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Author Topic: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination  (Read 3105 times)

Ratman_tf

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Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« on: June 06, 2021, 10:18:08 PM »
https://dragonflight.org/covid-19-statement/?fbclid=IwAR1Jl9eeNU7nLasKtBJDvpJr-UuPpnGg7Ztt9Evt9D1nju3rYkxRxa-zXuc

With exception for those with a medical excuse.

I hadn't planned on attending any conventions this year due to just this. I'll probably have to skip any X-Wing miniatures events being held at a convention that requires vaccinations.

*Edit* Ok, I can't edit the title. They do accept the Johnson and Johnson vaccination, which is not an mRNA vaccine.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #1 on: June 06, 2021, 10:24:06 PM »
https://dragonflight.org/covid-19-statement/?fbclid=IwAR1Jl9eeNU7nLasKtBJDvpJr-UuPpnGg7Ztt9Evt9D1nju3rYkxRxa-zXuc

With exception for those with a medical excuse.

I hadn't planned on attending any conventions this year due to just this. I'll probably have to skip any X-Wing miniatures events being held at a convention that requires vaccinations.

Did you read your own link?

“Definition of fully vaccinated: Event attendees vaccinated against COVID-19 by a two-dose mRNA vaccine (such as Moderna and Pfizer), or a single dose vaccine (such as Johnson & Johnson), are considered “fully vaccinated” two weeks after the final dose of vaccine (the second dose for a two-dose regimen, or the single dose for a single-dose regimen).”

Requiring any vaccine for a con is dumb, but it is certainly up to those who organize the event to decide. There is always next year I suppose...

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #2 on: June 06, 2021, 10:42:46 PM »
"Even with proof of a negative COVID-19 test all unvaccinated attendees must wear masks while attending the convention."

In other words, kids and those with medical conditions are allowed, but required to wear a scarlet letter.

But it's Puritan Boston I mean Progressive Seattle, what do you expect?

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #3 on: June 06, 2021, 10:44:16 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #4 on: June 06, 2021, 10:56:45 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

Worth bitching about to con organizers I think. This type of thing is really going to split society.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #5 on: June 06, 2021, 11:07:50 PM »
Requiring any vaccine for a con is dumb, but it is certainly up to those who organize the event to decide. There is always next year I suppose...
Their statement says that they are taking their lead from the state (WA) and hosting hotel restrictions. It also says that these requirements may change as the date gets closer, likely to follow any changes in the state's or hosting hotel's requirements.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #6 on: June 06, 2021, 11:16:22 PM »
https://dragonflight.org/covid-19-statement/?fbclid=IwAR1Jl9eeNU7nLasKtBJDvpJr-UuPpnGg7Ztt9Evt9D1nju3rYkxRxa-zXuc

With exception for those with a medical excuse.

I hadn't planned on attending any conventions this year due to just this. I'll probably have to skip any X-Wing miniatures events being held at a convention that requires vaccinations.

Did you read your own link?

Did you read my edit?
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #7 on: June 06, 2021, 11:22:34 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #8 on: June 06, 2021, 11:30:15 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.

It's got nothing to do with being anti-vaxx. I don't want to take these experimental vaccines until they have full FDA approval and are not protected by the PREP act.
The government and corporations should take their fair share of responsibility for experimental vaccinations.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #9 on: June 06, 2021, 11:31:25 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.
What business is it of a con whether I've been vaccinated (for the record I have.  My work required it, so I got the J&J)?  Do they check for other medical conditions?  Chicken pox, tuberculosis, legionnaires disease, AIDS?  There are literally hundreds of contagious diseases with higher mortality rates, but this one justifies you prying into my medical records?  I want to see your bank records to make sure you haven't spent money on anything that my be socially destructive.  Oh, and I get to define what that is.  Fuck off with that noise!

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #10 on: June 06, 2021, 11:41:31 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.
All evidence suggests that a natural immune response is at least as effective as a vaccination. This has been known for months.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/33408181/


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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #11 on: June 06, 2021, 11:45:28 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.

It's got nothing to do with being anti-vaxx. I don't want to take these experimental vaccines until they have full FDA approval and are not protected by the PREP act.
The government and corporations should take their fair share of responsibility for experimental vaccinations.

Okay - you do you. But if everyone did that - we'd be having another 600k COVID deaths in the next year or two. Yay! Hopefully we reach herd immunity without you.

This particular MRNA vaccine hasn't been fully tested - but MRNA vaccines are a known factor - and there should likely be a permanent expedited approval process for them.

Anywho - I'll bow out here I guess. Not really gaming related at this point.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #12 on: June 06, 2021, 11:50:20 PM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.

It's got nothing to do with being anti-vaxx. I don't want to take these experimental vaccines until they have full FDA approval and are not protected by the PREP act.
The government and corporations should take their fair share of responsibility for experimental vaccinations.

Okay - you do you. But if everyone did that - we'd be having another 600k COVID deaths in the next year or two. Yay!

This particular MRNA vaccine hasn't been fully tested - but MRNA vaccines are a known factor - and there should likely be a permanent expedited approval process for them.

Anywho - I'll bow out here I guess. Not really gaming related at this point.

Nice derail and bail. I directly answered your question as it was relevant to the discussion. You're the one who wants to make it about the vaccinations themselves and not gaming.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #13 on: June 07, 2021, 08:22:01 AM »
And what of those of us who had COVID, and have antibodies? We are actually LESS likely to get or spread the virus, yet are being actively discriminated against.

Guess it's no cons for me.

While less likely than the general populace - I don't think that's as solid as the vaccine.

Are there a bunch of anti-vaxxers on this board? I don't understand why getting a vaccine that may save your life and will help let society re-open is such a burden that you would avoid going to a gaming con that you otherwise would like to.

It's got nothing to do with being anti-vaxx. I don't want to take these experimental vaccines until they have full FDA approval and are not protected by the PREP act.
The government and corporations should take their fair share of responsibility for experimental vaccinations.

Okay - you do you. But if everyone did that - we'd be having another 600k COVID deaths in the next year or two. Yay! Hopefully we reach herd immunity without you.

This particular MRNA vaccine hasn't been fully tested - but MRNA vaccines are a known factor - and there should likely be a permanent expedited approval process for them.

Anywho - I'll bow out here I guess. Not really gaming related at this point.
It's not like the convention's being run by Andrew Cuomo.

Incidentially, it seems DragonCon has taken a less obnoxious tack:

"Additionally, under Georgia law, there is no liability for an injury or death of an individual on or off the premises of one of the Convention hotels or Dragon Con venues if such injury or death results from the inherent risks of contracting COVID-19. By attending Dragon Con, you accept that you are assuming the risk by entering the premises and participating in Dragon Con activities. You also acknowledge that there is a risk of injury or death from Covid-19 that you may contract during your travel to or from the Convention or any Dragon Con venues. You accept the risk of contracting Covid-19 or transmitting Covid-19 to others as a result of travel to or from the Convention or any Dragon Con venue."
(from the DragonCon policy section, https://www.dragoncon.org/about/dragon-con-policies/ )

See you in Atlanta! :D

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #14 on: June 07, 2021, 09:16:25 AM »
They should be requiring obese gamers to prove they are on a diet.  Diabetes and heart disease are a far greater risk than covid to the majority of the gaming community. 

Or maybe they should inspect everyone's armpits before entering to make sure that they have bathed and put on deodorant before entering.   ;)
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