Quote from: RPGPundit on October 21, 2020, 06:13:44 AM

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 21, 2020, 03:51:28 AM
As I said elsewhere. The resulting losses are bound to get big brother Hasbro looking in and seeing how WotC is run. Hasbro doesn't take kindly to product line mismanagement. So the storm is just about to begin.

Maybe, maybe not, as I pointed out in my video.

Hasbro has in the past tightened the dogs leash. If they fuck this up enough Im pretty sure that leash will be tightened again.

Keep in mind we do not know for sure WOTC ended the deal for SJW reasons.

They have been messing with W&H on and off for years now so this may have been just another of those. This time it may backfire.

Quote from: Omega on October 21, 2020, 10:37:21 AM

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 21, 2020, 06:13:44 AM

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 21, 2020, 03:51:28 AM
As I said elsewhere. The resulting losses are bound to get big brother Hasbro looking in and seeing how WotC is run. Hasbro doesn't take kindly to product line mismanagement. So the storm is just about to begin.

Maybe, maybe not, as I pointed out in my video.

Hasbro has in the past tightened the dogs leash. If they fuck this up enough Im pretty sure that leash will be tightened again.

How has that happened in the past?  I'm not doubting you, just curious.  At the 2006(?) CES I happened to chat with a Hasbro VP on a shuttle bus, and he said they were pretty hands-off on WOTC because Hasbro management didn't have much domain knowledge in that area.   I'm wondering how that changed.

Quote from: Mishihari on October 21, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
How has that happened in the past?  I'm not doubting you, just curious.  At the 2006(?) CES I happened to chat with a Hasbro VP on a shuttle bus, and he said they were pretty hands-off on WOTC because Hasbro management didn't have much domain knowledge in that area.   I'm wondering how that changed.

   Probably the grand unfulfilled ambitions and near-collapse of D&D 4E, although that could either be offset by the success of 5E or have drawn more attention. (I still sometimes think that WotC brought in Pundit to arrange a demonic contract for the success of 5E, and that the hidden patron is now calling due his marker. )

Quote from: Ghostmaker on October 21, 2020, 08:17:17 AM

I've seen this in video games too. I find it personally enraging when the socjus brigades look at me blankly when I mention Roberta Williams.

People will also give you that look if you mention Anne Westfall.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 21, 2020, 11:07:30 AM

Quote from: Mishihari on October 21, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
How has that happened in the past?  I'm not doubting you, just curious.  At the 2006(?) CES I happened to chat with a Hasbro VP on a shuttle bus, and he said they were pretty hands-off on WOTC because Hasbro management didn't have much domain knowledge in that area.   I'm wondering how that changed.

   Probably the grand unfulfilled ambitions and near-collapse of D&D 4E, although that could either be offset by the success of 5E or have drawn more attention. (I still sometimes think that WotC brought in Pundit to arrange a demonic contract for the success of 5E, and that the hidden patron is now calling due his marker. )

The failure of 4e and the mishandling of just about every board game they tried to hand to WOTC. According to one of the designers I talked with pre-5e they got fed up enough they put WOTC on a tight budget. According to another Hasbro was ready to close the D&D line if 5e didnt work. The execs were also rather appalled at just how bad the 4e fans were. With RPGnet as the prime example after WOTCs own forum. Their antics during the 5e playtest apparently cemented that view.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 21, 2020, 11:07:30 AM


   Probably the grand unfulfilled ambitions and near-collapse of D&D 4E, although that could either be offset by the success of 5E or have drawn more attention. (I still sometimes think that WotC brought in Pundit to arrange a demonic contract for the success of 5E, and that the hidden patron is now calling due his marker. )

Pundit, have you been summoning something bigger than your head??

Quote from: Omega on October 21, 2020, 11:53:24 AMThe execs were also rather appalled at just how bad the 4e fans were. With RPGnet as the prime example after WOTCs own forum. Their antics during the 5e playtest apparently cemented that view.

I only visited WotC's forum once during the 4e era. Essentials had just been released and I was curious as to whether it might appeal to me more than 4e did. Yikes! Even by the low standards of internet forums that was a seriously disfunctional bunch. I can see why any Hasbro exec would have been appalled after taking one look.

Quote from: Omega on October 21, 2020, 11:53:24 AM
The execs were also rather appalled at just how bad the 4e fans were. With RPGnet as the prime example after WOTCs own forum. Their antics during the 5e playtest apparently cemented that view.

  There was definitely misbehavior among 4E fans during the playtest and after release, but as for RPGNet %u2026 given that they've swung full steam ahead to backing 5E (as they see it) and banned many of the 4E fans, and seeing their behavior and the attitude of the overall fanbase since the 5E launch, I'm thinking of Matthew 12:43-45.

Quote from: Brad on October 21, 2020, 10:09:09 AM
Tangentially related, as this thread seems to be focusing somewhat on "women in RPGs", what do SJWs think of someone like Paul Jaquays who now self-identifies as a trans-woman...does that retroactively make everything he ever wrote count as "by a woman", is it only things written after transitioning, or is this a Schrodinger's Penis argument where it matters what politically affiliation he supports?

'She was always secretly a woman, even if she didn't know it.'

