Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?

GeekyBugle · April 26, 2021, 02:26:12 AM

Quote from: matt swain on April 26, 2021, 02:20:31 AM
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Quote from: matt swain on April 26, 2021, 01:32:47 AM
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Quote from: matt swain on April 26, 2021, 12:56:26 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 26, 2021, 12:42:40 AM
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Well, in the 10 years since ep 1e was done we've seen a rise in global fascist mentality, even (espically) in the good ol' US of A, so maybe the authors wanted to take a harder line against fascism.

I'm Ok with that. My idea of dealing with fascists involves bulldozers and lots of dirt.

I feel the same way about Commies.

That's OK. I have come to accept that the right in America has been brainwashed and propagandized to the point that an all out civil war in america is unavoidable at this point and the Trump right will either destroy and crush all who refuse to bow to it or the rest of America will destroy the Trump right.

Personally I decided I'd rather my side be the one left alive after the war ends.

And what's the final solution you advocate for?

LOL, you're on the side that's willing to kill those who think different, because they think different, and the fascists are the others?

I'm for whatever it takes to stop people like this. Whatever it takes.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-twitter-today-cowboy-democrat-dead-couy-griffin-tweets-a9537016.html

You have been indoctrinated into a cult.

http://genocidewatch.net/genocide-2/8-stages-of-genocide/

Maybe you could explain to me how the willingness to stop people who are openly calling for your group to be destroyed makes one in the wrong?

Says he while openly calling for genocide... Welcome to the ignore list bud.

This Guy · April 26, 2021, 02:27:54 AM

Quote from: GeekyBugle on April 26, 2021, 02:25:19 AM
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I really like Eclipse Phase. But yeah the whole gender mattering when anyone can be whatever is stupid. Also the fact that of all of the abrahamic faiths only Islam survived in a major form is BS. As much as I am a filthy atheist I don't think Religion will ever die out hence why I think Dune makes more sense using religion than EP.

When I glanced at EP, this is pretty much what I thought.

side note:
Guys, I think I would just leave the OP alone.

For fuck's sake, HD was the one trying to be the voice of reason with him.

He is either trying to get a bunch of people banned for discussing non-gaming stuff outside of Pundit's forum or else he really is that deranged. Personally, I think getting jettisoned from TBP for not being pure enough has probably unhinged him for a bit...

Yeah, he is deranged alright. Like the other deranged loon around

Look we all know Brad has challenges but he needs our support not this kind of abuse

RPGPundit · April 26, 2021, 02:28:34 AM

What the fuck is this shit?!

You guys know better than this.

NO OFF TOPIC POLITICAL POSTS.

Geeky Bugle, Matt Swain and "This Guy", do not post in this thread anymore.

Anyone who posts a political post in this thread from here on in will be banned.

matt swain · April 26, 2021, 02:28:39 AM

less than 12 hours here, very little wheat, mostly chaff. Time to go. I've changed my email contact to a fake one and am logging out. When a guy who says he's willingto fight people who talk about wiping his kind out gets compared to a nazi i know i'm on a site that must be run by rightards or their glue eating cousins, libertardians.

Logging out, so long, smell ya later i hope not.

Ratman_tf · April 26, 2021, 03:20:10 AM

Start thread complaining about politics in gaming, spend most of the thread bullshitting about politics, then flounce.

That was fun.

Valatar · April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM

I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?

Ghostmaker · April 26, 2021, 07:57:47 AM

Matt Swain is a turd and I would not have sex with him.

Back to gaming though. I'd like to see EP's setting fiddled with so that the deranged anticap rhetoric is shown to be just that -- rhetoric from the hardcore commie factions in Firewall. No, the Planetary Consortium and the Jovians aren't saints by any stretch, but the endless rah-rah in the theme is just irritating.

BoxCrayonTales · April 26, 2021, 08:14:24 AM

This is why I prefer to dial back the robotics and transhumanism elements in any scifi setting I write. Call it retro, but I think it's more relatable that way.

