We're starting to veer off track here, let's get back before Pundit gets grumpy.

Any word on other conventions, if any?

Quote from: Omega on June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM

Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

In all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

   To move back towards the topic, I heard lots about the con crud before I went to Gen Con years ago.  However, having been in the military, having school age kids, and having a job where I was in close contact with other people for 10 years before I went, I did not end up with the crud, though I most certainly could see how it could be a thing from the way that place was packed out.  Which leads me to veer towards the idea that anyone who feels a mask is necessary to go somewhere, should not be anywhere near a Con of any kind mask or no mask, vaccine or not.   

    Regarding people we know who may have had Covid,  I know several people myself (14 total last I tallied) and no fatalities in the crowd, two hospitalizations - both people with immune issues- and several of the people (6) were in their 70's. 

Quote from: oggsmash on June 08, 2021, 02:34:32 PM
Which leads me to veer towards the idea that anyone who feels a mask is necessary to go somewhere, should not be anywhere near a Con of any kind mask or no mask, vaccine or not.   

Bears repeating. Cons are the worst sort of event to go to, if you're afraid of covid-19.

But if you do start to display symptoms, get treatment right away. There are some very good treatments that can prevent covid-19 from getting worse, but they have to be started very early. They won't help if the disease is already far along.

So while the two days from first symptoms to death stories aren't plausible, two days from being hospitalized until death is very plausible, because there are a lot of people who think they'll be fine or just want to wait and see, and don't seek help until the disease is quite advanced. I know a friend of the family who did that, and ended up on a ventilator for 6 weeks. Which is ironic in a nasty way, because she was avoiding the hospital because she was scared of ventilators.

Quote from: Ghostmaker on June 08, 2021, 01:33:06 PM
We're starting to veer off track here, let's get back before Pundit gets grumpy.

Any word on other conventions, if any?

GenCon seems to be hemming and hawing in trying to figure out what to do.  I've gotten several surveys asking if they did X how would that affect my willingness to attend.  I don't mind if they want to take extra precautions.  Things like having hand sanitizer stations, closing the con at night so they can sanitize things themselves, better spacing of the tables and game rooms (seriously, even w/o a COVID scare they need less tables in those rooms), offering free testing, etc.

Things they will try to force on me though, like mandatory masking, temperature taking, vaccine passport... nah.  Those are show stoppers for me and I said as much.

I've since decided to skip this year.  I can't fathom spending the $$$ to go to a con that will likely have limited attendance. I can't imagine many companies will be there will be due to safety concerns not yet being ironed out and the date being changed.  We already saw Paizo and Asmodee pull out.  There are probably a bunch of smaller ones I haven't heard about yet as well.

The pop-up GenCon idea sounded sorta interesting and I was going to see if my FLGS was interested.  Then they said there is a $5 badge fee for it.  I mean, I get it, sort of.  I just can't think of anyone that would pay $5 for something we do normally for free.

Quote from: Omega on June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM

Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

If we took those anecdotal numbers as representative of the virus, I'd think that the total death toll worldwide would be magnitudes higher.

QuoteIn all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

Yeah, while I think a lot of the reaction to Covid has been superstitious or ideological nonsense, a convention is a prime candidate for maximizing the spread of this thing. And we only have a few months worth of data on the effectiveness of the vaccinations, and quite a few variants have already sprung up.

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Quote from: rgalex on June 08, 2021, 10:44:08 AMI'm not going to say that those things didn't happen, but... that's some amazingly fast moving COVID.  Last numbers I saw, which granted may be off because it was a few months ago, showed that the average number of days from 1st symptoms until death in non-survivors was 18.5.

Thats what family members told me so I am assuming thats the case somehow. I too was under the impression it took a while. Hence the problem. By the time you know you have it, you've likely spread it some.

Quote from: horsesoldier on June 08, 2021, 01:07:16 PM
One might think that such a startling story would have been everywhere in the crisis oriented news.

Didnt know rolling 18s was a crisis incident.

