Quote from: Brad;1106216Nice rant, but it's obvious your main gripe isn't that the RPGSite has non-gaming threads, but that people you disagree with aren't silenced.

Got it in one.  It must be stressful having to give up the ability to accuse people of some 'ism and thus automatically get your way.  Come on, Brad, can't you empathize with the turmoil!

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1106228Although I think cranebump's articulation could have used some work, it hits on an important point. This forum (like every other) has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, to paint politics with a ridiculously broad brush, and to hypocritically criticize similar behavior in the outrage target of the week.

Here's another Captain Obvious observation for ya.

Everyone thinks their molehill is a mountain, and that everyone else's mountains are molehills.

Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming. It might be interesting to wade through the irony of people bitching and whining about how politics has gotten into their gaming, even as they push their own politics almost every fucking time they post. Pundit literally can't check his outrage. And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks (like many a gutless politician these days). Whining tits, every one.

I keep leaving, coming back, leaving, coming back, because there are often some good conversations here that are actually about gaming. But, especially of late, the place has devolved like the media, where the fringe crackpots are the loudest voices. The rpgsite isn't about rpgs. It's basically become another shithole, a place where too many cannot extricate themselves from their politics and simply be human beings, discussing a shared interest (and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest? Or is that just too much to stomach?). Fuck, who am I kidding -- this has been a simmering shithole from the beginning hasn't it?

Fuck it. This just isn't worth the time. You wanna waste all that energy whipping yourselves into sound and fury signifying nothing, you go right ahead. I'm gonna find some folks who want to actually discuss gaming, rather than their unending hatred of all things not perfectly in step with themselves. Life's too short, man. Some of you are way too busy wasting it by making your own hells. Hope that works out for ya. I've got better things to do than read the same, tired bullshit. Goodbye.

Bye Felipe.

Why is it so hard for people to just ignore a topic they don't like? Beats me.

I admit, I'm a little confused about the complaints (in this thread and others, notably the Confederacy one). Where exactly does it state this is a gaming-only, politics-free RPG forum?

In fact, the rule is "do not discuss political issues that aren't directly and uniquely related to the subject of the thread and about gaming." So, politics are explicitly allowed and are even stated to be so on the billboard as you walk in. The stipulation is that it can't be solely politically oriented and must be related to gaming in some way, a standard which these thread topics themselves have conformed to (some of them tenuously, to be fair). I think it should also be emphasized that Pundit can make videos containing whatever kind of content he wants, and that will color the following discussion on the forum. This should be obvious. Pundit is hardly apolitical in his opinions.

Now granted, I think Pundit as well of the rest of us do have a tendency to digress at times. Pundit is pretty good about keeping it under wraps when a thread gets out of control. I do think many of us could be better about keeping a tighter leash on ourselves with regards to our posting habits, but to wring your hands over political talk rearing its head in... er, pretty much any public forum is to me the same as begging to be locked in a closet complete with blindfold and ear plugs. Can't handle the heat, get out of the kitchen, etc. Not everything is political, but politics follow people wherever they go.

Which to be fair, cranebump has gotten out of (this) kitchen. Which kitchen he'll end up in (if any) is anyone's guess; most kitchens, in my experience, tend to have oven hoods.

And, fellas, if you want more gaming-oriented talk? Make an explicitly gaming-related thread. It's easy. If you don't want it to get political, then you know... don't make it a politically-relevant topic. Talk about Kaiju. Or how to make your NPCs more memorable. Or your favorite game supplement. Or the reliability of crossbows v. breastplate. Or how Onyx Path has run out of ideas. Or your gaming minis. Or genre spectrums. Or your favorite starter set. Oh wait, these are all actually just a sampling of threads off the first page alone...

And if you do post a topic that's even remotely politically charged, don't be shocked when conversation inevitably expands to include politics. Same thing literally anywhere else, except here one can actually tell everyone their stupid opinions that nobody agrees with without getting banned.

tl;dr lol, just, like, walk away from the screen dude lmao

Just another attempt at controlling language. It's happened before with the whole "Stop calling it the Matt Mercer effect!" thing. It shocks me how they look at something like the RPG hobby with absolute freedom and decide they still need to try and control everything about it.

Not sure I understand the complaint. This is a clearly politically-themed thread, like a lot of them are. Political controversies are easy fodder for content creators like the Pundit. (Or the the SJWs.) The thread is obviously political, just going by the title. Obviously political threads are easy to avoid. Or is cranebump saying that it's too much work to navigate to this forum and check new threads for non-political content, be disappointed and navigate elsewhere instead?

tl;dr I blame content creators for the ills of this world.

Greetings!

I don't know what Cranedump is so angry and triggered about. There are many threads here talking about RPG's and gaming. If you step into a thread that is political, it isn't difficult to move on to another thread that isn't political. I think he is triggered because members that are not SJW's haven't been brow-beaten and muzzled to his liking. That's ok, though. BIG PURPLE is waiting for more SJW's with open arms!

