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Author Topic: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour  (Read 14729 times)

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #60 on: March 04, 2022, 11:10:21 AM »
Jeez, people.  Stop trying to explain things to Mistwell on the basis of principles; it's a foreign concept to him.  He'll state at the beginning of the thread that private companies get to police what the people who use their services do, but ask him whether a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding (or even refuse to bake for people who post things on Twitter the bakery owners don't like).  Bet you'll get spin ("there are laws... blah, blah, blah").  Because the first statement isn't a principle, it's just a post hoc rationalization to get him to the point he wants to argue.  Shakespeare was right about lawyers...

That they are like bananas? There's not a single one that's not crooked?
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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #61 on: March 04, 2022, 11:57:02 AM »
If he was less of disingenuous virtue signalling SJW he would try to grasp the concept that outside of Discord they have no business tracking what I say or do as company.

Of course because Mistwell can’t get free handjobs from similar virtue signallers he had to be his usual deluded self. It’s pointless to engage and he can take his victim martyr act to someone who cares.

Be dishonest,  disingenuous poster who refuses to debate in good faith then expect to be treated accordingly going forward.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #62 on: March 04, 2022, 01:07:36 PM »
Jeez, people.  Stop trying to explain things to Mistwell on the basis of principles; it's a foreign concept to him.  He'll state at the beginning of the thread that private companies get to police what the people who use their services do, but ask him whether a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding (or even refuse to bake for people who post things on Twitter the bakery owners don't like).  Bet you'll get spin ("there are laws... blah, blah, blah").  Because the first statement isn't a principle, it's just a post hoc rationalization to get him to the point he wants to argue.  Shakespeare was right about lawyers...

That they are like bananas? There's not a single one that's not crooked?
“First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.” - Shakespere, Henry VI

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #63 on: March 04, 2022, 01:33:30 PM »
Jeez, people.  Stop trying to explain things to Mistwell on the basis of principles; it's a foreign concept to him.  He'll state at the beginning of the thread that private companies get to police what the people who use their services do, but ask him whether a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding (or even refuse to bake for people who post things on Twitter the bakery owners don't like).  Bet you'll get spin ("there are laws... blah, blah, blah").  Because the first statement isn't a principle, it's just a post hoc rationalization to get him to the point he wants to argue.  Shakespeare was right about lawyers...

That they are like bananas? There's not a single one that's not crooked?
“First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.” - Shakespere, Henry VI

I know it's the classics but here in México we had to read Cervantes not Shakespeare in school.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #64 on: March 04, 2022, 04:44:44 PM »
Jeez, people.  Stop trying to explain things to Mistwell on the basis of principles; it's a foreign concept to him.  He'll state at the beginning of the thread that private companies get to police what the people who use their services do, but ask him whether a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding (or even refuse to bake for people who post things on Twitter the bakery owners don't like).  Bet you'll get spin ("there are laws... blah, blah, blah").  Because the first statement isn't a principle, it's just a post hoc rationalization to get him to the point he wants to argue.  Shakespeare was right about lawyers...

That they are like bananas? There's not a single one that's not crooked?
“First thing we do, let's kill all the lawyers.” - Shakespere, Henry VI

I know it's the classics but here in México we had to read Cervantes not Shakespeare in school.

This is not a bad thing. The broader your reading list, the better.  We as a western culture are becoming dumber.  Most people can't read past 50 pages. Many won't read anything without pictures (don't try to tell me it's a graphic novel - it's a fucking cartoon)...

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #65 on: March 07, 2022, 11:07:18 PM »
Besides Guilded there's another alternative (in beta for now). It's FOSS and you can selfhost.

https://itsfoss.com/revolt/

https://app.revolt.chat/login
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #66 on: March 08, 2022, 01:07:21 PM »

i don't know what "these severs" means. But no political affiliation was mentioned, nor were individual users shut down with the shut down of The Donald server, they just shut down the server.

If you want to talk about something other than The Donald sever shut down, be my guest. But stop calling me a liar for talking about The Donald server when that's what I was talking about and made that perfectly clear.

  • I made a statement that Discord was shutting down servers & users in order to stifle political speech and suppress dissent

Not quite. You said, "Discord literally banned tens of thousands of Trump supporters in December & January. This wasn't because they were "Trolls" or engaging in "Hateful behavior"".