Quote from: oggsmash on June 08, 2021, 02:34:32 PM
   To move back towards the topic, I heard lots about the con crud before I went to Gen Con years ago.  However, having been in the military, having school age kids, and having a job where I was in close contact with other people for 10 years before I went, I did not end up with the crud, though I most certainly could see how it could be a thing from the way that place was packed out.  Which leads me to veer towards the idea that anyone who feels a mask is necessary to go somewhere, should not be anywhere near a Con of any kind mask or no mask, vaccine or not.   

For me GenCon was allways the worse. Just about every time went to it, was everything from sick, to hellishly sick right after.

Now mind you. It might not necessarily be the Con that gets you. But the plane or bus you rode.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 08, 2021, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

I totally disagree. Gaming doesn't have to be politically segregated, and I don't think it should be. People that can't be respectful to others in public can be weeded out, but that doesn't need to be based on political lines.

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 08, 2021, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Greetings!

I totally agree, Spinachcat! The Cons need to be separated, so that normal, sane, gamers can gather together in peace to enjoy gaming without being screamed at, or canceled, or confronted by Marxist pod-people jackasses.

Marxist brainwashed SJW rainbow hippos are the ones that can't act like fucking adults in public. So, they need to be removed.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Well I checked up on my home town and yeah there were a bunch of covid deaths over the course of a week then more a month later all at once. But what was really jaw dropping and what had not heard of was a big spike in deaths. around the start of 2021. 20+ in a single day? I am guessing because theres a major university in the middle of the place. But still thats alot of deaths all at once.

So checked local and its worse. But here we both have two colleges and a large population.

On the gaming side this reminds me a bit of the disaster rules from Oriental Adventures where a plague could sweep through an area and even spread to other kingdoms over the course of anywhere from a few months to a year of rolled really badly.

Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 10:08:11 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 08, 2021, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Greetings!

I totally agree, Spinachcat! The Cons need to be separated, so that normal, sane, gamers can gather together in peace to enjoy gaming without being screamed at, or canceled, or confronted by Marxist pod-people jackasses.

Marxist brainwashed SJW rainbow hippos are the ones that can't act like fucking adults in public. So, they need to be removed.

I literally can't say if the above is ironic or intended for real.

Anyway, we are talking about the Conventions held in the country that scored 25% of the World's deaths with only 4% of the World population, right? I so, I can understand why some people over there are a bit jittery

Quote from: Reckall on June 09, 2021, 04:50:44 AM

Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 10:08:11 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 08, 2021, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Greetings!

I totally agree, Spinachcat! The Cons need to be separated, so that normal, sane, gamers can gather together in peace to enjoy gaming without being screamed at, or canceled, or confronted by Marxist pod-people jackasses.

Marxist brainwashed SJW rainbow hippos are the ones that can't act like fucking adults in public. So, they need to be removed.

I literally can't say if the above is ironic or intended for real.

Anyway, we are talking about the Conventions held in the country that scored 25% of the World's deaths with only 4% of the World population, right? I so, I can understand why some people over there are a bit jittery

A couple years ago I'd have laughed at it myself.

Now I'm not so sure, because wokeists tend to do really, really fucking stupid things when something pushes one of their many buttons.

Quote from: Reckall on June 09, 2021, 04:50:44 AM

Quote from: SHARK on June 08, 2021, 10:08:11 PM

Quote from: Spinachcat on June 08, 2021, 06:12:38 PM

Quote from: Zelen on June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Greetings!

I totally agree, Spinachcat! The Cons need to be separated, so that normal, sane, gamers can gather together in peace to enjoy gaming without being screamed at, or canceled, or confronted by Marxist pod-people jackasses.

Marxist brainwashed SJW rainbow hippos are the ones that can't act like fucking adults in public. So, they need to be removed.

I literally can't say if the above is ironic or intended for real.

Anyway, we are talking about the Conventions held in the country that scored 25% of the World's deaths with only 4% of the World population, right? I so, I can understand why some people over there are a bit jittery

Well, you've got to give the US some credit, we eliminated flu and pneumonia deaths! And of course the Chinese were completely transparent in their death numbers. They wouldn't cook the books.