Semper Fidelis,

SHARK

Quote from: BoxCrayonTales;1106228Although I think cranebump's articulation could have used some work, it hits on an important point. This forum (like every other) has a tendency to make mountains out of molehills, to paint politics with a ridiculously broad brush, and to hypocritically criticize similar behavior in the outrage target of the week.

That describes literally every internet forum to have ever existed.  Full stop. If anyone thinks the RPGSite is bad, I'd have loved to have seen you reading Slashdot back in its own heyday.

Back on topic - I actually like the term muderhobo. I think it's fucking hilarious, and aptly describes a number of the games I've played in. So whoever said people engaged in murderhoboing will just not give any fucks and keep on doing it - yeah. Totally.

The first known uses of "murderhobo", at least according to geeknative.com, were over at rpg.net's forums.  Since that's now the repository of all things good and wholesome, should we assume this must be okay?

https://www.geeknative.com/64349/what-are-murder-hobos-and-where-did-the-phrase-come-from/

Quote from: cranebump;1106154Yet another post that isn't about gaming.

It's yet another post about how political / culture war nonsense is infiltrating the hobby. It's unfortunate that has become a huge issue in the hobby because the RPG hobby is at its absolute best with zero politics of any stripe.

How do you propose we end politics being shoved into gaming?

And simply obeying the Twitterati isn't an option. Nor is pretending that everything is gonna be okay if we just stay quiet.  

Quote from: cranebump;1106154And the jack-booted echo chamber is incapable of criticizing their own ranks

You are 100% welcome to criticize anyone here. Any thread you feel is an echo chamber, please feel free to post your opinions or dissent.

Hey lurkers! That goes double for you! Get in here and make your thoughts known.

Quote from: cranebump;1106154(and did you ever stop once, even once, to consider that those SJWs and you DO share a common interest?

I game with self-professed SJWs and we have LOTS of common interests which is why we STFU about politics during game time and just focus on playing the game and having a good time.

Quote from: cranebump;1106154Fuck it.

In da butt!

Quote from: cranebump;1106154Goodbye.

Translation: "see you soon"

Quote from: Antiquation!;1106244And, fellas, if you want more gaming-oriented talk? Make an explicitly gaming-related thread. It's easy. If you don't want it to get political, then you know... don't make it a politically-relevant topic. Talk about Kaiju. Or how to make your NPCs more memorable. Or your favorite game supplement. Or the reliability of crossbows v. breastplate. Or how Onyx Path has run out of ideas. Or your gaming minis. Or genre spectrums. Or your favorite starter set. Oh wait, these are all actually just a sampling of threads off the first page alone...

Looking at the threads on the front page that have over a hundred replies:
the "Get Woke, Go Broke" thread
the Deadlands thread - I dipped in, and yes, it's as political as I expected
"A new exciting product has been release for the Cypher system" - "Consent in Gaming", as political as you would expect
Monty Cook is a Maoist
Lejendary Adventures Q&A - not political, but also started over a year ago
Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy - surprisingly, not political except for S'mon taking a swipe at Humanities departments
Why does 5e suck at the exploration pillar - actually non political
The males should be stronger thread
The gnome kings thread

In fairness, I expected fewer than 2 (or 3, if you count such the slow growing Q&A thread) to be non-political. Probably the sticky post about OFF TOPIC political posts makes the point better; this forum didn't need that for the almost 5 years I've been here, until a month ago. I'm not patient enough to look through shorter threads, which do get the "it's all because of SJWs/intersectionality/whatever" posts out of left field, but it is the political threads that attract discussion; in the long run that's going to hurt the site, because you'll be replacing long term thoughtful posters with people who apparently couldn't avoid being banned by somewhere else for a whole month.

Rawma, start a gaming only topic thread, explain how you want it to be non-political in your OP and tell anyone who gets political in your thread to STFU.

There's nothing stopping the OP from chastising posters who divert from the gaming topic. Some may not listen, but I think most members here would respect the OP's demand for that particular thread and if your gaming-only thread does divert into politics, tell the posters to start their own damn thread.

But its no surprise political threads get the most posts as they are the most emotional.

Quote from: rawma;1106311Science Fiction vs Science Fantasy - surprisingly, not political except for S'mon taking a swipe at Humanities departments

! Now I have to go look up what S'mon Said...

Generally, when compared to say RPGnet, a far greater majority of the threads here tend to be political.

It's not even close really.

Whether that's a good thing or not I'll leave to others to decide - but I would note that the more politics there is, the more people who just want to talk about games go elsewhere, and the more people who are really just here to engage in the culture war appear out the woodwork.

Of course I've largely given up thinking of this site as a useful place to discuss gaming.  I just mostly come here for the same the reason I still go to rpgnet - to rubberneck at the culture war and all the latest outrages.

I do hope anyone challenged on their use of the term "murderhobo" gives any SJW the appropriate response. That being to tell them they will not have their language policed, and the challenger is welcome to go fuck themselves.