Do you think WOTC will keep an eye on PF2E's rollout?

Yes, as a cautionary tale of what not to do.

I actually expect early sales of PF2 to be rather decent. It will be the new hotness from Pazio after all. It will also be declared an unmitigated success.

We'll have to wait for the early enthusiasm to subside, say 2-3 years down the line, to see if it really does a 4e on Pazio. Which I believe it will.

Pazio does not have the WOTC bankroll to bail it out of costly errors, and depending how things go, 5 years down the road we could be looking at a very different Pazio.

To be honest I'm not even sure it will take that long seem to be losing a looot of subscribers at the moment as the edition changes.

Much will depend on how Pathfinder Society receives 2e. If Paizo draws significant numbers of players away from WotC's Org Play, then expect WotC to pay attention.

Also, keep an eye on the YouTube streamers. If they declare 2e to be the new hotness, then expect WotC to pay attention.

Quote from: Razor 007;1094689Do you think WOTC will keep an eye on PF2E's rollout?

Officially, no.

Unofficially, yes.

Quote from: Kevin197;1094694To be honest I'm not even sure it will take that long seem to be losing a looot of subscribers at the moment as the edition changes.

How do you know how many subscribers they have?

Honestly? Probably not anymore than they keep up with the industry as a whole. Also, 6th Edition has to be a long way off. 5e is doing to well to upset that apple cart. This thread is a good 5 years early.

Quote from: Kevin197;1094694To be honest I'm not even sure it will take that long seem to be losing a looot of subscribers at the moment as the edition changes.

Although this is anecdotal, I'm inclined to agree that the general sentiment is negative. No where NEAR as much buzz as usual. Also, way more overly-eager manic enthusiasm on the parts of the business, almost bordering on desperation.

I really like the folks at Paizo. I'm going to get the initial PDF to see how it is.

Added to say I hope it does well and PF people move over to it. I would like to see Paizo succeed.

We're less than 30 days away from the release of PF2E now.  I thought a little pre-release discussion was warranted.

Quote from: Razor 007;1094708We're less than 30 days away from the release of PF2E now.  I thought a little pre-release discussion was warranted.

No no, don't get me wrong. Not criticizing the post, just that I believe we have many years of 5e ahead of us. :-)

I've played a little bit of Pathfinder, but not too much. I've followed discussions about Pathfinder 2E but haven't read the playtest rules personally. That being said, however, my impression is that they are changing things enough that many of the 1E players may not be so happy. Remember that Pathfinder was designed originally to keep 3.5E alive and and I assume that the main Pathfinder players chose that edition because they liked 3.5E, so it seems highly likely to me that any edition change will be traumatic for those players and they will not want to switch. They didn't switch for D&D 4E and so I believe they won't want to switch for Pathfinder 2E.

I think the gap is too large to leave much bandwagoning. I would be surprised of DnD 6e coming earlier than 2022, ideally 2024. And RPG trend chasing tends to be tighter than 3+ years.

But WotC could be buffaloed into a shame spiral of suck, given how gormless the big name RPG industry is to puritan lynch mobs, so nothing's off the table.

Quote from: trechriron;1094706Also, 6th Edition has to be a long way off. 5e is doing to well to upset that apple cart. This thread is a good 5 years early.

Not really. 5e is already five years old this month; longer than any WotC era edition and about half the age of 2e, the longest lasting TSR edition.

WotC also has a pretty well established three year development cycle for new editions (3e began in 1997 and released in 2000, work on 3.5e began almost immediately and released in 2004, work on 4E began in 2006 and released in 2008, work on 5e began in 2012 and released in 2014).

Given that 2024 is D&D's 50th Anniversary and 5e would be on it's tenth anniversary by then, my prediction is that we'll see a 6e released in 2024, which means they'd be starting development no later than early 2022.

6e may not have begun development yet, but the date to start working on development is certainly on WotC's long term calander by this point, even if 5e IS selling strong right now (because with a three year development cycle you need to start while the current version is still going strong).

This doesn't mean 6e will be a radical departure from 5e. It might even just be what 2e was to 1e and be somewhat cross compatible. But even that would still need new art, probably some new prose, etc. will take time. Not to mention just reaching the decision to not do what WotC's done every previous time they've done a new edition and essentially write a brand new game will probably take extensive discussions all by itself.

Quote from: Razor 007;1094708We're less than 30 days away from the release of PF2E now.  I thought a little pre-release discussion was warranted.

I have not seen much in the way of spoilers but all of the people reporting on their 2e game experiences have been very positive.

They got rid of resonance, character creation seems pretty much the same as the playtest, wands have one spell per day plus the option to overcharge it which seems fun.  Just hope they have not tried to over balance it.

Quote from: trechriron;1094706Although this is anecdotal, I'm inclined to agree that the general sentiment is negative. No where NEAR as much buzz as usual. Also, way more overly-eager manic enthusiasm on the parts of the business, almost bordering on desperation.

I really like the folks at Paizo. I'm going to get the initial PDF to see how it is.

Added to say I hope it does well and PF people move over to it. I would like to see Paizo succeed.

Every yeard, Baizuo has managed to sell out of whatever book they bring and introduce at Gencon.  I'm predicting that they're going to be packing a bunch of PF2E back to Washington this year.

Was 2e the longest lasting edition? 1e went from 77 to 89. 2e went from 89 to 2000. Though there was some overlap between 1e and 2e, with 1e staying in print until 1990

Quote from: Razor 007;1094689Do you think WOTC will keep an eye on PF2E's rollout?

I think any D&D 6e will be delayed because of Mearls leaving WotC.