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D&D Unveils Full Product line

Started by Benoist, May 19, 2014, 03:10:31 PM

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crkrueger

#60
May 20, 2014, 02:27:44 PM


Dungeons, Dragons, Fighter Fighting, Wizard Wizarding.  Classic.

In the new WotC thing, Giant with weird glowing eyes, fighter standing by watching Cleric flying through the air charging the giant with magic attack.  Overdone shadows and weird lighting give it a photo effect.  They'd be better off pulling back and letting us see more of the scene.  I imagine the cleric's warcry as WFTBBQPWNAGE!!111!  Plus, the tradedress is drowned out by the colors.

DMG is better.


I think they're making a mistake going full bleed on the images, should have a border incorporating the trade dress.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

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Exploderwizard

#61
May 20, 2014, 02:34:35 PM
Quote from: Brad;750668Let's be realistic here...module prices are about the same as they've always been when you adjust for inflation. I randomly picked out a module from my bookshelf, A2 - Secret of the Slavers Stockade. 40 pages, original cover price (still on there!): $5.95. That would be around $16 in 2014 money. The DMG would be over $50 adjusted for inflation.

So, yeah, I don't want to spend $30 on a module, either, but they've always been overpriced.

Sacrosanct made a key point earlier. What's included in those 100 pages? If you are getting the 2014 equivalent to Scourge of the Slavelords then $30.00 is really a decent price. If you are getting a bloated overproduced 2014 version of just A2 then hell no its not worth it.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

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Haffrung

#62
May 20, 2014, 02:36:16 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;750646A $30.00 module?  I don't think so.

These aren't 24 or 32 page TSR-era modules we're talking about. My impression is these will be like Paizo adventure path chapters - 96 pages and covering enough content for 4-5 levels of play. So we're looking at 10-15 sessions each. That's plenty of value for $30.
 

Exploderwizard

#63
May 20, 2014, 02:42:16 PM
Quote from: Haffrung;750680These aren't 24 or 32 page TSR-era modules we're talking about. My impression is these will be like Paizo adventure path chapters - 96 pages and covering enough content for 4-5 levels of play. So we're looking at 10-15 sessions each. That's plenty of value for $30.

Heh. I clarified-see post#62.
Quote from: JonWakeGamers, as a whole, are much like primitive cavemen when confronted with a new game. Rather than \'oh, neat, what\'s this do?\', the reaction is to decide if it\'s a sex hole, then hit it with a rock.

Quote from: Old Geezer;724252At some point it seems like D&D is going to disappear up its own ass.

Quote from: Kyle Aaron;766997In the randomness of the dice lies the seed for the great oak of creativity and fun. The great virtue of the dice is that they come without boxed text.

S'mon

#64
May 20, 2014, 02:56:45 PM
The art's not terrible; I like it better than most of the 4e or (obviously) 3e cover art, anyway.

I don't have any confidence this will be a good game, but I'll probably buy the starter set and try it out. I *definitely* have no confidence in WoTC to make a decent adventure, I'd be much more likely to want to convert Paizo stuff.

jadrax

#65
May 20, 2014, 03:13:23 PM
For those interested, uncropped versions of the PG and DMG available at the artist' page here.

crkrueger

#66
May 20, 2014, 03:15:58 PM Last Edit: May 20, 2014, 03:20:49 PM by CRKrueger
Quote from: jadrax;750692For those interested, uncropped versions of the PG and DMG available at the artist' page here.

They should have taken the whole thing and done a wraparound, especially with the PHB, the tight crop just doesn't work, you can tell it's a zoom.  
Plus, with the uncropped version you can tell the fighter isn't just standing there watching in awe as the cleric leaps into the fray, the fighter just dodged a sword twice his height.
Plus, with the scenery, now you can tell it's a Fire Giant wearing a White Dragon instead of a weird dark Frost Giant.
Plus, pulled back, the trade dress now has darker color to stand out against.
Plus, pulled back, you can see the Cleric is leaping instead of flying.
Even the the "cutting edge" storygamers for all their talk of narrative, plot, and drama are fucking obsessed with the god damned rules they use. - Estar

Yes, Sean Connery\'s thumb does indeed do megadamage. - Spinachcat

Isuldur is a badass because he stopped Sauron with a broken sword, but Iluvatar is the badass because he stopped Sauron with a hobbit. -Malleus Arianorum

"Tangency Edition" D&D would have no classes or races, but 17 genders to choose from. -TristramEvans

Brad

#67
May 20, 2014, 03:31:13 PM
Quote from: Exploderwizard;750679Sacrosanct made a key point earlier. What's included in those 100 pages? If you are getting the 2014 equivalent to Scourge of the Slavelords then $30.00 is really a decent price. If you are getting a bloated overproduced 2014 version of just A2 then hell no its not worth it.

