Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
Banning Users /= shutting down the service. No lie detected. I said, and I meant, they shut down The Donald server two days after the capital riots. That is 100% accurate.

This level of dishonesty deserves a medal.

No one ever mentioned "The Donald" server.
Discord was banning servers & all users on these servers merely for political affiliation, because that affiliation was for the "wrong" political team. There was no justification for doing so and many people were banned simply for clicking on an invite link.

This action was almost certainly at the behest of elements of the US national government who observed a mass of users mobilizing to coordinate a demonstration.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 11:59:34 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2022, 03:16:55 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:30:40 AM
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Who gets to define hateful content?

You know this answer. It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using - in this case Discord. Just like it's Pundit here. There doesn't need to be some magical philosophical universal standard for good and evil to make these kinds of ordinary judgements - private companies make them for their services and always have and if people don't like it they've always been welcome to open their own service. And generally when they do, unsurprisingly they also use their own judgement to decide and it's often not too far off from everyone else's judgement. Because it's not really that fuzzy a line to spot anonymous troll on the internet being a dick to his peers for chuckles.

And you know that companies are made up of people, and those people are influenced by other people. That's why Doritos puts rainbow flags on their cheap, unhealthy snacks to appeal to the oppressed OBGLITDLRD community. That's why Youtube will ban or demonitize a video because the creator said something "hateful" like there is such a thing as biological sex.
Punishing anoymous internet trolls is the justification. Using social media as a club to enforce ideological conformity is the goal.

QuoteI mean, why is it people think the internet "isn't real life"? If people behaved like dicks to strangers in a restaurant they'd be kicked out of the restaurant but somehow because the setting is a forum like Discord those standards are bad?

Because the internet isn't real life. You don't know my real life name, or what I look like, or where I am. I can post some random crazy garbage on one account, and reply to myself with another account. Sometimes this is really useful, like when an abused person can ask for help from a community with less risk of alerting their abuser. Sometimes it's annoying when a troll flings poo on a message board. Sometimes it's downright awful, like when a pack of SJWs harass a comic creator for not being woke enough.

Quote from: Zelen on March 03, 2022, 03:31:24 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 03:10:37 PM
Banning Users /= shutting down the service. No lie detected. I said, and I meant, they shut down The Donald server two days after the capital riots. That is 100% accurate.

This level of dishonesty deserves a medal.

No one ever mentioned "The Donald" server.

*I* mentioned The Donald server. By name, so there was no confusion.

QuoteDiscord was banning servers & all users on these servers merely for political affiliation

i don't know what "these severs" means. But no political affiliation was mentioned, nor were individual users shut down with the shut down of The Donald server, they just shut down the server.

If you want to talk about something other than The Donald sever shut down, be my guest. But stop calling me a liar for talking about The Donald server when that's what I was talking about and made that perfectly clear.

Quotebecause that affiliation was for the "wrong" political team.

The Donald server was shut down for all the Reddit people who previously had planned the capital riots coming over to The Donald server for further planning after they were kicked off of Reddit.

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2022, 03:31:56 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 11:59:34 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2022, 03:16:55 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:30:40 AM
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Who gets to define hateful content?

You know this answer. It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using - in this case Discord. Just like it's Pundit here. There doesn't need to be some magical philosophical universal standard for good and evil to make these kinds of ordinary judgements - private companies make them for their services and always have and if people don't like it they've always been welcome to open their own service. And generally when they do, unsurprisingly they also use their own judgement to decide and it's often not too far off from everyone else's judgement. Because it's not really that fuzzy a line to spot anonymous troll on the internet being a dick to his peers for chuckles.

And you know that companies are made up of people, and those people are influenced by other people. That's why Doritos puts rainbow flags on their cheap, unhealthy snacks to appeal to the oppressed OBGLITDLRD community. That's why Youtube will ban or demonitize a video because the creator said something "hateful" like there is such a thing as biological sex.
Punishing anoymous internet trolls is the justification. Using social media as a club to enforce ideological conformity is the goal.

QuoteI mean, why is it people think the internet "isn't real life"? If people behaved like dicks to strangers in a restaurant they'd be kicked out of the restaurant but somehow because the setting is a forum like Discord those standards are bad?