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  • You attempted to rebut this by claiming that "The Donald" server was only banned after the January 6 demonstration, implying that the banned users must have been "bad people"
  • I correctly pointed out, this banning activity was occurring at least a month in advance of any demonstration

I pointed out The Donald server was shut down after the Capital riots, and that the reason was the overwhelming majority of the users using that server were NEW to Discord and had jumped there from the shut-down Reddit section about the same topic. This accounts for the bulk of your "tens of thousands" of users. You were being disingenuous spinning it as directed at people's long held politic views on Discord as opposed to what amounted to essentially a sudden raid from off site. And yes, while far from all Trump supporters are bad dudes, that sudden influx to The Donald server was in fact bad news.

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If your statement about The Donald server wasn't meant to rebut my prior statement, why did you bring it up? You're pretending now like this was some innocent non-sequitur. Do you often make interjections about irrelevant things?

It was meant to rebut it, with the context that most of what you were talking about was that one shut-down of that server which you're conveniently trying to spin as something else.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #67 on: March 08, 2022, 01:09:17 PM »
If he was less of disingenuous virtue signalling SJW he would try to grasp the concept that outside of Discord they have no business tracking what I say or do as company.

Of course because Mistwell can’t get free handjobs from similar virtue signallers he had to be his usual deluded self. It’s pointless to engage and he can take his victim martyr act to someone who cares.

Be dishonest,  disingenuous poster who refuses to debate in good faith then expect to be treated accordingly going forward.

LOL Oh yes, I am a SJW because I disagree with you. It couldn't be a shred of a possibility that someone other than an SJW can disagree with you, right? The world is black hats and white hats and if people disagree with you they must be wearing a black hat, right?

You're as bad as the SJW.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #68 on: March 08, 2022, 01:23:49 PM »
Banning people for being on the opposite side of the political isle is not just wrong, it’s terrifying. I only use Discord because I have no other options for those communities I frequent. I’ve had absolutely terrible experiences on Discord with shitty mods and I feel like I have to constantly walk on eggshells to avoid being banned by absurdly thin-skinned zoomers who give you permanent strikes without any warning no matter how saccharine you try to behave and side with idiots who spread dangerous medical misinformation like “televisions give you sunburns!”, which is especially frustrating because my ASD means social interactions with those filthy neurotypicals is fucking torture for me anyhow, but I don’t have a choice in the matter.

If discord was destroyed by a malware attack tomorrow, then I’d probably feel relieved. It’s one less hellscape to worry about.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #69 on: April 01, 2022, 05:10:38 PM »
I think it boils down to trust.  I don't disagree with Mistwell at all that an online service has a vested interest in booting off rampaging assholes.  We've seen the occasional rampaging asshole here, and nobody's shed any tears when Pundit booted them off.  Nobody likes rampaging assholes.  The trick is that I trust Pundit to not just go booting someone for disagreeing with him or saying something against the popular opinion of the site, but I do not trust Billy the minimum-wager Discord mod to have similar restraint or care.  Billy doesn't give a fuck, is not paid enough to give a fuck.  Bob the overpaid executive also doesn't give a fuck, and if it makes the company look better to reporters that they're 'taking a stand against -ism', Bob will see everyone to the right of Stalin kicked off in a heartbeat.  In reality that would be a stupid move, so I don't actually expect Discord to do that, but if the pros outweighed the cons from the financial side, they absolutely would do it without a second thought.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #70 on: April 01, 2022, 10:05:18 PM »
I think it boils down to trust.  I don't disagree with Mistwell at all that an online service has a vested interest in booting off rampaging assholes.  We've seen the occasional rampaging asshole here, and nobody's shed any tears when Pundit booted them off.  Nobody likes rampaging assholes.  The trick is that I trust Pundit to not just go booting someone for disagreeing with him or saying something against the popular opinion of the site, but I do not trust Billy the minimum-wager Discord mod to have similar restraint or care.  Billy doesn't give a fuck, is not paid enough to give a fuck.  Bob the overpaid executive also doesn't give a fuck, and if it makes the company look better to reporters that they're 'taking a stand against -ism', Bob will see everyone to the right of Stalin kicked off in a heartbeat.  In reality that would be a stupid move, so I don't actually expect Discord to do that, but if the pros outweighed the cons from the financial side, they absolutely would do it without a second thought.

What it really boils down to is power. Getting banned from TheRPGSite.com means nothing because this is a forum with maybe a few hundred people that shoot the shit. Getting banned from Discord removes your access to a huge range of communications used by hundreds of millions of people from personal friends, corporations, charities, religious organizations, even government.

Getting banned from a single business when there are thousands of services in a city? No big deal. Getting banned from one of the world's largest communications services? Much bigger deal. Getting banned from that same service as part of a coordinated effort among transnational gangsters to silence opposition to their cartel-like actions?

