Quote from: Mr. GC;588114So what is misunderstanding my post to mean something it clearly does not then?

It means you really need to start making coherent posts.  Perhaps getting back on the medication would help.  Sacro posting random words made more sense than your recent word salads.

Quote from: Mr. GC4th has far more broken bullshit than 3rd. It's just that even breaking the game is boring, so no one cares that Orbizards/Infinite damage loops/etc.

3.x players are only grognards if you're a SA poster. And those guys would have a field day spamming quotes from you. They'd also have one spamming quotes from the Den, but what do you expect from such a forum?

Notice I gave no mention of broken bullshit, so this observation of yours is out of context.

Is it your position that 4e DOES support deck building on the same manner that 3e did?

I don't know what an 'SA' poster is, but when 3e was launched, George Bush was president, the Towers were still standing, and T1's were pretty fast.

Time marches on, and unless you abandon 3e for the flavor of the month, you WILL eventually be a groknard. This is simply the way of things.

Quote from: mcbobbo;588146Notice I gave no mention of broken bullshit, so this observation of yours is out of context.

Is it your position that 4e DOES support deck building on the same manner that 3e did?

I don't know what an 'SA' poster is, but when 3e was launched, George Bush was president, the Towers were still standing, and T1's were pretty fast.

Time marches on, and unless you abandon 3e for the flavor of the month, you WILL eventually be a groknard. This is simply the way of things.

You called it better balanced. It isn't.

4th edition is far more about standardized builds than 3.5, due in large part to there being far fewer viable builds.

SA = Something Awful, best known for taking all manner of pre 4th edition posts particularly those that say bad things about 4th edition and put them in a massive clusterfuck thread.

Quote from: Exploderwizard;588090This is the MMO performance mentality that has infected the tabletop scene due to turdheads like this.

Exactly.

If one of these jokers ever had to try to think their way out of a situation in an Old School dungeon that required actual imagination and creativity to resolve (like White Plume Mountain, frex) without being able to rely on their CCG PowerDeck character to solve the problem by merely rolling a die without having to think they'd be reduced to tears.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588149You called it better balanced. It isn't.

4th edition is far more about standardized builds than 3.5, due in large part to there being far fewer viable builds.

SA = Something Awful, best known for taking all manner of pre 4th edition posts particularly those that say bad things about 4th edition and put them in a massive clusterfuck thread.

Notice, I never made that claim. I won't discuss it, as it is imaginary.

What I did say was they deliberately took steps away from deck building.

Do you agree or disagree with this statement?

Also, 3e was launched 5 full years before YouTube...

Quote from: Doctor Jest;588151Exactly.

If one of these jokers ever had to try to think their way out of a situation in an Old School dungeon that required actual imagination and creativity to resolve (like White Plume Mountain, frex) without being able to rely on their CCG PowerDeck character to solve the problem by merely rolling a die without having to think they'd be reduced to tears.

Your definition of imagination and creativity - guess what the DM is thinking, read his notes, or suck his cock.

Actual imagination and creativity - having the actual abilities to solve problems on your own without the DM nicely allowing you to but instead just playing the game and succeeding at it.

mcbobbo: Lolwut. 4th edition is the game where you straight up copy paste standard characters and use standard DPS rotations with the standard stats and standard races and standard powers... less about deck building? Only in the world where giant frog is considered the epitome of coherency... meaning you can convince the grogs of that easily enough, but not me.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588159mcbobbo: Lolwut. 4th edition is the game where you straight up copy paste standard characters and use standard DPS rotations with the standard stats and standard races and standard powers... less about deck building? Only in the world where giant frog is considered the epitome of coherency... meaning you can convince the grogs of that easily enough, but not me.

I don't think we're using that term in the same way. Read this, it matches my use and may help you follow :

 http://montecook.mulehill.com/line-of-sight/ivory-tower-game-design

Does 4e contain as many 'Timmy cards'?  Does it attempt to 'reward rules mastery'?