I bought Expedition to Castle Ravenloft for $40 it was absolutely worth the money, even though I had no intention of using it. 200+ pages, lots of maps and campaign ideas, plenty of NPCs, etc. If the modules are similar to that, they'll be worthwhile.

Flip a coin, I guess..?
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Skywalker

#68
May 20, 2014, 03:59:24 PM
Quote from: Dodger;750616Ditto. I bought the 4E core as PDFs and was massively underwhelmed. I'm quite happy to wait and see what the reaction is before splashing out.

Given Mearls has said that the final books are pretty close to the final playtest document, you can get a pretty good feel for what's to come without having to wait.

Quote from: Endless Flight;750623I most likely will buy the starter set, but only after I look at it in the local B&N a few times and read initial reviews. I rarely do impulse purchases any more.

I was keen on the Starter Set too after the comments about character creation yesterday. But I see that Mearls has confirmed that it will be crippleware in the last 24 hours, though its likely that character creation will be available as a free downloadable PDF :(

Quote from: Mearls"To clear up the Starter Set - it's aimed at DMs, so no PC creation in the box. But players will be able to make characters without it. For a DM running the starter set, there will be pregens to hand out. Players who want to make characters will be able to do so."

Marleycat

#69
May 20, 2014, 04:05:00 PM
Quote from: CRKrueger;750693They should have taken the whole thing and done a wraparound, especially with the PHB, the tight crop just doesn't work, you can tell it's a zoom.  
Plus, with the uncropped version you can tell the fighter isn't just standing there watching in awe as the cleric leaps into the fray, the fighter just dodged a sword twice his height.
Plus, with the scenery, now you can tell it's a Fire Giant wearing a White Dragon instead of a weird dark Frost Giant.
Plus, pulled back, the trade dress now has darker color to stand out against.
Plus, pulled back, you can see the Cleric is leaping instead of flying.

Agreed.

QuoteOriginally Posted by Mearls
"To clear up the Starter Set - it's aimed at DMs, so no PC creation in the box. But players will be able to make characters without it. For a DM running the starter set, there will be pregens to hand out. Players who want to make characters will be able to do so."
How does this make any sense?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Benoist

#70
May 20, 2014, 04:06:13 PM
It'll either be by tweaking the pregens, or having a character generator online, or some other thing like this.

I just cannot believe that WotC can fail that hard on a starter set, especially after Pathfinder did right, again. I am FLOORED.

Skywalker

#71
May 20, 2014, 04:11:09 PM
Quote from: Benoist;750723It'll either be by tweaking the pregens, or having a character generator online, or some other thing like this.

Given that they are still talking about how they can't confirm details regarding online support, my guess will be they will release a free PDF for character creation (at least). Something like the SRD or final playtest document.

Endless Flight

#72
May 20, 2014, 04:11:57 PM
To the rest of us, it's perplexing.

To Wizards of the Coast, it makes perfect sense.

Marleycat

#73
May 20, 2014, 04:15:47 PM
Quote from: Skywalker;750724Given that they are still talking about how they can't confirm details regarding online support, my guess will be they will release a free PDF for character creation (at least). Something like the SRD or final playtest document.

What is so hard about saying roll 4d6 drop 1 and arrange to taste in the box or something similar?
Don\'t mess with cats we kill wizards in one blow.;)

Skywalker

#74
May 20, 2014, 04:20:40 PM
Quote from: Marleycat;750726What is so hard about saying roll 4d6 drop 1 and arrange to taste in the box or something similar?

In the playtest document, the sections needed for character creation are 94 pages long, and there is another 58 pages of spells.

Though you can cut this down by reducing options and levels, you still need quite a bit more than "roll 4d6 drop 1 and arrange to taste in the box" for 5e (and any edition of D&D).
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