Because the internet isn't real life. You don't know my real life name, or what I look like, or where I am. I can post some random crazy garbage on one account, and reply to myself with another account. Sometimes this is really useful, like when an abused person can ask for help from a community with less risk of alerting their abuser. Sometimes it's annoying when a troll flings poo on a message board. Sometimes it's downright awful, like when a pack of SJWs harass a comic creator for not being woke enough.

The internet is real life. I am a real person you're talking to, and you are a real person to me. It's a tad sociopathic to think because we're not standing in front of each other that somehow that makes this interaction not a real life human conversation. 

Also, some people here know my real name and life. Not everyone, and I don't publicize and ask that others don't as well, but I have direct friends who interact with me on message boards. And acquittances who I've gamed at for conventions and such. I'd game with you in fact at a con or something.

A restaurant doesn't know the real life name of the person they're kicking out for being a dick to other customers. They just see someone using their services to behave in a socially unacceptable manner and they kick them out.

And when discord sees someone behaving like an utter troll for shits and giggles, WHICH IS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THEIR KICKS AND BANS, to act like the troll is "being oppressed" is as silly as it would be to act like the patron in the restaurant being kicked out for being a dick is oppression.

It shouldn't be this controversial for me to say how about people behave less like a dick to each other. But I realize that idea doesn't go over great on any message board forum, and doubly so for this particular forum which is patronized by so many people who have been banned from other forums. Often for behaving as I just described.

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Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 02:44:14 PM

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Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?

I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days.

And you spinning what I said as me talking about puppies and rainbows and flat-out saying I am telling everyone to behave like puppies and rainbows is a common rhetorical technique for this message board these days. You know damn well that's not what I said or meant, but you played that simplistic strawman to...virtue signal to your buddies here that you're on board with the orthodoxy here.

You literally said "Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say 'How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet'" How is that not painting one side as nice, or puppies and rainbows, and the other side as dicks?

Because it's not in any way doing that? Sounds like the comment went right over your head. I am saying THERE IS NOT A SOUL HERE WHO WOULD PAT ME ON THE BACK FOR SAYING THAT.  And there isn't. That doesn't make "my side" puppies and rainbows and "your side" as dicks. I am one of the people here for f's sake! I am saying IT'S NOT SIGNALLING MY VIRTUE TO ANYONE HERE FOR ME TO SAY THAT BECAUSE NOBODY HERE WOULD VIEW ME AS VIRTUOUS FOR SAYING THAT. How is that painting anything as puppies and rainbows? I don't even think you followed your own logic there.

So you're saying that wasn't a reference to Discord policing off-site content with a disingenuous puppies & rainbow claim? That you were posting off topic material in the wrong forum?

Hmm.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:52:40 PM

QuoteIt's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient.

That is 1) yet another strawman as that's not really what he said, and 2) not the topic we're discussing but a distraction. We are in fact discussing a private company - discord - in the context of gaming. No matter how much you want to make this some generalized political discussing, it's not. We have a forum for that, and this isn't it. Are you trying to piss Pundit off, again?

QuoteYou're the one who brought it up, with "It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using", and now you're the one who wants the last word.

It's almost like you're trying to place the blame for what you did on someone else.

I did not in any way bring up President Biden or anyone aside from Discord - which was the topic. WTF are you talking about? Jesus dude, you've lost the thread. NOW I am going to bring up Biden - hey Joe, is that you posing as Pat? Cause you seem to be having a senior moment.

It is in fact a private company paying for and operating the service you're using. That has nothing to do with President Biden or anyone else.

You know, sometimes I think you get three steps ahead of yourself Pat. You assume I am talking about something i am not talking about, and then mentally you respond to that and then assume my response to that and jump to that response before you even figure out if we're even talking about the same thing to begin with.

You're not even trying to be rational, are you? You claimed it was a private company, and I pointed out private companies are coerced, and gave concrete examples. It still ties back to the original argument. You can't reasonably make the "private companies" claim because there is vast systemic pressure on them to comply.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 05:10:41 PM

The internet is real life. I am a real person you're talking to, and you are a real person to me. It's a tad sociopathic to think because we're not standing in front of each other that somehow that makes this interaction not a real life human conversation. 

They why don't you stop jumping into attack mode every time someone replies?

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 05:19:32 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 02:44:14 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:52:40 PM

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 12:28:18 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 12:05:09 PM
Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there?