Quote from: RPGPundit on October 21, 2020, 06:15:08 AM
Yes, quite true. Also, it was created (or at least co-created) by a woman who became very famous in the RPG hobby. Which, as I pointed out in the video, is I think one of the reasons the SJWs needed to cancel it. It destroys their narrative of "until we came along, no woman was able to survive in this toxic hobby".

So I guess it's fair to state for the sjw that "Now that we came along, no woman will be able to survive in this toxic hobby, not even the formerly tremendously successful ones."

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 21, 2020, 03:51:28 AM
As I said elsewhere. The resulting losses are bound to get big brother Hasbro looking in and seeing how WotC is run. Hasbro doesn't take kindly to product line mismanagement. So the storm is just about to begin.

I would disagree. They way major corps have been taking the knee for Burn-Loot-Murder they are still living in fear of the SJW outrage brigade.

In my opinion all these Corporations that have Ceo's/Boards that continually bow down to their SJW infiltrators are all suffering from a version of Battered Wife syndrome.

I'm still trying to figure out the best way to name it:

Battered Straight White Male syndrome?

Battered Western Civilization syndrome?

Battered White Guilt Syndrome?


Just look how many Battered women syndrome symptoms fit people/groups that continually kowtow to SJW critical theory dogma:

Quote from: When battered woman syndrome (BWS) manifests as PTSD, on October 21, 2020, 03:51:28 AM
The abused thinks that the violence was their fault.
The abused has an inability to place the responsibility for the violence elsewhere.
The abused fears for their life, and/or, the lives of loved ones whom the abuser might or has threatened to harm (e.g., children-in-common, close relatives, or friends).
The abused has an irrational belief that the abuser is omnipresent and omniscient.

First, tension builds in the relationship.
Second, the abusive partner releases tension via violence while blaming the victim for having caused the violence.
Third, the violent partner makes gestures of contrition. However, the partner does not find solutions to avoid another phase of tension building and release so the cycle repeats.
The repetition of the violence, despite the abuser's attempts to "make nice", results in the abused partner feeling at fault for not preventing a repeat cycle of violence.
However, since the victim is not at fault and the violence is internally driven by the abuser, this self-blame results in feelings of helplessness rather than empowerment.
The feeling of being both responsible for and helpless to stop the violence leads in turn to depression and passivity.
This learned depression and passivity makes it difficult for the abused partner to marshal the resources and support system needed to leave.

Yes, it's true. SJW's are literally giving people PTSD.

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 21, 2020, 06:49:12 AM
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I have my own problems with the D&D line right now. Like the fact that they are years behind in putting out new rules and character material. And instead are focusing too much on adventures.

Compared to the 3.5 and 4e eras, their output on character options in official books has been painfully slow. It makes you wonder how many people are actually writing for D&D these days.

As someone who plays lost of different systems I have never understood this particular complaint. I look at my 5e core books and see tons of options.

I was enlightened by a member of my gaming group why D&D players keep asking for more character options: They pointed out to me that for the majority of the RPG hobby, D&D5e will literally be the only game that they will play until a new edition comes out...

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 21, 2020, 10:05:22 AM
...  What's their expedition for Marion Zimmer Bradley? Or do they want to sweep her under the rug, as she was both 'on their side' and committed and abetted some truly sickening stuff?

Total memory hole. They never bring her up. She was absolutely one of them, and they are all on the record in old posts and blogs saying so.

Unless she is specifically mentioned by name, by someone willing to stir the pot, her name never comes up anymore in fantasy author discussions.

Quote from: Brad on October 21, 2020, 10:09:09 AMis this a Schrodinger's Penis argument where it matters what politically affiliation he supports?

That is simultaneously the most horrible and funniest image I've read in months.  Kudos to you, sir. 

Quote from: Darrin Kelley on October 21, 2020, 06:49:12 AM
Compared to the 3.5 and 4e eras, their output on character options in official books has been painfully slow. It makes you wonder how many people are actually writing for D&D these days.

Honestly, that's one of the reasons 5e has been so successful.  No option treadmill, with rushed product, poorly play-tested, that adds more and more unbalance to the system until it collapses.  OD&D, 1e and 2e (to a lesser extent, especially after the splats) were more about defining your character through how you played him, and less about defining your character by mechanics.  It's 3e and 4e that made "character build" (and the dreaded "optimization") a thing..  In 1e every fighter was just about mechanically the same as every other; you differentiated through magic items and roleplaying.  5e has gone back to that a little (but just a little, it's still more 3e than 1e), and it hasn't hurt it at all.

Quote from: Armchair Gamer on October 21, 2020, 11:07:30 AM

Quote from: Mishihari on October 21, 2020, 11:04:05 AM
How has that happened in the past?  I'm not doubting you, just curious.  At the 2006(?) CES I happened to chat with a Hasbro VP on a shuttle bus, and he said they were pretty hands-off on WOTC because Hasbro management didn't have much domain knowledge in that area.   I'm wondering how that changed.

   Probably the grand unfulfilled ambitions and near-collapse of D&D 4E, although that could either be offset by the success of 5E or have drawn more attention. (I still sometimes think that WotC brought in Pundit to arrange a demonic contract for the success of 5E, and that the hidden patron is now calling due his marker. )

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