better approach for something like a Con is to let people make their own choices. Covid-19 is background noise risk to most people, and those who are higher risk like the elderly and people with co-morbidities can make their own decisions. People who have high risk aversion, or who bought into the fear instead of the science, should probably stay at home because it will never be 100% safe. If the organizers want to do a symptom check at the door, like taking someone's temperature, and kick out people who start coughing, that's fine. They're addressing symptoms, not demanding people undergo experimental medical treatments. And by all means, encourage people who are showing symptoms to seek immediate medical help, and not wait and see. There are treatments that dramatically reduce risk, but only in the early stages.

If it is mandated during a pandemic? Is this a trick question? Ships were quarantined and people barricaded themselves in remote places centuries before people knew what "germs" were.
Quarantining the sick is one thing. Locking out healthy people with no symptoms is something else.

The effort against COVID is a war, pure and simple.
Just like the War against Drugs, or the War against Terror? Declaring something that isn't a war a war is a great way to convince people to give up civil liberties, isn't it?

I'm seriously considering a new rule for my CoC campaign. Since "Under a Winter Snow" is a scenario about the fear of a Spanish Flu resurgence in 1921's North Dakota, I'll have the players make an INT check. If they fail it, their characters will not believe in masks, social distance and quarantine measures. Stunningly clear proof that they were wrong will require another INT check, with a second failure meaning that this belief is permanent. "Unbelieving" characters will have to make a SAN check if forced to comply. Success will mean that they will fake compliance only to ditch the measures ASAP, failure will cause immediate "deranged rant" reactions and, if repeated, violent behaviour.
And you're a shitty GM, too.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2021, 09:15:54 PM by Pat »

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #107 on: June 10, 2021, 11:11:17 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public, that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies, that a segregated society is a good thing, and that any  dissent needs to be suppressed. These people fundamentally believe that people are children, and incapable of making their own decisions.

Come on, man.  You dont want to kill Granny do you?
Andrew Cuomo already did.

Cuomo was so good at killing Grannies he even got the ones in Seattle as well.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #108 on: June 11, 2021, 03:45:41 AM »
There is so much conspiracy theory, outright misinformation, nonsense, and fiction in this thread - it actually qualifies as its own RPG!

I hit quote and copied so many times reading this it crashed my clipboard.

Look -- you've worked yourself up guzzling Fox news, reading QAnon boards, and taking Trump's non-consensual sodomy without lube like drug addicts freebase coke -- as you stand here, pants down, bleeding from your nose, with your wild hair and sniffles, and you're trying to exclaim to everyone "it's a power grab! The pandemic is fake! The snake people are planting chips in your blood so they can establish a communist utopia on Earth!" - and then you want me to take you seriously AND consider you a macho man? Any 6th grader can look up the publicly available information on all this and come to sensible conclusions. Unless they meet you first.

I'm glad Dragonflight is requiring proof of vaccination. I have mine ready to go. Fully baked double house Phizer at your service! I feel fine. Just like I did after the 10 flu shots I've had, and the handful of Pneumonia vaccinations, and my Hep B vaccination (double dose over 3 months), and...

Everything should require proof of vaccination. If you can't be bothered to help society get healthy, you shouldn't be allowed in society. And you whiny cunts can pound your toxic-masculinity-lined-boob-sacs all you want. We don't give a shit. Start your own con you twat.

There was a time when conservatives championed capitalism, entrepreneurialism, common sense, self-reliance, and strong moral values. Now it's a bunch of wackos tilting at Dr. Fauci with a QAnon funnel in one ear and an Orange Clown Death Cult in the other. What happened to you?

Get vaccinated you bunch of crazy sissies. Grow up and come back to reality. You know, so we can hangout and play make-believe -- for fucks sake?
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #109 on: June 11, 2021, 04:51:17 AM »
There is so much conspiracy theory, outright misinformation, nonsense, and fiction in this thread - it actually qualifies as its own RPG!

I hit quote and copied so many times reading this it crashed my clipboard.

