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Author Topic: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?  (Read 5065 times)

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #15 on: April 25, 2021, 09:32:58 PM »
I can get past the overall wokeness of First Edition by the authors. No sure how much of 2E is woke as I have the PDF and have not read it yet.

Beyond the rules which work though I found them unnecessarily complex at least with character creation. Is the authors absolute bullshit on religions. All religions did not survive the fall yet somehow Islam does. The more progressive religions cannot adapt yet the poster child religion for intolerance violence is still being worshiped and has followers. Given how religion has been disproved with a person dying and simply resleeving into another body, most religions and religious worship would either disappear or be at an all time low. When Heaven and Hell mean nothing and even someone say stuck in an older USB can be brought back in the form of a swarm of nanites or an Octopus. Yet somehow Islam "survives" the attack of the Titans and the fall of Earth.

Give me a fucking break.

I like Eclipse Phase's concept but some of the mechanics and setting are bent as fuck. The endless whining about the evuls of le capitalism get on my nerves.

This too was another thing that turned me off from the rpg. As like it or not Capitalism in one form or another would survive after the fall. Whether the authors like it or not.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #16 on: April 25, 2021, 09:40:42 PM »
I can get past the overall wokeness of First Edition by the authors. No sure how much of 2E is woke as I have the PDF and have not read it yet.

Beyond the rules which work though I found them unnecessarily complex at least with character creation. Is the authors absolute bullshit on religions. All religions did not survive the fall yet somehow Islam does. The more progressive religions cannot adapt yet the poster child religion for intolerance violence is still being worshiped and has followers. Given how religion has been disproved with a person dying and simply resleeving into another body, most religions and religious worship would either disappear or be at an all time low. When Heaven and Hell mean nothing and even someone say stuck in an older USB can be brought back in the form of a swarm of nanites or an Octopus. Yet somehow Islam "survives" the attack of the Titans and the fall of Earth.

Give me a fucking break.

I like Eclipse Phase's concept but some of the mechanics and setting are bent as fuck. The endless whining about the evuls of le capitalism get on my nerves.

This too was another thing that turned me off from the rpg. As like it or not Capitalism in one form or another would survive after the fall. Whether the authors like it or not.
The hilariously over-the-top painting of the Jovians as completely evil due to their isolationism and bioconservative tendencies also irked me. Hey guys, when you just burned your fucking house down, you're going to have trouble selling fire to your friends!

(If I ever run an EP game, there will be a plot point where radical autonomist elements are sabotaging the Jovians' Reagan habitats to prop up the notion of how terrible their lives are. I also want to play a bioconservative neo-octopus who perpetually points out that maybe, just MAYBE, transhumanity might want to be more careful since we lost our fucking planet.)

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #17 on: April 25, 2021, 09:47:01 PM »
Yeah I played it but I barely remember the skills and mechanics and shit, DM offloaded most of that onto her own game. Pretty fun playing an out-of-touch cyberpunk guy whose ideas were old-fashioned and his metal arm looked at like it was some fuckin weird nostalgia trip. Good campaign but didn't make me wanna buy the book or w/e

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #18 on: April 25, 2021, 09:47:58 PM »
Oh joy.

As somebody else here already put it, Eclipse Phase’s take on “gender” (already a nonsensical concept to begin with) is incoherent. Transhumans can change their bodies as easily as we change clothes, so a transhuman identifying as a man, women, or demiwhatever is like me identifying as a pair of socks or a computer mouse. It’s pandering to the misogynistic genderspecial trend in a way that clashes with the internal logic of the setting.