I'm currently writing a setting based on d20 Future where character options include unaugmented humans, cyborgs, androids, psychics, mutants, and moreaus. It's currently intended for prose, but it should be adaptable to tabletop.

hedgehobbit · April 26, 2021, 08:17:20 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 26, 2021, 03:20:10 AM
Start thread complaining about politics in gaming, spend most of the thread bullshitting about politics, then flounce.

It's not surprising that discussing of this game devolves in to political discussion as you need to have specific political beliefs to accept the setting in the first place. Just because you can program a computer to think it's you doesn't mean you aren't dying.

Ghostmaker · April 26, 2021, 08:34:23 AM

Quote from: Valatar on April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM
I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?

You can actually see in Shadowrun where the writers realized they were gonna have a problem with that, and took steps to dial AI surveillance back via the metaplot. In SR's case, repeated issues with AIs messing with humanity were enough to convince corporations and governments that purely AI-controlled systems were a lousy idea.

While advanced tech should still be a thing in EP, any kind of AI smarter than a toaster oven should be eyed askance in the setting. It's like the writers completely missed both Warhammer 40000 and Dune when they were worldbuilding.

VisionStorm · April 26, 2021, 08:36:53 AM

Quote from: hedgehobbit on April 26, 2021, 08:17:20 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf on April 26, 2021, 03:20:10 AM
Start thread complaining about politics in gaming, spend most of the thread bullshitting about politics, then flounce.

It's not surprising that discussing of this game devolves in to political discussion as you need to have specific political beliefs to accept the setting in the first place. Just because you can program a computer to think it's you doesn't mean you aren't dying.

Nah, OP came out swinging from post one, and it wasn't even about the game, it was about the presumed politics of everyone who posts here, preemptively slapping everyone with labels and taking extremist positions while accusing everyone else of being the extremist. Then the guy started whining the moment the site owner threatens to ban everyone discussing non-gaming politics in this section of the boards, like he's the one under attack when he came in guns blazing into a new forum.

HappyDaze · April 26, 2021, 08:43:57 AM

Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: Valatar on April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM
I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?
You can actually see in Shadowrun where the writers realized they were gonna have a problem with that, and took steps to dial AI surveillance back via the metaplot. In SR's case, repeated issues with AIs messing with humanity were enough to convince corporations and governments that purely AI-controlled systems were a lousy idea.

While advanced tech should still be a thing in EP, any kind of AI smarter than a toaster oven should be eyed askance in the setting. It's like the writers completely missed both Warhammer 40000 and Dune when they were worldbuilding.

It's not just AI though. In EP, a sysop/monitor can log on for duty, make huge numbers of electronic copies of themself (of corse they have a cyberbrain so this just takes moments) and then just delete them at the end of the shift with no harm to the ego. BTW, anyone doing any hacking should always make at least three infomorph copies (even beta forks) of themself just to get the maximum "assistance" bonus to all skill checks on the system (yes, even the electronic "stealth check" is easier with multiple invaders working together rather than a single intruder).

BoxCrayonTales · April 26, 2021, 08:46:12 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 26, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: Valatar on April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM
I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?
You can actually see in Shadowrun where the writers realized they were gonna have a problem with that, and took steps to dial AI surveillance back via the metaplot. In SR's case, repeated issues with AIs messing with humanity were enough to convince corporations and governments that purely AI-controlled systems were a lousy idea.

While advanced tech should still be a thing in EP, any kind of AI smarter than a toaster oven should be eyed askance in the setting. It's like the writers completely missed both Warhammer 40000 and Dune when they were worldbuilding.
It's not just AI though. In EP, a sysop/monitor can log on for duty, make huge numbers of electronic copies of themself (of corse they have a cyberbrain so this just takes moments) and then just delete them at the end of the shift with no harm to the ego. BTW, anyone doing any hacking should always make at least three infomorph copies (even beta forks) of themself just to get the maximum "assistance" bonus to all skill checks on the system (yes, even the electronic "stealth check" is easier with multiple invaders working together rather than a single intruder).

And this is why I prefer to scale back the transhumanism. This is extremely alien stuff here.