Look -- you've worked yourself up guzzling Fox news, reading QAnon boards, and taking Trump's non-consensual sodomy without lube like drug addicts freebase coke -- as you stand here, pants down, bleeding from your nose, with your wild hair and sniffles, and you're trying to exclaim to everyone "it's a power grab! The pandemic is fake! The snake people are planting chips in your blood so they can establish a communist utopia on Earth!" - and then you want me to take you seriously AND consider you a macho man? Any 6th grader can look up the publicly available information on all this and come to sensible conclusions. Unless they meet you first.

I'm glad Dragonflight is requiring proof of vaccination. I have mine ready to go. Fully baked double house Phizer at your service! I feel fine. Just like I did after the 10 flu shots I've had, and the handful of Pneumonia vaccinations, and my Hep B vaccination (double dose over 3 months), and...

Everything should require proof of vaccination. If you can't be bothered to help society get healthy, you shouldn't be allowed in society. And you whiny cunts can pound your toxic-masculinity-lined-boob-sacs all you want. We don't give a shit. Start your own con you twat.

There was a time when conservatives championed capitalism, entrepreneurialism, common sense, self-reliance, and strong moral values. Now it's a bunch of wackos tilting at Dr. Fauci with a QAnon funnel in one ear and an Orange Clown Death Cult in the other. What happened to you?

Get vaccinated you bunch of crazy sissies. Grow up and come back to reality. You know, so we can hangout and play make-believe -- for fucks sake?

You turned on the firehose, and there's a certain quality in quantity. But by just spewing everywhere and lack of imagination makes this a generic and forgettable rant. This is twitter grade stuff.
5/10. Room for improvement.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #110 on: June 11, 2021, 04:58:27 AM »
why not insist on records of your polio vaccination, or TB or hey HIV status?

To be fair it's illegal to conceal your HIV status when it comes to activities which could transmit the disease in most states.

Everything should require proof of vaccination.

Why thou? And how would you manage such verification at events like this?

Anyone in America can now choose to get vaccinated at this point, and once you do the ones who don't are no longer a mortal threat to you. These extra demands are redundant for those who've been vaccinated, and those who believe otherwise never had faith in the science behind it anyway.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #111 on: June 11, 2021, 05:27:19 AM »
   Always the first step to denying rights is to "declare war".   I will say this again though, if a Con is so concerned about vaccines, IMO they should not be having a Con.   The vaccine is experimental, I am glad the people here do not have any side effects and are healthy who received one.  I like to see where it goes with births down the road a few years, then I will have a better idea just how experimental it was/is.  I am also curious as to how well it works against what is certain to be a new strain coming round the globe in perpetuity from here on out.  Might be it is great, might be it was bad.  Calling people sissies is pretty funny too, somehow people willing to risk an infection are more afraid than people taking a vaccine because some people who stand to make a shitload of money told them to?   Upside down world.

    Any events that feel a need to show proof of shot though is not really ready to be open to the public.  Many, including myself have mentioned the huge numbers and crowds at Cons (no idea how crowded Dragon Con gets) and even with a substantial reduction it sure seems like an awful lot of people.   If you feel the vaccine protects you, go right ahead into the crowd IMO.  If you do not want a vaccine, then accept they can turn you away IMO.    I think a better answer, is vaccine (with unproven efficacy) or no vaccine (or even having had a strain already) its better to skip massive indoor gatherings for a while longer if you have any concerns around Covid.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #112 on: June 11, 2021, 07:00:58 AM »
The effort against COVID is a war, pure and simple.
Just like the War against Drugs, or the War against Terror? Declaring something that isn't a war a war is a great way to convince people to give up civil liberties, isn't it?
I'll put this forward, both because I agree with your answer but it is a false equivalency.

True, declaring for something to be a war is a great way to convince people to give up civil liberties. However, both "The War Against Drugs" and "The War Against Terror" were, from the very beginning, vague actions with vague strategies against vague enemies. And, most importantly, without a definite endgame.