We need someone with the will to solve this kind of problem.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #71 on: April 01, 2022, 11:25:59 PM »
I think it boils down to trust.  I don't disagree with Mistwell at all that an online service has a vested interest in booting off rampaging assholes.  We've seen the occasional rampaging asshole here, and nobody's shed any tears when Pundit booted them off.  Nobody likes rampaging assholes.  The trick is that I trust Pundit to not just go booting someone for disagreeing with him or saying something against the popular opinion of the site, but I do not trust Billy the minimum-wager Discord mod to have similar restraint or care.  Billy doesn't give a fuck, is not paid enough to give a fuck.  Bob the overpaid executive also doesn't give a fuck, and if it makes the company look better to reporters that they're 'taking a stand against -ism', Bob will see everyone to the right of Stalin kicked off in a heartbeat.  In reality that would be a stupid move, so I don't actually expect Discord to do that, but if the pros outweighed the cons from the financial side, they absolutely would do it without a second thought.

It boils down to getting banned for something as vague as "hateful behaviour" and a behaviour that didn't took place on the site.

So, this would be like pundit policing your every interaction, both on and off line and to ban you for stuff he doesn't like that you didn't do on his forum.

But yoiu guys go ahead and keep on the apologetics for the authoritarian boot on your necks.
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Here is why this forum tends to be so stupid. Many people here think Joe Biden is "The Left", when he is actually Far Right and every US republican is just an idiot.

“During times of universal deceit, telling the truth becomes a revolutionary act.”

― George Orwell

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #72 on: April 01, 2022, 11:45:19 PM »
Getting banned from TheRPGSite.com means nothing because this is a forum with maybe a few hundred people that shoot the shit.

I think we can all agree the shit had it coming.
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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #73 on: April 02, 2022, 09:18:46 AM »
I think it boils down to trust.  I don't disagree with Mistwell at all that an online service has a vested interest in booting off rampaging assholes.  We've seen the occasional rampaging asshole here, and nobody's shed any tears when Pundit booted them off.  Nobody likes rampaging assholes.  The trick is that I trust Pundit to not just go booting someone for disagreeing with him or saying something against the popular opinion of the site, but I do not trust Billy the minimum-wager Discord mod to have similar restraint or care.  Billy doesn't give a fuck, is not paid enough to give a fuck.  Bob the overpaid executive also doesn't give a fuck, and if it makes the company look better to reporters that they're 'taking a stand against -ism', Bob will see everyone to the right of Stalin kicked off in a heartbeat.  In reality that would be a stupid move, so I don't actually expect Discord to do that, but if the pros outweighed the cons from the financial side, they absolutely would do it without a second thought.

What it really boils down to is power. Getting banned from TheRPGSite.com means nothing because this is a forum with maybe a few hundred people that shoot the shit. Getting banned from Discord removes your access to a huge range of communications used by hundreds of millions of people from personal friends, corporations, charities, religious organizations, even government.

Getting banned from a single business when there are thousands of services in a city? No big deal. Getting banned from one of the world's largest communications services? Much bigger deal. Getting banned from that same service as part of a coordinated effort among transnational gangsters to silence opposition to their cartel-like actions?

We need someone with the will to solve this kind of problem.

  I think Tyler Durden had the right idea.  hard to manage without killing people, though he did pull it off.

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Re: Discord to ban you for off-site "hateful" behaviour
« Reply #74 on: April 02, 2022, 02:31:28 PM »
What it really boils down to is power. Getting banned from TheRPGSite.com means nothing because this is a forum with maybe a few hundred people that shoot the shit. Getting banned from Discord removes your access to a huge range of communications used by hundreds of millions of people from personal friends, corporations, charities, religious organizations, even government.

Getting banned from a single business when there are thousands of services in a city? No big deal. Getting banned from one of the world's largest communications services? Much bigger deal. Getting banned from that same service as part of a coordinated effort among transnational gangsters to silence opposition to their cartel-like actions?

We need someone with the will to solve this kind of problem.

What do people think about the new EU Digital Markets Act? It doesn't directly address the issue of getting banned, but it is about breaking monopoly power.

https://techmonitor.ai/policy/digital-economy/digital-markets-act-eu-agrees-antitrust-rules-digital-economy

It doesn't go far enough, but at least the EU is showing more backbone in standing up to the big tech firms that the U.S. is. (This also applies earlier in their enforcing the "right to be forgotten" on big tech.)