Quote from: ostap bender;1132127you think people are crazy and just want to loot and burn or do you think that they have some real problems.

Lots of people (like yourself) believe there are real problems. Of course, that doesn't prove the problem is real, only that you watch too much CNN. They're misguided and manipulated, but perfectly entitled to protest, speak out, etc.

Other people are obviously just there to burn and loot. Most of us can tell the difference.

Quote from: Zalman;1132130Lots of people (like yourself) believe there are real problems. Of course, that doesn't prove the problem is real, only that you watch too much CNN. They're misguided and manipulated, but perfectly entitled to protest, speak out, etc.

Other people are obviously just there to burn and loot. Most of us can tell the difference.

so it is coalition of stupid and evil people? i think that you have no real world experience with what is needed to push people into this kind of action.

All CNN does is show us, cable subscribers, what's going on in real time. So there's no mistake of what's going on. CNN is doing a incredible job in covering the reality of these riots gone wrong. CNN never said it's BLM behind the looting and fires. Leftists claim it's the right wing that's encouraging violence, etc... Pathetic if you ask me. Meanwhile cities are getting ransacked by opportunists as seen in live broadcasts through CNN. Left news channels won't show you the real picture, nor the right news channels. CNN sympathizes with the Floyd family and been helping them get justice. If wasn't for CNN coverage odds are charges would never been brought forward against that bad cop. The riots need to end now! It's not CNN manipulating the crowds, let's stop with nonsense accusations, see things for what they are.

Quote from: Zalman;1132129How can anyone argue with such amazing logic?

really simply, call for the arrest of the tens of thousands of criminals in uniform, and their cohorts under the RICO provisions, like any other massive, organised criminal conspiracy.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132135so it is coalition of stupid and evil people? i think that you have no real world experience with what is needed to push people into this kind of action.

I said "manipulated and misguided". That you need to change the words in order to launch an ad hominem attack is perfectly telling. By the way, telling people they have "no real world experience" makes you sound very young and naive.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141All CNN does is show us, cable subscribers, what's going on in real time. So there's no mistake of what's going on.

Wow just wow on that one. Maybe you missed the Covington fiasco?

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141CNN never said it's BLM behind the looting and fires. Leftists claim it's the right wing that's encouraging violence, etc... Pathetic if you ask me.

Agreed, making false claims is pathetic. It's pretty obvious who's instigating the looting, and they've even admitted it themselves. (Hint, it's not BLM). That doesn't change how I personally feel about BLM, since my opinion was never based on the false notion that they're the ones rioting.

Quote from: FelixGamingX1;1132141CNN sympathizes with the Floyd family and been helping them get justice.

That's the weird part though: everyone "helping (or fighting) to get justice for Floyd. It's weird because he's already getting justice. The offenders were fired immediately, arrested two days later, and will eventually be tried by a court of law. It's a perfectly working system in action.

Quote from: Zalman;1132145I said "manipulated and misguided". That you need to change the words in order to launch an ad hominem attack is perfectly telling. By the way, telling people they have "no real world experience" makes you sound very young and naive.

nope, just survivor of a vicious civil war. and i have just clarified what you were saying: that those people can not think for themselves. you know unlike you who are not naive or manipulated but paragon of pure reason.

Quote from: Zalman;1132148Wow just wow on that one. Maybe you missed the Covington fiasco?


Agreed, making false claims is pathetic. It's pretty obvious who's instigating the looting, and they've even admitted it themselves. (Hint, it's not BLM). That doesn't change how I personally feel about BLM, since my opinion was never based on the false notion that they're the ones rioting.


That's the weird part though: everyone "helping (or fighting) to get justice for Floyd. It's weird because he's already getting justice. The offenders were fired immediately, arrested two days later, and will eventually be tried by a court of law. It's a perfectly working system in action.

those officers were prosecuted in good part because of blm and you are right twin cities moved quickly. but here we come to 30% unenmployment. this is more of a class then race division.

Quote from: ostap bender;1132127you think people are crazy and just want to loot and burn

Nothing heals racial tensions like stealing a nice cheesecake.



