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D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« on: October 21, 2020, 01:12:12 am »
The Wizards of the Coast SJWs got the new Dragonlance product line Cancelled, and now the creators of Dragonlance are suing Wizards for millions!



When a liberal like Margaret Weis is too "bigoted" to be allowed to publish, how long can the SJW dominance of pop culture last?



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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #1 on: October 21, 2020, 03:51:28 am »
As I said elsewhere. The resulting losses are bound to get big brother Hasbro looking in and seeing how WotC is run. Hasbro doesn't take kindly to product line mismanagement. So the storm is just about to begin.
 

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« Reply #2 on: October 21, 2020, 04:06:23 am »
When a liberal like Margaret Weis is too "bigoted" to be allowed to publish, how long can the SJW dominance of pop culture last?

How long? Pick one.

(a) Until all culture is destroyed and everyone kneels in fear of being "cancelled".
(b) Until the majority of people who are sick of this shit stand the fuck up and say NO.

If the silent majority exists and re-elects Trump, then maybe Option B has a chance. Otherwise, SJW demands will become the law of land, and it won't matter if that occurs formally or informally. One side of the culture war wins the most decisive battle of our lifetime in 2 weeks. Does that one battle win the entire culture war? Maybe not, but it's a huge pivot point.

Of course, this Dragonlance debacle is just a drop in the bucket, but the bucket is overflowing.

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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #3 on: October 21, 2020, 04:55:08 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.
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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #4 on: October 21, 2020, 06:13:44 am »
As I said elsewhere. The resulting losses are bound to get big brother Hasbro looking in and seeing how WotC is run. Hasbro doesn't take kindly to product line mismanagement. So the storm is just about to begin.

Maybe, maybe not, as I pointed out in my video.
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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #5 on: October 21, 2020, 06:15:08 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.

Yes, quite true. Also, it was created (or at least co-created) by a woman who became very famous in the RPG hobby. Which, as I pointed out in the video, is I think one of the reasons the SJWs needed to cancel it. It destroys their narrative of "until we came along, no woman was able to survive in this toxic hobby".
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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #6 on: October 21, 2020, 06:49:12 am »
Maybe, maybe not, as I pointed out in my video.

I did watch your video. I watch most of your videos. So yeah. I do listen.

I have my own problems with the D&D line right now. Like the fact that they are years behind in putting out new rules and character material. And instead are focusing too much on adventures.

Compared to the 3.5 and 4e eras, their output on character options in official books has been painfully slow. It makes you wonder how many people are actually writing for D&D these days.
 

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« Reply #7 on: October 21, 2020, 08:17:17 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.
Never heard that but it would make sense. There are a number of actual strong fem characters (as opposed to 'strong 'cause we say so') in DL. Kitiara was probably one of the best villainesses I've read.
Yes, quite true. Also, it was created (or at least co-created) by a woman who became very famous in the RPG hobby. Which, as I pointed out in the video, is I think one of the reasons the SJWs needed to cancel it. It destroys their narrative of "until we came along, no woman was able to survive in this toxic hobby".
I've seen this in video games too. I find it personally enraging when the socjus brigades look at me blankly when I mention Roberta Williams.

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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #8 on: October 21, 2020, 08:42:29 am »
I'm pretty sure that once the smoke clears, we're going to learn that Nic "Pedophile" Kelman killed the Dragonlance relaunch because he wanted to "clear the runway" for a pet project.

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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #9 on: October 21, 2020, 09:08:37 am »
Yes, quite true. Also, it was created (or at least co-created) by a woman who became very famous in the RPG hobby. Which, as I pointed out in the video, is I think one of the reasons the SJWs needed to cancel it. It destroys their narrative of "until we came along, no woman was able to survive in this toxic hobby".

But aren't the most powerful villains in DL also female? That could also be "problematic".

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« Reply #10 on: October 21, 2020, 09:37:33 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.
The "explanation" i heard for that was that Margaret Weis didn't "really" count since she was a TSR employee at the time, and that she didn't really create Dragonlance, TSR did, she was just the TSR employee assigned to write the novel, so since she didn't create the entire setting from scratch, and market it herself, and get the publishing contract herself, none of her achievements "really" counted.

Smelled like moving goalposts to me.

"There were no popular female fantasy authors until we came around!"
"What about Margaret Weis?"
"She doesn't count. .. "

I've heard similar "She doesn't count explanations for others, like Anne McCaffrey, "Pern doesn't count because that's science fiction, not fantasy")

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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #11 on: October 21, 2020, 09:50:29 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.
Yeah, my wife loves dragons and has often asked when I'm running another Dragonlance adventure.

Smelled like moving goalposts to me.

"There were no popular female fantasy authors until we came around!"
"What about Margaret Weis?"
"She doesn't count. .. "

I've heard similar "She doesn't count explanations for others, like Anne McCaffrey, "Pern doesn't count because that's science fiction, not fantasy")
That's kind of strange, too. Just because a person can site one example doesn't mean it's easy for everyone. Why do they need to make Margaret Weis "not count" for any reason? The fact is that not many women are game publishers, and fewer in the old days. No point in diminishing Weis' accomplishments along the way. :P
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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #12 on: October 21, 2020, 10:05:22 am »
"There were no popular female fantasy authors until we came around!"
"What about Margaret Weis?"
"She doesn't count. .. "

I've heard similar "She doesn't count explanations for others, like Anne McCaffrey, "Pern doesn't count because that's science fiction, not fantasy")

  What's their expedition for Marion Zimmer Bradley? Or do they want to sweep her under the rug, as she was both 'on their side' and committed and abetted some truly sickening stuff?

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« Reply #13 on: October 21, 2020, 10:09:09 am »
Tangentially related, as this thread seems to be focusing somewhat on "women in RPGs", what do SJWs think of someone like Paul Jaquays who now self-identifies as a trans-woman...does that retroactively make everything he ever wrote count as "by a woman", is it only things written after transitioning, or is this a Schrodinger's Penis argument where it matters what politically affiliation he supports?

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Re: D&D SJWs Cancel Dragonlance, Authors Sue Wizards
« Reply #14 on: October 21, 2020, 10:31:46 am »
One ironic thing about the whole shitstorm: Dragonlance was probably the only D&D novel series that consistently appealed to women, and had a sizeable female readership.
The "explanation" i heard for that was that Margaret Weis didn't "really" count since she was a TSR employee at the time, and that she didn't really create Dragonlance, TSR did, she was just the TSR employee assigned to write the novel, so since she didn't create the entire setting from scratch, and market it herself, and get the publishing contract herself, none of her achievements "really" counted.

Smelled like moving goalposts to me.

"There were no popular female fantasy authors until we came around!"
"What about Margaret Weis?"
"She doesn't count. .. "

I've heard similar "She doesn't count explanations for others, like Anne McCaffrey, "Pern doesn't count because that's science fiction, not fantasy")

People really say that?!!!  How about Andre Norton, Mercedes Lackey, Robin Hobb, Tanith Lee, Katherine Kurtz, Patricia McKillip, Marion Zimmer Bradley ... the list goes on.  I consider Andre Norton in particular to be one of the most influential fantasy authors of all time.  She's certainly a personal favorite.