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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #75 on: June 09, 2021, 08:02:28 AM »
This type of thing is really going to split society.

That's the goal.

There just needs to be Red State GameCons that ignores this idiocy. Wanna wear your face diaper? Your choice. Wanna inject yourself with experimental drugs? Your choice. Wanna attend a con with no rules? Your choice.

Like everything else in the cultural war, there needs to be greater division and each side needs to go their own way.

Greetings!

I totally agree, Spinachcat! The Cons need to be separated, so that normal, sane, gamers can gather together in peace to enjoy gaming without being screamed at, or canceled, or confronted by Marxist pod-people jackasses.

Marxist brainwashed SJW rainbow hippos are the ones that can't act like fucking adults in public. So, they need to be removed.

I literally can't say if the above is ironic or intended for real.

Anyway, we are talking about the Conventions held in the country that scored 25% of the World's deaths with only 4% of the World population, right? I so, I can understand why some people over there are a bit jittery
 
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape. 

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #76 on: June 09, 2021, 09:41:30 AM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

 

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #77 on: June 09, 2021, 09:53:39 AM »
I need to go apologize to my cousin for not believing him in third grade when he showed up after rolling five 18’s and a 17 for his character.

Obviously if he'd cheated they would all be 18's, duh.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #78 on: June 09, 2021, 10:24:23 AM »
I'd be down for a convention where they actually require people to act like adults and be polite to each other.  I understand that people with strollers take up a fair bit of space but some of the shit that people said to my wife was uncalled for.  Nerds are really the worst people in the world and all act like they're victims because they were asocial shits in school and got beat up for it.  The solution isn't to double down on being a shit.

No one should be attending a con if they're worried about the coof.  Stay the fuck home!  If you're worried about it the best thing you can do is not expose yourself to it.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #79 on: June 09, 2021, 12:46:18 PM »
https://dragonflight.org/covid-19-statement/?fbclid=IwAR1Jl9eeNU7nLasKtBJDvpJr-UuPpnGg7Ztt9Evt9D1nju3rYkxRxa-zXuc

With exception for those with a medical excuse.

I hadn't planned on attending any conventions this year due to just this. I'll probably have to skip any X-Wing miniatures events being held at a convention that requires vaccinations.

*Edit* Ok, I can't edit the title. They do accept the Johnson and Johnson vaccination, which is not an mRNA vaccine.

Haven't been to a con myself since A-KON 20. Stuff like this? Really makes going to cons not worth it.

But oh well. They want to make themselves irrelevant out of beer bug paranoia, that's on them.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #80 on: June 09, 2021, 03:54:41 PM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

   Those were not the people dying.......not sure of your point....

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #81 on: June 09, 2021, 04:45:08 PM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

   Those were not the people dying.......not sure of your point....

My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

Notice how I pointed out how the doctors rushed to ready the trenches as soon as they saw A) happening. Few people bothered to listen to them. Doctors, however, must act on facts (or at least what is understood to reasonably be facts), not delusions. If my distant cousin didn't lie, even with such preparations they stemmed the tide just barely.

I want to be clear: this is nothing new. The most infamous superspreader event in the 1918 wave of the Spanish Flu was the "Liberty Loan Parade" held in Philadelphia on Sept. 28th, 1918. By then the diffusion of the Spanish Flu was already so widespread that the Army had canceled the next scheduled draft call. Doctors implored the authorities to stop the parade: no one listened. Others pleaded the newspapers to warn the population about the viral bomb that was about to explode: no one printed a single line. Why they should have? The parade promoted the war effort (chest beating, rah rah!), talking about the flu was "against the morale" (the then expression for "unpatriotic"). After two days, people in Philadelphia (and all the other cities people came from) started to collapse in the streets. Maybe the chest beating didn't help - the data is unclear here. Anyway, as a parade "Pro War Effort", the Philadelphia Superspreader Event was a great success, all right, but pro the effort of the virus, not of the soldiers.

[By comparing these two pandemics, BTW, a curious side note emerges. Even if in the mid 1970s they discovered the vaccine against meningitis and almost everyone got it, the average stupidity level in any given population, if analysed as part of the overall reaction to a pandemic, doesn't seem to be decreased between 1918 and 2021. Dunno... maybe this can be an useful data point among vaccine skeptics.]

Conventions? No thanks. Next year they will still be there. OK, maybe with less people...
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #82 on: June 09, 2021, 05:37:50 PM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

   Those were not the people dying.......not sure of your point....