"War against COVID" has both a very definite enemy (a coronavirus) about which we actually know a lot (it is the specific variant that needed and still needs research) and a clear modern playbook (actually created by Bush Jr. after he read "The Great Influenza" by John M. Barry, about the Spanish Flu, and asked if the same thing could have happened today; and then further refined by Obama along with the creation of a standing "Pandemic First Response Team" - so it was a bi-partisan effort).

And we have a definite endgame: reopening the World. So, yes, the one against COVID is a war with a clear enemy, strategies, mobilization of resources and a clear goal. We even have past proof, like the "War Against Smallpox" that ended up eradicating smallpox from the planet.
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They're experimental. They're based on a novel technology. They're approved under an emergency authorization, not for general use.
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This is 101 stuff. You really should read something on the subject.
I do read about the subject, but not only "something". This is the first time in history that all stops are eliminated by all nations from the process of finding a vaccine and then getting people vaccinated.

Why some people are unable to just stop and wonder "Why?" before blathering their pre-conceived ideas like if nothing special is happening?

Currently, the World had an infarction. Its lifeblood, the circulation of people and money, almost stopped. All human activities that required human contact - i.e. almost all of them - were curtailed, from working in a factory to going on a cruise or to see a movie. Before you say "Cruises are not essential!" remember: people losing their job in the entertainment sector will not spend their money to buy non-essential groceries. Shop owners will face closure, maybe default (all of this with the real possibility of medical bills piling up). This process is the same that Kickstarted the Great Depression in 1929.

The World never stopped like this. The great plagues of the past didn't stop it, because they circled the World in waves. The Two World Wars didn't stop it. The Spanish Flu didn't stop it - because back then the World wasn't as globalised as today. 9/11 didn't stop the World. But COVID did.

So, you pull out your playbook and... what do you read in it? Things known since primary school: masks, social distance, lockdowns, find a vaccine and get people vaccinated ASAP.

And people who were so lucky to never have lived in times where your government could draft you, give you a rifle and say "Go there and kill someone, or else" (something very unsafe, I assure you), look at two billions vaccinated over six months, a bunch of unavoidable bad reaction cases, and say "You know? I'll risk another year of living with COVID and the risk of catching it, cratered economy, lower general health, more deaths in the States than in all the wars they were in combined, and even all-around sanity loss (it is a given that the psychological effects of COVID will last much more than the pandemic itself). Amazing.
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A better approach for something like a Con is to let people make their own choices.
This is already happening.
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Covid-19 is background noise risk to most people
Honest question: when it was the last time that you put your noise outside your door and looked around? You really think that COVID is only about deaths? What about those afflicted by long-covid, their burden on their own family economy and on the healthcare system? What about the direct burden of COVID on the healthcare system? (you may have heard of the repeated "ICU crises"; now try to decode the acronym). What about those who lost their job? What if the dead family member was the bread winner? What about gigantic markets like entertainment or tourism and the ripple effects from their closure to the rest of the economy?
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and those who are higher risk like the elderly and people with co-morbidities can make their own decisions.
Until their RAH RAH nephew goes to some "Freedom Convention" ("no masks, no social distancing, no vaccines required!") and brings COVID home to bite their ass.

Almost one year and half into this pandemic, and the very first warning they gave back in early 2020 (you can be asymptomatic but you can still be a carrier) still struggles to penetrate some skulls...  ::)
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If it is mandated during a pandemic? Is this a trick question? Ships were quarantined and people barricaded themselves in remote places centuries before people knew what "germs" were.
Quarantining the sick is one thing. Locking out healthy people with no symptoms is something else.
During a pandemic caused by a virus that can make you infective while asymptomatic? Is this another trick question?

