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Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination

Started by Ratman_tf, June 06, 2021, 10:18:08 PM

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Ratman_tf

#45
June 07, 2021, 07:46:43 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 07:29:44 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 06:54:03 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 06:27:21 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 04:12:53 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

The seasonal flu is not a novel virus. We have established vaccines and treatments for it. The Spanish flu killed up to 50 million. The Asian and Hong Kong flus killed about 1 million each.

And since the reproduction (R0) rate of the Hong Kong flu was 1.8, you can see why the Covid is worse, if the fact that we are up to 3.75 Million dead so far isnt evidence enough.

You defined it as "insanely" worse. I'm still failing to see you quanitfy "insane" compared to other viral outbreaks.

I didnt define it as "insanely" worse. Omega did. I said "worse", which it is.

Ah, ok. I got a little off track there when you replied to a question for him.
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Shasarak

#46
June 07, 2021, 08:36:15 PM
The only thing surprising is that they dont ask everyone to wear masks - double masks preferred of course.
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DocJones

#47
June 07, 2021, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 06:20:01 PM
Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.
Fauci, I and the science all agree that masks are totally useless...unless you are the one withe the Wuhan flu and are sneezing and coughing at everyone.
And I stated this last year on this forum.   But here's the problem with some of the conventions:
GenCon sent us all a survey asking our opinions on what would make us "FEEL SAFE" to attend their convention.
As of this moment GenCon has no idea what the hell they will require of attendees...
but they are selling badges right now.
Hilariously they claim that 100% of GenCon employees are vaccinated, and yet they are all still working from home!
These people clearly don't even believe in the vaccine they are promoting.

Eirikrautha

#48
June 08, 2021, 07:04:43 AM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

According to the WHO, it has a CFR of 2.0 - 3.0, and an estimated IFR of one-tenth that.  That's identical to the H1N1 flu in 2009.  Did you take all of these precautions back then?

oggsmash

#49
June 08, 2021, 07:20:00 AM
Quote from: DocJones on June 07, 2021, 09:12:26 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 06:20:01 PM
Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.
Fauci, I and the science all agree that masks are totally useless...unless you are the one withe the Wuhan flu and are sneezing and coughing at everyone.
And I stated this last year on this forum.   But here's the problem with some of the conventions:
GenCon sent us all a survey asking our opinions on what would make us "FEEL SAFE" to attend their convention.
As of this moment GenCon has no idea what the hell they will require of attendees...
but they are selling badges right now.
Hilariously they claim that 100% of GenCon employees are vaccinated, and yet they are all still working from home!
These people clearly don't even believe in the vaccine they are promoting.

   I am a little surprised GenCon is running an event.  That is a serious crowd, and as super serial as the folks around that Con have taken the bug, the best thing they could do, the most responsible thing they could do, to remain intellectually honest is to simply have no Con and wait till next year.

Anon Adderlan

#50
June 08, 2021, 09:07:06 AM
The whole point of providing a vaccine was so policies like this would not be necessary. If you're worried about catching #Covid then just get vaccinated and stop worrying about everyone else.

Quote from: DocJones on June 07, 2021, 09:12:26 PM
GenCon sent us all a survey asking our opinions on what would make us "FEEL SAFE" to attend their convention.

Answer: People making medical decisions based on science rather than politics.

Sadly most people don't, and facts aren't going to sell tickets.

rgalex

#51
June 08, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
QuoteI am a little surprised GenCon is running an event.  That is a serious crowd, and as super serial as the folks around that Con have taken the bug, the best thing they could do, the most responsible thing they could do, to remain intellectually honest is to simply have no Con and wait till next year.

They have reduced the number of maximum attendees they are allowing.  The badge registration announcement said "In-person attendance will be capped to comply with local, state, and national public-health and safety guidelines".  Who knows how many that means, but I'm guessing it is going to be far less than the 60k - 70k previous attendance.

horsesoldier

#52
June 08, 2021, 10:13:59 AM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 06:20:01 PM
Quote from: horsesoldier on June 07, 2021, 03:15:01 PM
Quote from: Wntrlnd on June 07, 2021, 02:02:40 PM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.