I'm a fan of that.

The problem is, that's not what's happening. Framing what you're doing as puppies and rainbows, and implying (or flat-out saying) that anyone who opposes you is against puppies and rainbows, is a common rhetorical technique these days.

And you spinning what I said as me talking about puppies and rainbows and flat-out saying I am telling everyone to behave like puppies and rainbows is a common rhetorical technique for this message board these days. You know damn well that's not what I said or meant, but you played that simplistic strawman to...virtue signal to your buddies here that you're on board with the orthodoxy here.

You literally said "Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say 'How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet'" How is that not painting one side as nice, or puppies and rainbows, and the other side as dicks?

Because it's not in any way doing that? Sounds like the comment went right over your head. I am saying THERE IS NOT A SOUL HERE WHO WOULD PAT ME ON THE BACK FOR SAYING THAT.  And there isn't. That doesn't make "my side" puppies and rainbows and "your side" as dicks. I am one of the people here for f's sake! I am saying IT'S NOT SIGNALLING MY VIRTUE TO ANYONE HERE FOR ME TO SAY THAT BECAUSE NOBODY HERE WOULD VIEW ME AS VIRTUOUS FOR SAYING THAT. How is that painting anything as puppies and rainbows? I don't even think you followed your own logic there.

So you're saying that wasn't a reference to Discord policing off-site content with a disingenuous puppies & rainbow claim? That you were posting off topic material in the wrong forum?

Hmm.

Yes, and you even asking that shows me you didn't follow the conversation. Abraxus said to me, "It's just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling" to which I responded that was nonsense because who would I be signaling my virtue to here and then you jumped in.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 03:08:39 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:52:40 PM

QuoteIt's also not about private companies doing what they want, because we had the president come out and directly state they will take action against companies that don't censor speech the administration finds politically inconvenient.

That is 1) yet another strawman as that's not really what he said, and 2) not the topic we're discussing but a distraction. We are in fact discussing a private company - discord - in the context of gaming. No matter how much you want to make this some generalized political discussing, it's not. We have a forum for that, and this isn't it. Are you trying to piss Pundit off, again?

QuoteYou're the one who brought it up, with "It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using", and now you're the one who wants the last word.

It's almost like you're trying to place the blame for what you did on someone else.

I did not in any way bring up President Biden or anyone aside from Discord - which was the topic. WTF are you talking about? Jesus dude, you've lost the thread. NOW I am going to bring up Biden - hey Joe, is that you posing as Pat? Cause you seem to be having a senior moment.

It is in fact a private company paying for and operating the service you're using. That has nothing to do with President Biden or anyone else.

You know, sometimes I think you get three steps ahead of yourself Pat. You assume I am talking about something i am not talking about, and then mentally you respond to that and then assume my response to that and jump to that response before you even figure out if we're even talking about the same thing to begin with.

You're not even trying to be rational, are you? You claimed it was a private company, and I pointed out private companies are coerced, and gave concrete examples. It still ties back to the original argument. You can't reasonably make the "private companies" claim because there is vast systemic pressure on them to comply.
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Discord is not being coerced to have a hate content policy. Nobody in the Biden administration or otherwise has called Discord up to manufacture some scheme to go after GOP voters on their servers. Discord is just being Discord - this is how that company behaves. They are sick of trolls, they are sick of extremists using their servers for a bunch of non-gamer bullshit, they don't want to go down the way of 4chan, and they're creating policies which spells out their broad discretion to get rid of people who are there to make trouble.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 05:10:41 PM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2022, 03:31:56 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 11:59:34 AM

Quote from: Ratman_tf on March 03, 2022, 03:16:55 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:30:40 AM
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Who gets to define hateful content?

You know this answer. It's the private company paying for and operating the service you're using - in this case Discord. Just like it's Pundit here. There doesn't need to be some magical philosophical universal standard for good and evil to make these kinds of ordinary judgements - private companies make them for their services and always have and if people don't like it they've always been welcome to open their own service. And generally when they do, unsurprisingly they also use their own judgement to decide and it's often not too far off from everyone else's judgement. Because it's not really that fuzzy a line to spot anonymous troll on the internet being a dick to his peers for chuckles.