Oh, and one of the sample characters identifies as “intersex.” Intersex is an umbrella of 40+ medical conditions, some of which are potentially fatal if not treated, not a club that any narcissistic genderspecial can identify into.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #19 on: April 25, 2021, 10:28:44 PM »
Yeah I played it but I barely remember the skills and mechanics and shit, DM offloaded most of that onto her own game. Pretty fun playing an out-of-touch cyberpunk guy whose ideas were old-fashioned and his metal arm looked at like it was some fuckin weird nostalgia trip. Good campaign but didn't make me wanna buy the book or w/e

Site's pretty conservative dude, not much to tell you there, it's like a core of disgruntled rpg.net ban refugees that got pushed further right and OSR as TBP went further left/indie darlings. Just annoy enough of them they start putting you on ignore lists and you can do pretty much whatever, it's all the same dozen posting all the same shit and using all the same jokes anyway.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2021, 10:34:46 PM »
Yeah I played it but I barely remember the skills and mechanics and shit, DM offloaded most of that onto her own game. Pretty fun playing an out-of-touch cyberpunk guy whose ideas were old-fashioned and his metal arm looked at like it was some fuckin weird nostalgia trip. Good campaign but didn't make me wanna buy the book or w/e

Site's pretty conservative dude, not much to tell you there, it's like a core of disgruntled rpg.net ban refugees that got pushed further right and OSR as TBP went further left/indie darlings. Just annoy enough of them they start putting you on ignore lists and you can do pretty much whatever, it's all the same dozen posting all the same shit and using all the same jokes anyway.

Sour grapes always make the best whine.

The best part is the imbecile equating OSR with being rightwing, you can't get anymore low INT without being a vegetable, and his just a hair above that.

Friendly reminder to roll for sanity when you read his drivel.
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #21 on: April 25, 2021, 10:54:55 PM »
I can get past the overall wokeness of First Edition by the authors. No sure how much of 2E is woke as I have the PDF and have not read it yet.

Beyond the rules which work though I found them unnecessarily complex at least with character creation. Is the authors absolute bullshit on religions. All religions did not survive the fall yet somehow Islam does. The more progressive religions cannot adapt yet the poster child religion for intolerance violence is still being worshiped and has followers. Given how religion has been disproved with a person dying and simply resleeving into another body, most religions and religious worship would either disappear or be at an all time low. When Heaven and Hell mean nothing and even someone say stuck in an older USB can be brought back in the form of a swarm of nanites or an Octopus. Yet somehow Islam "survives" the attack of the Titans and the fall of Earth.

Give me a fucking break.

I like Eclipse Phase's concept but some of the mechanics and setting are bent as fuck. The endless whining about the evuls of le capitalism get on my nerves.

This too was another thing that turned me off from the rpg. As like it or not Capitalism in one form or another would survive after the fall. Whether the authors like it or not.
The hilariously over-the-top painting of the Jovians as completely evil due to their isolationism and bioconservative tendencies also irked me. Hey guys, when you just burned your fucking house down, you're going to have trouble selling fire to your friends!

(If I ever run an EP game, there will be a plot point where radical autonomist elements are sabotaging the Jovians' Reagan habitats to prop up the notion of how terrible their lives are. I also want to play a bioconservative neo-octopus who perpetually points out that maybe, just MAYBE, transhumanity might want to be more careful since we lost our fucking planet.)

Now see this post has some potential, but you did ignore some of the things the jovian junta does, like censorship, brutal repression of dissent, a total authoritarian non democratic government, slave labor, etc.

But you did bering up the junta has some ifeas that are understandable and even possibly valid so that makes this one of the best replies yet.
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #22 on: April 25, 2021, 11:05:00 PM »
Now see this post has some potential, but you did ignore some of the things the jovian junta does, like censorship, brutal repression of dissent, a total authoritarian non democratic government, slave labor, etc.
It's fiction, not reality. At some point, the authorial voice becomes so loud it's shouting, and this case they clearly decided the Jovians were bad based on the reasons Ghostmaker pointed out, and then added all the things you mentioned to "prove" it. It's a tar by association political hit piece, and it's one the more clumsy parts of the setting, like the anti-religious silliness.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #23 on: April 25, 2021, 11:06:35 PM »
Yeah I played it but I barely remember the skills and mechanics and shit, DM offloaded most of that onto her own game. Pretty fun playing an out-of-touch cyberpunk guy whose ideas were old-fashioned and his metal arm looked at like it was some fuckin weird nostalgia trip. Good campaign but didn't make me wanna buy the book or w/e

Site's pretty conservative dude, not much to tell you there, it's like a core of disgruntled rpg.net ban refugees that got pushed further right and OSR as TBP went further left/indie darlings. Just annoy enough of them they start putting you on ignore lists and you can do pretty much whatever, it's all the same dozen posting all the same shit and using all the same jokes anyway.