My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

Then why did you post a picture of people who we're not sure ever got Covid, much less died of it, to illustrate a point about the people who did die?
Were the people who died all fatasses? Did they have other comorbidities? Did the virus "weed out" the fatties from the rest?

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #83 on: June 09, 2021, 05:44:13 PM »
My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

I remember there were super spreader soccer games in Italy vs Spain which spread the virus throughout Europe.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #84 on: June 09, 2021, 06:28:17 PM »
My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

I remember there were super spreader soccer games in Italy vs Spain which spread the virus throughout Europe.

True. Atalanta (the Bergamo soccer team) vs. Valencia was held in Milan on Feb. 19th 2021 and today is officially considered a superspreader event for COVID (the authorities used the term "A viral bomb"). Shortly thereafter Bergamo and its province became one of the hardest hit areas in the planet. That it was a novel virus and no one had the means to totally comprehend the situation didn't help.

That event also became the first opportunity to try study how the virus spreaded. The authorities directly interviewed 3.400 Atalanta supporters who were present at the match, and did a statistical analysis of where the other tickets were sold in the province (more than 50,000). The result showed with no doubts a direct correlation between the match and the spreading of COVID in the Bergamo area. However, statistical contact tracing showed how the "superspreader" part was not the match itself, but the close contact in trains, pullmans, cars and even Milan's metro. Add to this chanting - and then more chanting when Atalanta won, including extemporary "parties" held in bar and pubs.

Valencia was hit hard, too. For some reason Spanish authorities didn't launch the kind of analysis of the event that we did here in Italy, but from there COVID quickly reached Madrid and Barcelona (that were being hit from a lot of fronts, however). I read that in Valencia they did one of the longest lockdowns in Europe and today they are basically COVID-free.

It was winter, the match was held in Milan due to a momentary problem with the Atalanta stadium in Bergamo (no need to fill trains etc. otherwise)... and, ironically, the victory of Atalanta - truly a perfect storm.  :-[

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #85 on: June 09, 2021, 06:35:13 PM »
We could do a death pool. Guess what percentage of GenConners will die from covid! Winner gets bragging rights.

I'm more optimistic than Reckall, so I'm going to guess that only 99.9999% of them will die of concorona.

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« Reply #86 on: June 09, 2021, 07:33:12 PM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

   Those were not the people dying.......not sure of your point....

My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

Then why did you post a picture of people who we're not sure ever got Covid, much less died of it, to illustrate a point about the people who did die?

That its a picture from what is considered a superspreader event: Spring Break in Florida 2020. There are thousands of them. Should I post all of them? Because for the overall effect I linked a video that traced the impact of these idiots on COVID's spread via anonymous cellphone data - and it is chilling.

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Were the people who died all fatasses? Did they have other comorbidities? Did the virus "weed out" the fatties from the rest?

I'm sorry that a fat guy bit you when you were a kid. I hope that you will be able to recover.

Regarding the rest, true, the virus was more deadly for the elderly and those with comorbidities. These include diabetes, cancer, neurological disorders... what should we do? Put these people in camps so that people can party on the beach amid a pandemic?

Florida got the third-highest confirmed case count and the fourth-highest death count in the States. Well, congratulations! but... Are all of them "fatties"?

And it doesn't stop here. In early March, 2020 Florida Governor Ron DeSantis touted the State as "An oasis of freedom in a nation that’s suffering, in many parts of the country, under the yoke of oppressive lockdowns." Yay!!!! Shortly thereafter the "oasis" become an hotzone. During the months of June, July, and August 2020, the number of COVID cases in Florida increased over eleven-fold, from 56,830 on Jun. 1st to 631,040 on Sept. 1st. These are public data, easily obtainable. When this happens the ICUs become filled and the doctors are overwhelmed. This also means that a doctor called in a COVID ward in an "all hands emergency" will not be available to help a woman giving birth, or set a broken bone (maybe yours), or help a child hit by a car, or do your colonoscopy. The impact on healthcare services is much more vast that straight "COVID cases" alone (I'm always amazed by how many people fail to realise this: how they returned home with a badly set bone because upstream some imbecile wanted his Spring Break).

Then maybe you are young and you do not die. But you bring the virus home (maybe in a different State) and others will die. And "not dying" doesn't mean "not catching it". If you are unlucky you become a financial burden for your family in times of economic downturn. And young people aren't immune to "long COVID" - good luck if you catch some strange strain that stays with you for six months or more.