And you know that companies are made up of people, and those people are influenced by other people. That's why Doritos puts rainbow flags on their cheap, unhealthy snacks to appeal to the oppressed OBGLITDLRD community. That's why Youtube will ban or demonitize a video because the creator said something "hateful" like there is such a thing as biological sex.
Punishing anoymous internet trolls is the justification. Using social media as a club to enforce ideological conformity is the goal.

QuoteI mean, why is it people think the internet "isn't real life"? If people behaved like dicks to strangers in a restaurant they'd be kicked out of the restaurant but somehow because the setting is a forum like Discord those standards are bad?

Because the internet isn't real life. You don't know my real life name, or what I look like, or where I am. I can post some random crazy garbage on one account, and reply to myself with another account. Sometimes this is really useful, like when an abused person can ask for help from a community with less risk of alerting their abuser. Sometimes it's annoying when a troll flings poo on a message board. Sometimes it's downright awful, like when a pack of SJWs harass a comic creator for not being woke enough.

The internet is real life. I am a real person you're talking to, and you are a real person to me. It's a tad sociopathic to think because we're not standing in front of each other that somehow that makes this interaction not a real life human conversation. 

You know what I mean. Online interactions have a layer of anonymity and pretense that makes it very different from face to face communication.

QuoteAlso, some people here know my real name and life. Not everyone, and I don't publicize and ask that others don't as well, but I have direct friends who interact with me on message boards. And acquittances who I've gamed at for conventions and such. I'd game with you in fact at a con or something.

A restaurant doesn't know the real life name of the person they're kicking out for being a dick to other customers. They just see someone using their services to behave in a socially unacceptable manner and they kick them out.

And when discord sees someone behaving like an utter troll for shits and giggles, WHICH IS THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF THEIR KICKS AND BANS, to act like the troll is "being oppressed" is as silly as it would be to act like the patron in the restaurant being kicked out for being a dick is oppression.

It shouldn't be this controversial for me to say how about people behave less like a dick to each other. But I realize that idea doesn't go over great on any message board forum, and doubly so for this particular forum which is patronized by so many people who have been banned from other forums. Often for behaving as I just described.

The whole point of this thread is that Discord wants to ban people for off site behavior. They don't just want to police their own servers, they want to police individuals.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 05:03:48 PM

i don't know what "these severs" means. But no political affiliation was mentioned, nor were individual users shut down with the shut down of The Donald server, they just shut down the server.

If you want to talk about something other than The Donald sever shut down, be my guest. But stop calling me a liar for talking about The Donald server when that's what I was talking about and made that perfectly clear.

• I made a statement that Discord was shutting down servers & users in order to stifle political speech and suppress dissent
• You attempted to rebut this by claiming that "The Donald" server was only banned after the January 6 demonstration, implying that the banned users must have been "bad people"
• I correctly pointed out, this banning activity was occurring at least a month in advance of any demonstration

If your statement about The Donald server wasn't meant to rebut my prior statement, why did you bring it up? You're pretending now like this was some innocent non-sequitur. Do you often make interjections about irrelevant things?

It's extremely telling because you were clearly attempting to be misleading and yet you can't own up to it. Dishonest. A person operating in good faith would simply say, "Well, I wasn't aware of that, but I guess Discord can do some shady stuff." Instead you try to cover up a lie with another lie.

No thanks.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 05:27:21 PM
Discord is not being coerced to have a hate content policy. Nobody in the Biden administration or otherwise has called Discord up to manufacture some scheme to go after GOP voters on their servers. Discord is just being Discord - this is how that company behaves. They are sick of trolls, they are sick of extremists using their servers for a bunch of non-gamer bullshit, they don't want to go down the way of 4chan, and they're creating policies which spells out their broad discretion to get rid of people who are there to make trouble.

We have an incredibly long list of overt and covert examples of governmental coercion, pervasive and widespread evidence of indirect coercion, as well as simple common sense maxims like not biting the hand that feeds you or being polite and deferential around cops that tell us what happens when the government exerts great financial and regulatory power, and you're absolutely sure there's no coercion?

That seems to be a position that flies in the face of every available bit of evidence.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 05:27:21 PM

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 05:19:32 PM
So you're saying that wasn't a reference to Discord policing off-site content with a disingenuous puppies & rainbow claim? That you were posting off topic material in the wrong forum?

Hmm.