HappyDaze · April 26, 2021, 08:52:23 AM

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 26, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on April 26, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: Valatar on April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM
I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?
You can actually see in Shadowrun where the writers realized they were gonna have a problem with that, and took steps to dial AI surveillance back via the metaplot. In SR's case, repeated issues with AIs messing with humanity were enough to convince corporations and governments that purely AI-controlled systems were a lousy idea.

While advanced tech should still be a thing in EP, any kind of AI smarter than a toaster oven should be eyed askance in the setting. It's like the writers completely missed both Warhammer 40000 and Dune when they were worldbuilding.
It's not just AI though. In EP, a sysop/monitor can log on for duty, make huge numbers of electronic copies of themself (of corse they have a cyberbrain so this just takes moments) and then just delete them at the end of the shift with no harm to the ego. BTW, anyone doing any hacking should always make at least three infomorph copies (even beta forks) of themself just to get the maximum "assistance" bonus to all skill checks on the system (yes, even the electronic "stealth check" is easier with multiple invaders working together rather than a single intruder).

And this is why I prefer to scale back the transhumanism. This is extremely alien stuff here.

I quite agree. This is an example of where the crazy-ass technology actually limits options rather than increases them. Add to this the idea that death is not an ending for anyone of importance (just reboot and reload into a backup body--and all PCs default to having such available), stealth is all but impossible, buying/selling/trading of the cool toys is inconsistent (might be hard, might be super easy--hard to tell from moment to moment), and many more issues and the entire setting becomes very hard to actually play in a way that is fun.

VisionStorm · April 26, 2021, 09:00:52 AM

Quote from: HappyDaze on April 26, 2021, 08:52:23 AM
Quote from: BoxCrayonTales on April 26, 2021, 08:46:12 AM
Quote from: HappyDaze on April 26, 2021, 08:43:57 AM
Quote from: Ghostmaker on April 26, 2021, 08:34:23 AM
Quote from: Valatar on April 26, 2021, 03:52:56 AM
I've mentioned most of my beefs with EP as a setting in other threads about it, much of the whole setup of crazed machines murdering like 95% of humanity should have led to the few survivors being super paranoid about technology and AIs but it seems to have had the completely opposite effect and nobody sweats it. But even throwaway details are bad for the setting, like I recall a mention that AI surveillance is omnipresent and routine. So... good luck ever doing anything sneaky in a setting where you're always in view of ten cameras being monitored by constantly-vigilant systems, I guess?
You can actually see in Shadowrun where the writers realized they were gonna have a problem with that, and took steps to dial AI surveillance back via the metaplot. In SR's case, repeated issues with AIs messing with humanity were enough to convince corporations and governments that purely AI-controlled systems were a lousy idea.

While advanced tech should still be a thing in EP, any kind of AI smarter than a toaster oven should be eyed askance in the setting. It's like the writers completely missed both Warhammer 40000 and Dune when they were worldbuilding.
It's not just AI though. In EP, a sysop/monitor can log on for duty, make huge numbers of electronic copies of themself (of corse they have a cyberbrain so this just takes moments) and then just delete them at the end of the shift with no harm to the ego. BTW, anyone doing any hacking should always make at least three infomorph copies (even beta forks) of themself just to get the maximum "assistance" bonus to all skill checks on the system (yes, even the electronic "stealth check" is easier with multiple invaders working together rather than a single intruder).

And this is why I prefer to scale back the transhumanism. This is extremely alien stuff here.
I quite agree. This is an example of where the crazy-ass technology actually limits options rather than increases them. Add to this the idea that death is not an ending for anyone of importance (just reboot and reload into a backup body--and all PCs default to having such available), stealth is all but impossible, buying/selling/trading of the cool toys is inconsistent (might be hard, might be super easy--hard to tell from moment to moment), and many more issues and the entire setting becomes very hard to actually play in a way that is fun.

Yeah, I don't even know WTF to do with a setting were characters can't even die and nothing has any consequences cuz everyone's backed up in a database somewhere and can make endless copies of themselves. And you can't even sell stuff half the time, cuz "post scarcity", so WTF is even anyone's motivation for even being? Where does self-improvement (one of the hallmarks of RPGs) even figure in, when everyone's just a string of code downloaded into a replicable body that can be 3D printed ad nauseam?