Come on dude. There have always been bad, awful wrong thinkers who didn't mask and social distance and states who didn't force the policy. These people/states would still have flu deaths.

What about pneumonia? People with health conditions can get it all on their own. If you have COPD, for example, no amount of masking (and indeed restricting breathing would make it more likely) you can get pneumonia that will eventually kill without treatment. Yet we see a similar completely out of bounds number of deaths. Why?

Omega

#53
June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 10:32:18 AM by Omega
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

In all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

Omega

#54
June 08, 2021, 10:34:09 AM
Though as noted, the local meeting last week everyone attending had been vaccinated and so far seems ok.

rocksfalleverybodydies

#55
June 08, 2021, 10:39:32 AM Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 10:41:54 AM by rocksfalleverybodydies
Quote from: rgalex on June 08, 2021, 09:56:48 AM
QuoteI am a little surprised GenCon is running an event.  That is a serious crowd, and as super serial as the folks around that Con have taken the bug, the best thing they could do, the most responsible thing they could do, to remain intellectually honest is to simply have no Con and wait till next year.

They have reduced the number of maximum attendees they are allowing.  The badge registration announcement said "In-person attendance will be capped to comply with local, state, and national public-health and safety guidelines".  Who knows how many that means, but I'm guessing it is going to be far less than the 60k - 70k previous attendance.

I'm just pleased that I'll be able to attend online for free as the physical trip there is not feasible and I quite enjoyed a lot of the livestream symposiums they streamed last year.

Pretty much all the ones in Canada have been cancelled until spring 2022 so it fills the need.

rgalex

#56
June 08, 2021, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Omega on June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

In all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

I'm not going to say that those things didn't happen, but... that's some amazingly fast moving COVID.  Last numbers I saw, which granted may be off because it was a few months ago, showed that the average number of days from 1st symptoms until death in non-survivors was 18.5.

FingerRod

#57
June 08, 2021, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: rgalex on June 08, 2021, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Omega on June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

In all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

I'm not going to say that those things didn't happen, but... that's some amazingly fast moving COVID.  Last numbers I saw, which granted may be off because it was a few months ago, showed that the average number of days from 1st symptoms until death in non-survivors was 18.5.

Same, I don't think anybody is maliciously lying about this, however, before I believe that a group of otherwise young and healthy people all went to dinner and died within a week from COVID, I need to go apologize to my cousin for not believing him in third grade when he showed up after rolling five 18's and a 17 for his character.

Jam The MF

#58
June 08, 2021, 12:13:24 PM Last Edit: June 08, 2021, 12:19:29 PM by Jam The MF
Quote from: FingerRod on June 08, 2021, 12:03:18 PM
Quote from: rgalex on June 08, 2021, 10:44:08 AM
Quote from: Omega on June 08, 2021, 10:28:01 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on June 07, 2021, 01:28:25 PM
Quote from: Omega on June 07, 2021, 12:34:20 PM
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

As noted in an older thread here. Sister of one of our local players got it and was dead within 2 days. Another family member of a local player was, as last heard, on life support. And in my home town a group went out to a restaurant, all got it and were all dead within a week. Far as know none of these were older people.

In all honesty cons have been a known disease vector for a very long time anyhow. I've lost track of how many times I've gotten "con flu", a few of those really bad too. Getting vaccinated regularly cut that down significantly. But not totally unfortunately.

I'm not going to say that those things didn't happen, but... that's some amazingly fast moving COVID.  Last numbers I saw, which granted may be off because it was a few months ago, showed that the average number of days from 1st symptoms until death in non-survivors was 18.5.

Same, I don't think anybody is maliciously lying about this, however, before I believe that a group of otherwise young and healthy people all went to dinner and died within a week from COVID, I need to go apologize to my cousin for not believing him in third grade when he showed up after rolling five 18's and a 17 for his character.

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Dude, I swear!!!  What do you mean, you don't believe me?

My character's name, is Festus the Great.  He was born to a poor family, and he grew up in a small village.  His hair is purple, and his penis glows in the dark.
Let the Dice, Decide the Outcome.  Accept the Results.

horsesoldier

#59
June 08, 2021, 01:07:16 PM
One might think that such a startling story would have been everywhere in the crisis oriented news.
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