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Deadlands is retconning the Confederacy so they lost the war and aren't playable.

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Ratman_tf

#285
September 26, 2019, 03:16:44 PM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1106014This is off topic, but 99.9%.  Anyone who didn't directly oppose Hitler during his regime was guilty of all the crimes against humanities of the German people.

Is this appropriate for the RPG section of the forum?
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Libertad

#286
September 27, 2019, 02:58:43 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1106122Is this appropriate for the RPG section of the forum?

If the other trending topics in this subforum were book titles...

The Intersection Between BDSM and Tabletop Gaming.

Monte Cook and the Doctrine of Maoism.

Is Murderhobo a Slur?

Yeah, I'd say it's an entirely appropriate line of discussion for this non-political subforum.

Opaopajr

#287
September 27, 2019, 10:43:11 AM
Well, the Political Correctness Plague was Pundit's foretold 'next wave of the war' against his bete noire, "The Storytelling Swine." Now how much of that is precognition, prediction, projection, or wanton chaos magick from the bowels of Alan Moore, is up for debate. :p (I do wish it was a wizard war, tho. Then we can thrash a bitchin' speed metal accompanying soundtrack. :cool: )
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rgalex

#288
September 27, 2019, 10:45:18 AM
Quote from: Libertad;1106196If the other trending topics in this subforum were book titles...

The Intersection Between BDSM and Tabletop Gaming.

Monte Cook and the Doctrine of Maoism.

Is Murderhobo a Slur?

Yeah, I'd say it's an entirely appropriate line of discussion for this non-political subforum.

This isn't a non-political subforum though.  According to The Rules at the top of the site politics are fine so long as they are directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming.

Ratman_tf

#289
September 27, 2019, 12:58:13 PM
Quote from: rgalex;1106222This isn't a non-political subforum though.  According to The Rules at the top of the site politics are fine so long as they are directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming.

Exactly, and I'm fine with that, so long as Pundit is consistent.
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Spinachcat

#290
September 27, 2019, 10:36:52 PM
I'm not fine with it and I wish we had a Politics in Gaming subforum, but I understand RPGPundit's reasoning for keeping these threads in the main forum.

S'mon

#291
September 28, 2019, 03:26:11 AM
Quote from: Spinachcat;1106310I'm not fine with it and I wish we had a Politics in Gaming subforum, but I understand RPGPundit's reasoning for keeping these threads in the main forum.

#MeToo

Omega

#292
September 28, 2019, 12:19:19 PM
Like I said in the petition page. Having a subform would in no way stop the usual suspects from derailing threads over and over.

They'd either just keep up the off topic political spiel or shift gears back to endless derailing with storygamer derailing like before.

And as said. How are you going to keep politics out of discussing games when it is creeping progressively into games on nearly every front now? Chaosium, Paizo, WOTC, Savage Worlds, an ever growing portion of the OSR, etc ad nausium. Next will be Traveller if it hasn't been infected with this disease yet.

All that said. As others have pointed out earlier in this thread. This Deadlands background change may not be SJW fronted. It does not quite have the usual red flags. And just seems to be done for other reasons that might be for good or ill totally unrelated to being PC.

deadDMwalking

#293
September 28, 2019, 07:08:21 PM
Quote from: Omega;1106388And as said. How are you going to keep politics out of discussing games when it is creeping progressively into games on nearly every front now? Chaosium, Paizo, WOTC, Savage Worlds, an ever growing portion of the OSR, etc ad nausium. Next will be Traveller if it hasn't been infected with this disease yet.

You could just accept that producers of gaming content make what they want to make and ignore it if it doesn't appeal to you.  Decrying every new publication as proof that the SJWs have come to dominate the hobby is silly.  Just make what you want to make!  And if you don't want to put in the work to make things that appeal to you (and people like you), then accept that you're no longer relevant and don't worry about all the kids and their newfangled gaming values.
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Spinachcat

#294
September 28, 2019, 07:43:41 PM
Quote from: deadDMwalking;1106459You could just accept that producers of gaming content make what they want to make and ignore it if it doesn't appeal to you. Decrying every new publication as proof that the SJWs have come to dominate the hobby is silly.

Silent dissent is the same as silent agreement.

Closing our eyes and hoping the world will revert to sanity isn't a plan.

It's easy for you because your side of the culture war benefits from our hobby being dominated by SJWs (and publishers who appease them). If no dissent is voiced, then the SJW-RPG becomes the new norm and dissenters either accept their place and behave, or leave the hobby.


Quote from: deadDMwalking;1106459Just make what you want to make!  And if you don't want to put in the work to make things that appeal to you (and people like you), then accept that you're no longer relevant and don't worry about all the kids and their newfangled gaming values.

I fully agree! It's why I'm in playtesting on 3 different RPGs.

And by "no longer relevant", I hope everyone understands that means "NO LONGER WELCOME".


Quote from: Omega;1106388Like I said in the petition page. Having a subform would in no way stop the usual suspects from derailing threads over and over.

And you might be right. I just like the idea of the Main Forum being nonpolitical RPGing only and we could discuss the culture war in RPGing in a separate forum. But I understand your reasoning and the thinking behind Pundit's decision.


Quote from: Omega;1106388How are you going to keep politics out of discussing games when it is creeping progressively into games on nearly every front now? Chaosium, Paizo, WOTC, Savage Worlds, an ever growing portion of the OSR, etc ad nausium. Next will be Traveller if it hasn't been infected with this disease yet.

Old games are a (mostly) safe bet for nonpolitical RPG discussions.

There are numerous small publishers whose RPG products aren't political screeds shoved into games. Those publishers should be highlighted and promoted. For instance, Palladium Books.


Quote from: Omega;1106388This Deadlands background change may not be SJW fronted. It does not quite have the usual red flags. And just seems to be done for other reasons that might be for good or ill totally unrelated to being PC.

I agree, but the timing smells like the usual shit. The "big tell" will be how the new CSA post-war history and PCs are presented. As I said a dozen pages ago, CSA winning, CSA losing, CSA keeps fighting are all potentially interesting choices, its just what's done with that choice.

RPGPundit

#295
September 29, 2019, 04:28:54 AM
Quote from: Opaopajr;1106221Well, the Political Correctness Plague was Pundit's foretold 'next wave of the war' against his bete noire, "The Storytelling Swine." Now how much of that is precognition, prediction, projection, or wanton chaos magick from the bowels of Alan Moore, is up for debate. :p (I do wish it was a wizard war, tho. Then we can thrash a bitchin' speed metal accompanying soundtrack. :cool: )

That wizards war IS happening, under the surface. But the magicians on the side of Establishment are absolutely pathetic compared to the magicians on the Deplorables side.
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#296
September 29, 2019, 04:29:52 AM
Quote from: Ratman_tf;1106241Exactly, and I'm fine with that, so long as Pundit is consistent.

I did state it was off topic, which meant no one was allowed to respond to me here. If they want to start a thread about German war guilt and why it means the EU is evil, they could start that thread on the RPGPundit's forum, and I might leave it open.
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Opaopajr

#297
September 29, 2019, 05:43:47 AM
Quote from: RPGPundit;1106550That wizards war IS happening, under the surface. But the magicians on the side of Establishment are absolutely pathetic compared to the magicians on the Deplorables side.

Hot damn! :cool: Someone fire up the 'beta' for posterity, we're gonna shred! We're gonna fuckin' blow even their great grandkids' minds! This one goes out for you, Bubbles! Hit it! :cool:

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Ratman_tf

#298
September 29, 2019, 06:34:30 AM Last Edit: September 29, 2019, 06:56:50 AM by Ratman_tf
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