Sour grapes always make the best whine.

Site's a real fine vintage, lemme tell you that. Uruguayan vineyards got some good product.
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #24 on: April 25, 2021, 11:08:15 PM »
Yeah I played it but I barely remember the skills and mechanics and shit, DM offloaded most of that onto her own game. Pretty fun playing an out-of-touch cyberpunk guy whose ideas were old-fashioned and his metal arm looked at like it was some fuckin weird nostalgia trip. Good campaign but didn't make me wanna buy the book or w/e

Site's pretty conservative dude, not much to tell you there, it's like a core of disgruntled rpg.net ban refugees that got pushed further right and OSR as TBP went further left/indie darlings. Just annoy enough of them they start putting you on ignore lists and you can do pretty much whatever, it's all the same dozen posting all the same shit and using all the same jokes anyway.

Sour grapes always make the best whine.

The best part is the imbecile equating OSR with being rightwing, you can't get anymore low INT without being a vegetable, and his just a hair above that.

Friendly reminder to roll for sanity when you read his drivel.

Sumbitch ignored me but he can't help but click. Awesome to know my posts are the necronomicon for his brain. Deserves to put what little remains of his out of his misery.

Yeah I am in fact tarring you all with the same brush, no I don't give a shit about being fair to you, because why the fuck would i? There's maybe some OSR people who aren't right wing, but they sure as fuck aren't here.
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #25 on: April 25, 2021, 11:08:21 PM »
Now see this post has some potential, but you did ignore some of the things the jovian junta does, like censorship, brutal repression of dissent, a total authoritarian non democratic government, slave labor, etc.
It's fiction, not reality. At some point, the authorial voice becomes so loud it's shouting, and this case they clearly decided the Jovians were bad based on the reasons Ghostmaker pointed out, and then added all the things you mentioned to "prove" it. It's a tar by association political hit piece, and it's one the more clumsy parts of the setting, like the anti-religious silliness.
They also went out of their way in 2e to take the formerly playable Ultimates and make them into an ultra-fascist "nobody should ever want to play them so we don't give PC faction info for them" group of villains. Then they go and make some of them into "ronin" but still leave out the PC faction bits.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #26 on: April 25, 2021, 11:09:49 PM »
Now see this post has some potential, but you did ignore some of the things the jovian junta does, like censorship, brutal repression of dissent, a total authoritarian non democratic government, slave labor, etc.
It's fiction, not reality. At some point, the authorial voice becomes so loud it's shouting, and this case they clearly decided the Jovians were bad based on the reasons Ghostmaker pointed out, and then added all the things you mentioned to "prove" it. It's a tar by association political hit piece, and it's one the more clumsy parts of the setting, like the anti-religious silliness.
They also went out of their way in 2e to take the formerly playable Ultimates and make them into an ultra-fascist "nobody should ever want to play them so we don't give PC faction info for them" group of villains. Then they go and make some of them into "ronin" but still leave out the PC faction bits.

Anybody made up some stuff to correct that and put it on their forums yet. Do they even have forums to put it on?
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #27 on: April 25, 2021, 11:31:02 PM »
Well, in the 10 years since ep 1e was done we've seen a rise in global fascist mentality, even (espically) in the good ol' US of A, so maybe the authors wanted to take a harder line against fascism.

I'm Ok with that. My idea of dealing with fascists involves bulldozers and lots of dirt.
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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #28 on: April 25, 2021, 11:32:14 PM »
Well, in the 10 years since ep 1e was done we've seen a rise in global fascist mentality, even (espically) in the good ol' US of A, so maybe the authors wanted to take a harder line against fascism.

I'm Ok with that. My idea of dealing with fascists involves bulldozers and lots of dirt.

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Re: Does anyone here actually PLAY eclipse phase?
« Reply #29 on: April 25, 2021, 11:33:41 PM »
This Guy, I am incredibly left wing and I support the OSR. Painting with broad brush strokes doesn't get you anywhere and in fact makes you sound a lot like OP.
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