Yes, and you even asking that shows me you didn't follow the conversation. Abraxus said to me, "It's just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling" to which I responded that was nonsense because who would I be signaling my virtue to here and then you jumped in. trouble.

It would be really hard for me to miss that part of the conversation, because it was the first part of the same paragraph. But in the context of the sentence, it wasn't clear whether you were referring to that, or Discord. Go back and re-read it, if you care. But since you're claiming you meant it the other way, that pretty much ends this tangent.

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 12:05:09 PM

Quote from: Abraxus on March 03, 2022, 11:34:11 AM

Quote from: Pat on March 03, 2022, 09:44:01 AM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:30:40 AM
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Is this intended as a parody? Because it's really strange, on multiple levels.

It's just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling. After all why engage in an honest debate of the topic.

I always find this accusation hilarious when it's done here. WHO am I virtue signaling? Tell me? In this forum, it's YOU who is virtue signaling because in this forum it's YOUR VIEWS which are the common orthodoxy. Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there? There is no social justice crowd monitoring this site to look to see if I am behaving in a correct manner and then giving me my flowers if I tow some party line. I am a fucking island around here and there is no other end of any signal I send. You on the other hand have a horde of party faithful surrounding you. And it's me virtue signaling? Look around partner. These are your buddies.  You're the equivalent to the church lady tut tutting the misbehaving kids and getting knowing approving looks from the others around us, not me.

Greetings!

I am almost always friendly, courteous, and polite to most members here in discussions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: SHARK on March 03, 2022, 06:43:35 PM

Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 12:05:09 PM

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Quote from: Mistwell on March 03, 2022, 01:30:40 AM
It would be nice if people didn't engage in hateful content? I mean, I'm just sayin? I know I know, one person's hateful content is another's engaging conversation. Except, somehow, 95%+ of people don't have that same difficulty not engaging in hateful content and it always seems to be the same small group of people who are ejected from almost everywhere else and who admit to being dicks to their peers on a regular basis for...reasons (like "it's fun to tweak the SJWs").

Is this intended as a parody? Because it's really strange, on multiple levels.

It's just Mistwell engaging in his usual disingenuous virtue signalling. After all why engage in an honest debate of the topic.

I always find this accusation hilarious when it's done here. WHO am I virtue signaling? Tell me? In this forum, it's YOU who is virtue signaling because in this forum it's YOUR VIEWS which are the common orthodoxy. Ain't a soul here that's going to pat me on the back for daring to say "How about we not be dicks to each other on the internet" now is there? There is no social justice crowd monitoring this site to look to see if I am behaving in a correct manner and then giving me my flowers if I tow some party line. I am a fucking island around here and there is no other end of any signal I send. You on the other hand have a horde of party faithful surrounding you. And it's me virtue signaling? Look around partner. These are your buddies.  You're the equivalent to the church lady tut tutting the misbehaving kids and getting knowing approving looks from the others around us, not me.

Greetings!

I am almost always friendly, courteous, and polite to most members here in discussions.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

But what about the cocksuckers, SHARK?  They are constantly under attack and all they want to do is to suck some cock and steal everyones money.

Jeez, people.  Stop trying to explain things to Mistwell on the basis of principles; it's a foreign concept to him.  He'll state at the beginning of the thread that private companies get to police what the people who use their services do, but ask him whether a bakery should be able to refuse to bake a cake for a gay wedding (or even refuse to bake for people who post things on Twitter the bakery owners don't like).  Bet you'll get spin ("there are laws... blah, blah, blah").  Because the first statement isn't a principle, it's just a post hoc rationalization to get him to the point he wants to argue.  Shakespeare was right about lawyers...

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Just make sure to build up your social credit score, citizen, and you'll be fine!

That won't be done, on my part.  Online life isn't essential.  I promise, we can live without it.

Don't worry, they're developing government controlled digital currency to better control you.

They already control the banks and the currency, they just need to tighten the net a bit to make sure nobody can ever possibly escape.

It's necessarily, because of terrorism or hate speech, or something. Trust the benevolent all-encompassing government!

Well, the one reason I saw was "Think of the Children!".

It's in the UK, the currency would be programable, so you can give your child money but program it so he can't buy sweets.

Of course they also say both the government and your employer can programm it so YOU can't buy some stuff.

Add to that how easy would it be for them to guarantee dissenters die of hunger...