(Which was the reason why it exploded so hard in Italy: no one still knew about this specific characteristic of Covid-19. I still remember when I heard on the radio: "It has been confirmed that one can be positive and a source of infection up to seven days before showing symptoms." I felt my skin crawling. I could even tell you where I was and what I was doing when I heard this. The "viral bomb" exploded in Lombardy after a couple of days).
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I'm seriously considering a new rule for my CoC campaign. Since "Under a Winter Snow" is a scenario about the fear of a Spanish Flu resurgence in 1921's North Dakota, I'll have the players make an INT check. If they fail it, their characters will not believe in masks, social distance and quarantine measures. Stunningly clear proof that they were wrong will require another INT check, with a second failure meaning that this belief is permanent. "Unbelieving" characters will have to make a SAN check if forced to comply. Success will mean that they will fake compliance only to ditch the measures ASAP, failure will cause immediate "deranged rant" reactions and, if repeated, violent behaviour.
And you're a shitty GM, too.
I feel that in CoC it is important to ground your characters in the realities of the time. Others' mileage may vary :D 
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #113 on: June 11, 2021, 09:14:02 AM »
Requiring people to be vaccinated to attend a con is a means to prevent the transmission of Covid-19. If the health of your fellow humans are is a bridge to far I for one am glad such a selfish person will not be at a con I am attending. And this I don't want an experimental drug in your system is quite the bullshit. The hamburger you eat is extremely more toxic to your health then the achievements of modern science. This special snowflake entitlement is disgusting. Get over yourself get vaccinated and demonstrate on the most basic level you can be a productive member of society.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #114 on: June 11, 2021, 09:15:16 AM »
And there goes 'my body, my choice', right off into the sunset.

Good job, folks.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #115 on: June 11, 2021, 09:19:58 AM »

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While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #116 on: June 11, 2021, 09:22:07 AM »
And there goes 'my body, my choice', right off into the sunset.

Good job, folks.

No one is saying you have to get a vaccine. Just like no one needs to be forced in a closed space with your dumb ass. If you choose to not be vaccinated be prepared for the consequences, like right-minded people not wanting you breathing near them.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #117 on: June 11, 2021, 09:27:15 AM »
There is so much conspiracy theory, outright misinformation, nonsense, and fiction in this thread - it actually qualifies as its own RPG!

I hit quote and copied so many times reading this it crashed my clipboard.

Look -- you've worked yourself up guzzling Fox news, reading QAnon boards, and taking Trump's non-consensual sodomy without lube like drug addicts freebase coke -- as you stand here, pants down, bleeding from your nose, with your wild hair and sniffles, and you're trying to exclaim to everyone "it's a power grab! The pandemic is fake! The snake people are planting chips in your blood so they can establish a communist utopia on Earth!" - and then you want me to take you seriously AND consider you a macho man? Any 6th grader can look up the publicly available information on all this and come to sensible conclusions. Unless they meet you first.

I'm glad Dragonflight is requiring proof of vaccination. I have mine ready to go. Fully baked double house Phizer at your service! I feel fine. Just like I did after the 10 flu shots I've had, and the handful of Pneumonia vaccinations, and my Hep B vaccination (double dose over 3 months), and...

Everything should require proof of vaccination. If you can't be bothered to help society get healthy, you shouldn't be allowed in society. And you whiny cunts can pound your toxic-masculinity-lined-boob-sacs all you want. We don't give a shit. Start your own con you twat.

There was a time when conservatives championed capitalism, entrepreneurialism, common sense, self-reliance, and strong moral values. Now it's a bunch of wackos tilting at Dr. Fauci with a QAnon funnel in one ear and an Orange Clown Death Cult in the other. What happened to you?

Get vaccinated you bunch of crazy sissies. Grow up and come back to reality. You know, so we can hangout and play make-believe -- for fucks sake?

Should be quoted and posted at the top of each page of this thread!
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #118 on: June 11, 2021, 09:33:39 AM »
And there goes 'my body, my choice', right off into the sunset.

Good job, folks.
So, when will your campaign to suppress laws against DUIing start?  :D
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #119 on: June 11, 2021, 09:48:50 AM »
And there goes 'my body, my choice', right off into the sunset.

Good job, folks.
Yep.

The number of people lining up for jackboots in this thread is appalling.