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Author Topic: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination  (Read 2995 times)

Zelen

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #90 on: June 10, 2021, 09:13:36 AM »
Solution has always been if you're afraid of risk, stay home. I'm personally at higher risk of hurting myself by falling down the stairs, driving a car, cooking dinner, swimming in a pool, and various other types of everyday activities than I am of this particular illness. If my risk tolerance for driving is low, it's not reasonable or rational for me to expect everyone else in the world to accommodate me by staying home so I can drive on roads safely.

Staying home generally is more possible than ever. For example, if you're not comfortable going into a store, basically all stores now offer curbside delivery or even home delivery.

Same principle applies to cons. If you think the risk of getting sick from a con outweighs the benefits, stay home. Fact of the matter is, masks and social distancing and hand sanitizer have demonstrated virtually no real-world impact on transmission rates. If you're going to a big gathering of people none of those magic talismans are going to protect you, so act accordingly and if you think you'll get sick (and that isn't acceptable) then stay home. Even the vaccines only provide a ~1% absolute risk reduction (that might make sense on a population level, but is insignificant for an individual risk assessment).

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #91 on: June 10, 2021, 04:21:29 PM »
It should be a violation of privacy for them to ask to see your medical
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« Reply #92 on: June 10, 2021, 04:31:03 PM »
It should be a violation of privacy for them to ask to see your medical
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They can ask almost anything. You don't have to comply. They don't have to let you in if you don't comply (or even if you do).

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« Reply #93 on: June 10, 2021, 04:42:26 PM »
Isn't this a privately organized and run event? If so, what possible reason could you have for expecting them to bow to your opinions about vaccines? It's their event, so it's their rules. The end. If you don't like it, don't go.

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« Reply #94 on: June 10, 2021, 05:13:37 PM »
It should be a violation of privacy for them to ask to see your medical
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They can ask almost anything. You don't have to comply. They don't have to let you in if you don't comply (or even if you do).


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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #95 on: June 10, 2021, 05:16:19 PM »
Isn't this a privately organized and run event? If so, what possible reason could you have for expecting them to bow to your opinions about vaccines? It's their event, so it's their rules. The end. If you don't like it, don't go.
So consumers aren't allowed to express their dissatisfaction with businesses now?

Good to know. I'm going to have to apologize to Apple for boycotting them because they supported slave labor.

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« Reply #96 on: June 10, 2021, 05:28:38 PM »
You can express whatever hare-brained opinions you want about any business or anything else. But they are under no obligation to pay attention to you. Frankly, the whole issue boils down to childishness: a slice of the population has decided to not get vaccinated against Covid-19 but doesn't want to deal with the consequences of their decision. Sack up, babies.

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« Reply #97 on: June 10, 2021, 05:43:35 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public, that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies, that a segregated society is a good thing, and that any  dissent needs to be suppressed. These people fundamentally believe that people are children, and incapable of making their own decisions.

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« Reply #98 on: June 10, 2021, 05:56:34 PM »
'dangling liars'? Not a great opening salvo. I understand that you have a long list of evil people who you hold responsible for the consequences of your decisions, but you really need a better name for them.

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« Reply #99 on: June 10, 2021, 06:04:04 PM »
Consequences? Oh, right. You're one of those people who blames the people who are being bullied. That's sick. You should seek help.

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« Reply #100 on: June 10, 2021, 06:48:04 PM »
You can express whatever hare-brained opinions you want about any business or anything else. But they are under no obligation to pay attention to you. Frankly, the whole issue boils down to childishness: a slice of the population has decided to not get vaccinated against Covid-19 but doesn't want to deal with the consequences of their decision. Sack up, babies.

Disagree. If they dont get the vaccine, they know the risk they are taking. If they get sick it's on them.

But if the vaccines work, then the chance of them getting covid lowers by the percent of people vaccinated.

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« Reply #101 on: June 10, 2021, 06:53:03 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public, that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies, that a segregated society is a good thing, and that any  dissent needs to be suppressed. These people fundamentally believe that people are children, and incapable of making their own decisions.

Yeah, why not insist on records of your polio vaccination, or TB or hey HIV status?

How about a note from your psychologist that you are stable enough not to go on a killing spree?

Or maybe your voter ID card to keep those evil Trump supporters away?

Its not about concern, its about control.

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« Reply #102 on: June 10, 2021, 06:55:58 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public, that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies, that a segregated society is a good thing, and that any  dissent needs to be suppressed. These people fundamentally believe that people are children, and incapable of making their own decisions.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #103 on: June 10, 2021, 07:03:21 PM »
I agree it's about childishness. A selection of the population, let's call them the dangling liars, think that private medical matters should be public
Aren't some people great? They ask you for a proof that you got a vaccine while a pandemic is raging and it is immediately compared with being forced to sell your own family to white slaves  ;D

(They already pry into your "private medical matters" every time they check your temperature before allowing you to enter a place, BTW. Yes, even when they do it with drones and you don't know about it).

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that the standard of informed consent should be thrown out the door in favor of one-size-fits all solutions using experimental technologies
We could keep the World locked down for another year, agreed (only to shift the screams on "they took my freedom!!!" topics). And of course something tested on two billions people across the World for the last six months is nothing more than "experimental". I hear that they are actually importing aliens from Zeta Reticuli so to increase the pool of those "testing".

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that a segregated society is a good thing
If it is mandated during a pandemic? Is this a trick question? Ships were quarantined and people barricaded themselves in remote places centuries before people knew what "germs" were.

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and that any dissent needs to be suppressed.
No one needs to "suppress dissent": the COVID does it for you.

The effort against COVID is a war, pure and simple. And yet the country who, in any war it found itself in, "suppressed dissent" (like with "Wilson's Hardline Approach" in 1917, or the "social self-suppression" in the lead up to Iraq 2003), tried "experimental therapies" (Penicillin C was experimental during WWII), curtailed civil liberties and ignored civil rights (Lincoln suppressed the "Habeas Corpus" during the Civil War) and pried into medical records (McCarthy, amid other things, in the "War against Communism") - all of this usually amid a delirium of RAH! RAH! - can't understand that they are in a fight. They already paid a terrible price in human lives... and yet you can still find people clueless as why "The richest, advancestest and overall bestest country in the World!" had COVID running circles around it. Boy...

(Who knows? Maybe the real point of origin of COVID wasn't China but Vietnam).

I'm seriously considering a new rule for my CoC campaign. Since "Under a Winter Snow" is a scenario about the fear of a Spanish Flu resurgence in 1921's North Dakota, I'll have the players make an INT check. If they fail it, their characters will not believe in masks, social distance and quarantine measures. Stunningly clear proof that they were wrong will require another INT check, with a second failure meaning that this belief is permanent. "Unbelieving" characters will have to make a SAN check if forced to comply. Success will mean that they will fake compliance only to ditch the measures ASAP, failure will cause immediate "deranged rant" reactions and, if repeated, violent behaviour.

As the Keeper, I already know that I'll have to enforce these beliefs the way I enforce certain actions on insane characters - because, believe me, over here no one would behave that way, not even in a RPG.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #104 on: June 10, 2021, 07:12:38 PM »
Isn't this a privately organized and run event? If so, what possible reason could you have for expecting them to bow to your opinions about vaccines? It's their event, so it's their rules. The end. If you don't like it, don't go.

That's what I posted. They're allowed to make whatever stupid, bone headed decisions they like. And I'm free to not go.
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