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Author Topic: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination  (Read 3760 times)

Wntrlnd

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #30 on: June 07, 2021, 02:02:40 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #31 on: June 07, 2021, 02:07:10 PM »
The idea of going anywhere makes me tired.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #32 on: June 07, 2021, 02:15:08 PM »
If you read Dr. Anthony Fauci's emails, he argues that C-19 is a significant threat to people 70+ with preexisting comorbidities, but is actually less dangerous than the seasonal flu for most demographics. Anyone treating this as anything more than what it is -- a flu -- is not aligned with the science.

You are exactly correct.

My Wife worked as a RN Care Coordinator for COVID patients for nearly a year working in the hardest hit city and surrounding areas for the biggest Health provider in the region. Working from home I was able to listen to her  nearly 9 hours a day speaking with other RNs, DR;s, NPs, etc as well as speaking with COVID patients and the patients families.

The whole thing was completely blown out of proportion, and ANY death, despite it's root cause (Cancers, Heart attacks, any previous condition) was tagged as a COVID 19 death if possible  for purposes of stats, and Health insurance claims (My background). MEdicare/MEdicaid  pays out significantly more money for a COVID death, and due to the complete shutdown of most  non emergency procedures, the Hospital systems were losing money hand over fist.

On the subject of the Vax. I got mine, solely because I have not seen my elderly mother (90 this year), in 3 years and it was a condition of me travelling back home to visit her in VA ( Condition set by Her, and my Siblings). As I'm fearful I won't see her before her time is up on this earth,  so I gave in. My reactions have been somewhat worse than average (And I have no allergies, or reactions to other meds, flu shots, etc). Today- a week after my 2nd dose, I've developed a big raised patch about 4 inches in diameter at the injection site. Feels like my arm is on fire. Of course I've got my own RN here, so we are keeping tabs on it  ;D 

And I guess now people I know will be more open to gaming in person again, so that is a positive, but...blech.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #33 on: June 07, 2021, 02:42:35 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be. Taking precautions seems pretty understandable. Especially at cons where theres alot of people concentrated. That is going to exponentially increase the chances something going bad or really bad for someone attending.

A group locally last week met up. They all had been vaccinated but still makes me uneasy so soon.

A lot of people in the U.S. continued to live their lives with as much normality as possible.  I worked full time, all the way through the whole mess; and I had a letter stating that I was an essential worker.  Might as well sit down, throw dice, and play RPGs too!!!
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #34 on: June 07, 2021, 02:49:19 PM »
I want to see your bank records to make sure you haven't spent money on anything that my be socially destructive.  Oh, and I get to define what that is.  Fuck off with that noise!

Try to enter the UK in this "after Brexit" world, and you will find just that.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2021/may/27/eu-tourists-condemn-uk-border-officials-humiliating-treatment



No more Conventions or trips in UK for me after this.
I hate to be a dick about this, Reckall, but the UK has a point here.

'Sergio' (assuming that's his real name) has no employment, limited funds, and has no return transit (plane, train, or automobile) secured. I'd be awfully suspicious too.

Maybe, except that the situation is going out of control. What about 'Antonio', here?

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2020/feb/17/italian-man-95-resident-in-uk-for-68-years-told-to-prove-it

"He was welcomed with one week’s advance wages and a sandwich when he arrived at Folkestone harbour, but almost 70 years later says he has been forced to supply 80 pages of bank statements to prove his right to stay in the UK."

And if I put Italians first is because, obviously, it was the first echo to reach these shores, but all the EU, no matter how lecit their entrance is, is being thrown in the local Guantanamo for reasons out of "Catch 22" or Kafka:

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/may/13/eu-citizens-arriving-in-uk-being-locked-up-and-expelled

I'm not saying that the British are "evil" - far from it. But it would seem that they were stunningly unprepared for what happened after Brexit, had no comprehensive dialogue about immigration laws involving all the concerned parts and, from what I can surmise, underestimated the problem of non-digitized data. If you are not on a computer but in some dusty folder you do not exist - something, BTW, that hits elder people first, of course.

Thanks, but, no, thanks. I worked for three years in London back in the '90s and I never liked it. I'll miss some Conventions at the ExCeL Center, but amen to that. After the COVID, Paris will be just fine.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #35 on: June 07, 2021, 03:15:01 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #36 on: June 07, 2021, 04:12:53 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

The seasonal flu is not a novel virus. We have established vaccines and treatments for it. The Spanish flu killed up to 50 million. The Asian and Hong Kong flus killed about 1 million each.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #37 on: June 07, 2021, 05:05:24 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.
How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #38 on: June 07, 2021, 06:20:01 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #39 on: June 07, 2021, 06:21:35 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.

  You might want to check those Fauci emails, masks do jack shit to stop spread of viruses at gaming conventions.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #40 on: June 07, 2021, 06:27:21 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

The seasonal flu is not a novel virus. We have established vaccines and treatments for it. The Spanish flu killed up to 50 million. The Asian and Hong Kong flus killed about 1 million each.

And since the reproduction (R0) rate of the Hong Kong flu was 1.8, you can see why the Covid is worse, if the fact that we are up to 3.75 Million dead so far isnt evidence enough.

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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #41 on: June 07, 2021, 06:33:28 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.

  You might want to check those Fauci emails, masks do jack shit to stop spread of viruses at gaming conventions.

I will agree that keeping distance to other people are way superior than any masks. Also, not speaking to other people, or shouting. Going round and hugging or touching people are way off. So for the purpose of conventions, just masks wont cut it.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #42 on: June 07, 2021, 06:54:03 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

The seasonal flu is not a novel virus. We have established vaccines and treatments for it. The Spanish flu killed up to 50 million. The Asian and Hong Kong flus killed about 1 million each.

And since the reproduction (R0) rate of the Hong Kong flu was 1.8, you can see why the Covid is worse, if the fact that we are up to 3.75 Million dead so far isnt evidence enough.

You defined it as "insanely" worse. I'm still failing to see you quanitfy "insane" compared to other viral outbreaks.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #43 on: June 07, 2021, 07:29:44 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

The seasonal flu is not a novel virus. We have established vaccines and treatments for it. The Spanish flu killed up to 50 million. The Asian and Hong Kong flus killed about 1 million each.

And since the reproduction (R0) rate of the Hong Kong flu was 1.8, you can see why the Covid is worse, if the fact that we are up to 3.75 Million dead so far isnt evidence enough.

You defined it as "insanely" worse. I'm still failing to see you quanitfy "insane" compared to other viral outbreaks.

I didnt define it as "insanely" worse. Omega did. I said "worse", which it is.
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Re: Dragonflight convention requires mRNA vaccination
« Reply #44 on: June 07, 2021, 07:37:25 PM »
Considering how insanely fast and lethal this thing can be.

How insanely fast and lethal is Covid-19?

About twice as infectious as flu (R0 of 1.3 compared to 2.9) and more than ten times as deadly. (US average deaths from flu is 40.000 /year. Covid related deaths in the US are currently at  600.000 after little more than a year.)

How many flu deaths were there in 2020?

Thanks to social distancing. Masks. Work from home and all those other "unnecessary" precautions and regulations that some people here thought was restricting their freedumbs, very few.
Most of those had no significant effect. The only factors that really seemed to make a difference were banning large gatherings (relevant to game conventions), and closing borders.