I think there's a section of looters who are rioting just to be crazy and want to loot and burn. There are people like that out there.

Quote from: Taggie;1132099This is a Boston Tea Party moment, peaceful protests, that have been going on for years got slammed, attacked, denigrated.  Ok, peaceful protest doesn't work, at all, that's the message that was sent, again and again, is it any wonder that some decide that if peace doesn't achieve anything violence might?

This is so different from the Boston Tea Party that it's comical to make the association.

The party was organized to protest taxes. The riots were (ostsensibly) spontaneous reaction to the media coverage of a black man being killed by the police.
The peaceful protesters have been overshadowed by the looters, and have asked them to stop. Have said that they're not helping. That they're making things worse.
And they are. Black communities are being destroyed. The media are goading them on for ratings, and there seem to be lots of people taking advantage of the situation to push their own agendas.
Not least the government is using all this as an excuse (warranted, in my opinion) to curtail freedoms.

And the punchline is this will not change anything, except maybe to get us some more security theater like the TSA after 9/11.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132157This is so different from the Boston Tea Party that it's comical to make the association.

The party was organized to protest taxes. The riots were (ostsensibly) spontaneous reaction to the media coverage of a black man being killed by the police.
The peaceful protesters have been overshadowed by the looters, and have asked them to stop. Have said that they're not helping. That they're making things worse.
And they are. Black communities are being destroyed. The media are goading them on for ratings, and there seem to be lots of people taking advantage of the situation to push their own agendas.
Not least the government is using all this as an excuse (warranted, in my opinion) to curtail freedoms.

And the punchline is this will not change anything, except maybe to get us some more security theater like the TSA after 9/11.

You are right, the Tea Party was a bunch of traitors, smugglers and criminals  with no real grievance, just spoilt little rich boys crying.

Since peaceful protest have failed for years to achieve a damn thing, and have been criticised and attacked, in a lot of cases literally attacked by the police with no punishment for the attempted murder, maiming's and mutilations, violence was the only avenue left, some of it is misaimed, that's true, but burning down police stations? Excellent work for that one, burning the enemy out.

First off, I was never going to purchase these dice.  I already have table-top simulator and a friend has pro access to roll20.

Second, I hate this sort of garbage from corporations.  I was already fed up with all the bullshit "we're in this together" crap from COVID.

Third, it smacks of shameless profiteering because they are bandwagoning on a moment.  If they always gave some money from the sales to a particular charity I'd feel less gross about this.

Quote from: Taggie;1132158You are right, the Tea Party was a bunch of traitors, smugglers and criminals  with no real grievance, just spoilt little rich boys crying.

You were the one who brought them up as a comparison to the rioters.

QuoteSince peaceful protest have failed for years to achieve a damn thing, and have been criticised and attacked, in a lot of cases literally attacked by the police with no punishment for the attempted murder, maiming's and mutilations, violence was the only avenue left, some of it is misaimed, that's true, but burning down police stations? Excellent work for that one, burning the enemy out.

Like I said, it's only hurting their own communities. This will be taken as justification that more and harsher police tactics are warranted. And people will demand it out of fear.

These riots are a gift to the racists in America.

Quote from: Ratman_tf;1132161You were the one who brought them up as a comparison to the rioters.



Like I said, it's only hurting their own communities. This will be taken as justification that more and harsher police tactics are warranted. And people will demand it out of fear.

These riots are a gift to the racists in America.

Then what methods would have cleaned out the 15-20% of the police who are violent thugs, and the 60-70% who enable and cover for them?

Quote from: Taggie;1132099This is a Boston Tea Party moment, peaceful protests, that have been going on for years got slammed, attacked, denigrated.  Ok, peaceful protest doesn't work, at all, that's the message that was sent, again and again, is it any wonder that some decide that if peace doesn't achieve anything violence might?

BULLSHIT!  First of all no one was harmed in that dumping of tea.  Secondly the only things that were destroyed was the tea and a padlock.  Thirdly the patroits paid to replace that padlock.

They did not lose their shit and set everything on fire.  They most certainly did not go around and beat people up.  

Last Martin Luther King Jr. would disagree with you entirely.