But non-"fatties" had their Superspreader Spring Break and this is what really counts. So, horaaay! Right?

[DeSantis, always the patriot, would pull another stunt in late September, when he issued an order that effectively nullified public health measures imposed by various local governments in Florida to combat the spread of the virus - thus causing another peak in cases. Pro tip: it would seem that DeSantis didn't wise up between March and September. Not even a pandemic helped the poor guy! But, as I said, average stupidity doesn't seem to have declined in the last hundred years, so... Again, nothing really new here.]

[whine]My body is mine and I decide for it!!1[/whine] So, when you plan to start your campaign to abolish laws against DUIing? Or wearing helmets in building sites, for what matters?

4% of World population, 25% of deaths. And still a lot of people refuse to just stop and simply ask: "How comes?" But I digressed a lot and the Pundit is coming with his banhammer, so... You are slim? Choose your convention(s), play some RPGs (remember: closed spaces, no masks and scream a lot) and have fun!  :D
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #87 on: June 09, 2021, 09:20:03 PM »
   Well, a country that is also probably better than most at keeping people alive with advanced illnesses like heart disease, cancer, and lung issues, (at least till they are hit with another hammer in the form of Covid) as well as a disproportionate population of fat people.   It seems to me the go to public health message should be get your fat ass in shape.

I don't see many fat asses here:



That's Spring Break in Florida 2020. They actually tracked the impact of such behaviour on COVID spread using anonymous data from cellphones.

https://twitter.com/TectonixGEO/status/1242628347034767361

As I already mentioned, a distant cousin of mine is a bigwig in General Obstetrics and Gynecology at the Cleveland Clinic in Weston, Florida. When they saw what was happening on the beaches they got the order to prepare for an "all hands on deck" emergency within 5-10 days - no matter what your specialisation was.

When I called her, to check how she was faring, the most chilling thing he told me wasn't her experience in a COVID ward that bordered on madness (some nurses and even doctors developed PTSD and were sent home - that was how bad it was).

No, the most chilling thing were these people, dying from COVID, who implored "Do some more research! Look for other causes! COVID doesn't exist!"

...And after twelve hours they were dead, thus making space for the new arrivals.

Virii don't care about beliefs, political, religious, sexual or what else. Virii are the most uncaring entities on Earth. They are also unexpectedly easy to understand - if one wants to make the effort.

True, the situation is better today, but, as my late uncle used to say, "Don't start to salute before crossing the finish line". Conventions? Yeah, they are great, but my life doesn't depend on them. Maybe next year (or in late Autumn, like Lucca Comics and Games at the end of October).

   Those were not the people dying.......not sure of your point....

My point is A) a superspreader event caused by denial, and B) people victim (either directly or indirectly) still in denial while actually on their deathbeds. The denial is strong in some.

Then why did you post a picture of people who we're not sure ever got Covid, much less died of it, to illustrate a point about the people who did die?


That its a picture from what is considered a superspreader event: Spring Break in Florida 2020. There are thousands of them. Should I post all of them? Because for the overall effect I linked a video that traced the impact of these idiots on COVID's spread via anonymous cellphone data - and it is chilling.
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No. I'd be fine if you posted pictures of the people there who died of Covid. The question was, did they have comorbities. You posted that picture as... shit I dunno now. For funzies? It doesn't make any sense, much less a point.

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Were the people who died all fatasses? Did they have other comorbidities? Did the virus "weed out" the fatties from the rest?

I'm sorry that a fat guy bit you when you were a kid. I hope that you will be able to recover.

I am overweight myself. I just don't feel like mincing words.

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Regarding the rest, true, the virus was more deadly for the elderly and those with comorbidities. These include diabetes, cancer, neurological disorders... what should we do? Put these people in camps so that people can party on the beach amid a pandemic?

People at risk should take what precautions they deem prudent. What do you want? For us to cage all young people so they don't attend any superspreader events?
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #88 on: June 10, 2021, 07:52:21 AM »
When I see Spring Break called a "super spreader" but the sasme news outlets calling BLM a non threat, My mind screams out BS one way or the other.

Maybe all the burning buildings killed off the virus?

The bottom line re: conventions:

1. If you're scared of the virus, stay home.

2. conventions should put a disclaimer stating you attend the convention at your own risk.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #89 on: June 10, 2021, 07:57:11 AM »
I would also like to note that the so-called 'whistleblower' for Florida, Rebecca Jones, turned out to be a grifter and nutter with a long history of weird behavior.

Kinda goes to credibility.