Quote from: Mr. GC;588159Your definition of imagination and creativity - guess what the DM is thinking, read his notes, or suck his cock.

Nope, nope, and nope. The fact that you believe that demonstrates your lack of imagination right there.

You made my case for me. I cited White Plume Mountain as an example. What part of that fits your assertion? Oh wait, you wouldn't know since you have no clue what the fuck you're talking about.

Of course, I am sure you speak from experience and have sucked alot of DM cocks so you have an obsession with that, but hey, that's YOUR problem.

QuoteActual imagination and creativity - having the actual abilities to solve problems on your own without the DM nicely allowing you to but instead just playing the game and succeeding at it.

No, that's what I am talking about, being able to think your way out of the problem. You are incapable of that. You have to try to win the game with your character build alone because you suck at actual play. If you need to deck build your way out of a problem, then you suck. As a player, you could be replaced by a dice roller app in actual play and no one would notice.

Put you in a situation where ingenuity is required and you'd just shrivel up and beg to suck DM cock.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588159Actual imagination and creativity - having the actual abilities to solve problems on your own without the DM nicely allowing you to but instead just playing the game and succeeding at it.

Judging by your history here, I can say with a good deal of certainty that your experience with 'success' approaches zero.

Quote from: mcbobbo;588164I don't think we're using that term in the same way. Read this, it matches my use and may help you follow :

 http://montecook.mulehill.com/line-of-sight/ivory-tower-game-design

Does 4e contain as many 'Timmy cards'?  Does it attempt to 'reward rules mastery'?

Yes, and hell fucking yes. The game becomes literally unplayable if you don't optimize everything and even if you do, you still become less effective at everything as you get stronger.

Quote from: Doctor Jest;588165Nope, nope, and nope. The fact that you believe that demonstrates your lack of imagination right there.

You made my case for me.

Of course, I am sure you speak from experience and have sucked alot of DM cocks so you have an obsession with that, but hey, that's YOUR problem.



No, that's what I am talking about, being able to think your way out of the problem. You are incapable of that. You have to try to win the game with your character build alone because you suck at actual play. If you need to deck build your way out of a problem, then you suck. As a player, you could be replaced by a dice roller app in actual play and no one would notice.

Put you in a situation where ingenuity is required and you'd just shrivel up and beg to suck DM cock.

Typical basket weaver.

Quote from: Mr. GC;588167Typical basket weaver.

 Available now from iTunes: the GC player replacement app. Use this app at your table and it is just like having GC as a player! It rolls dice and uses terms like "gimp" and "basket weaver" randomly in place of any meaningful discourse!

It's free, of course. Who'd pay for that?

Soon to be available in the GC 2.0 version, it will suck the DM's cock in any situation where actual player skill would be required!

Quote from: Doctor Jest;588165As a player, you could be replaced by a dice roller app in actual play and no one would notice.

I would guess the group could actually get things done, and there wouldn't be the incessant sobbing from the corner.  People would probably notice that.

I've been gaming since 1981.  I have never sucked a DM's cock.  I've DM'd most of that time.  I have never had my cock sucked by a player.  Man, nobody ever told me that that was a perk!

I do recall one time in 1982 or 83 (I can't recall which), where a player gave the DM a plate of turkey in return for a favorable item.  But that was because we were 10 years old, and that's the sort of stuff dumb ass kids do.  All I can say is that if that's the type of experience you have with DMs, stop playing with fucking kids.

There is a skill called Basket-weaving in FATAL. {I know this because out of morbid curiosity I had a look at the 10-page "character sheets" just a moment ago.}

Therefore, if you are a basket-weaver, you may be a character in a game of FATAL.

If male, this would apparently make you 50% likely to be a rapist. If female, it's not looking pretty.

Quote from: StormBringer;588173I would guess the group could actually get things done, and there wouldn't be the incessant sobbing from the corner.  People would probably notice that.

Technology making your life easier.