Quote from: Pat on January 19, 2022, 06:40:18 PM

Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.

Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.

The OSR is decentralized. You can co-op reddit all you want, the rest of the OSR will just shrug and go on their merry way.

So are RPG publishers. And yet here we are with every few months another one gets co-opted somehow.

All they have to do is get enough control and start dictating the conversation and sooner or larer others will fall into lock-step with them by ignorance, force, or necessity.

Well, if they are just saying 'let's all be respectful to one and other and that everyone is welcome." Then, they are going a very long winded way about it. it sounds like they are doing quite a bit of virtue signalling by using that very particular type of modern verbiage designed to appeal to those woke scold gamers.

Do you really need to break it all down and bring up very specific concepts. I think not... You just say, 'don't be a dick and everyone is welcome.' Simple, really. Unless you want to fly that flag of course.

Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.

Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.

They already tried this and it didn't work out so well. Then they created SWORD DREAM. That didn't work out so well either. Probably because the culture of the OSR is only interested in gaming as a whole, and not worried about using a gaming hobby as a platform for social justice.

With no centralized platform or control of the OSR movement, all efforts are doomed to fail, no matter how hard they try.

Well....the statement alone is unproblematic but it's reddit. And there's better places to discuss the OSR really (especially when they have such a hard on for Venger and Pundit).

Why the fuck are people still going to reddit?

Just assume it's trash and move on.

Quote from: Ravenshire on January 19, 2022, 12:30:50 PM
Here is the link to the post that is pinned to the subreddit by the mods there

https://www.reddit.com/r/osr/comments/s7bq1j/reaffirming_rosrs_support_for_diversity/

Everything goes woke eventually.

Quote from: Omega on January 19, 2022, 06:27:42 PM
Give it a year and the OSR will have been co-opted even more that it already has.

Anyone who thought this would never happen was deluding themselves. Any bastion of resistance must be infiltrated and converted to the cult.

I am cautiously optimistic. It seems the co-opting attempt actually failed, and the ideologues have been trying to slowly disengage and disavow ever since. Their problem is that old-school gaming is a category that has active players and sells books, and itch.io doesn't. For now, we are stuck in a situation where the actual split has happened years ago, the sides have gone their respective ways, but they are still linked by some nebulous word association, mostly contrary to their actual wishes.

(If the split actually happened, they would definitely try to firebomb the scene. You'd be guaranteed to see the "We had a beautiful creative OSR scene, but then chuds killed it" attack articles from the clickbait press.)

Like RPG.net (The Big Purple), I never felt there was a 'there' there with Reddit. Outside of the occasional lulz it felt very walking on eggshells, bandwagons, and groupthink. I get sent links but it keeps reminding me I really don't think I am missing out on good intercourse.

Where is the good osr discourse found?

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?

This is as good a spot as any if you want to be able to say whatever comes to mind. Most of it seems to focused on general OSR blogs or forums specializing in particular games. So for instance if you want to go in obscene levels of detail about OD&D the OD&D proboard is your best bet. Dragonsfoot used to be the spot for AD&D, IDK anymore. One of the strengths and weaknesses of the OSR has always been that it's more a nebulous thought sphere than an organism with a central nervous system.

Greetings!

Yeah, exactly, Arkansan. Nothing wrong with here, at all. This site breathes OSR.

I'm surprised mAcular Chaotic even asked such a question.

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: mAcular Chaotic on January 20, 2022, 09:53:26 AM
Where is the good osr discourse found?

I'll third here. We have fantastic designers and tinkerers here. I've seen some really great design threads, from psionics to cultural settings (without worrying about cultural appropriation being bandied about).

I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?

This is a site for discussing roleplaying games. Have fun doing so, but there is one major rule: do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming. While this site is dedicated to free speech, the following will not be tolerated: devolving a thread into unrelated political discussion, sockpuppeting (using multiple and/or bogus accounts), disrupting topics without contributing to them, and posting images that could get someone fired in the workplace (an external link is OK, but clearly mark it as Not Safe For Work, or NSFW). If you receive a warning, please take it seriously and either move on to another topic or steer the discussion back to its original RPG-related theme.

Quote from: DeadVerySoon on January 20, 2022, 12:20:59 PM
I've only recently joined this forum, and it appears as if the rules quite literally are not enforced, specifically the "no political discussions" prohibition. What's up with that?

Why do you a nooooooby even care?

Pundit will warn you if you deviate too far from RPG related politics. If you keep going you get banned.